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[Twhizman]

Why doesn’t Clemson and Baga and Ohio Taint and the other perennial top teams have all these problems infecting their roster every year?

Stop being such a dopey stooge of a mark. If you’re signing the wrong guys it’s on you. If you’re signing the right guys and not leading them strongly it’s also on you. That’s why you’re making $4M per. It’s not a sit back and hope for the best gig at $4M per; it’s a results game.

Those places know how to tell they're diversity officer like strawley whe n to back off.and have the support of the administration our coaches don't have that support.

 

[dk72]

On what needs to change culturally

“It is not a complicated thing,” Reed said. “These kids just have to humble themselves. These kids are doing things—and I know it because I have been places and seen them in places they shouldn’t be—and I tell them go home and they are smiling and laughing and hanging out with their family members or people they grew up with who are telling them that they are [really good] and that is the problem. The problem is the people they are surrounding themselves with are people who are giving them that glory when they haven’t done anything. It is one thing to treat a kid to some food, but to have them in the club and buying bottles? C’mon man. That is not what it is about. It is about being with your teammates and having that accountability. I am not telling you to not have fun because we did have a lot of fun—but we did it together.”

When asked about the tipping point of when the culture went down

“I can be very specific and say it was the 7th Floor Crew stuff,” Reed said. “That was tragic for the university. These kids took what we were doing and took it to a whole other level and blew the school up with that nonsense. Granted, they were kids, but somebody has to hone in and be mature about it.”

a lot of y’all want to harp on coaching coaching coaching.,which is apart of it..but structure and player accountability are more important. He also hit on recruiting at a high level not just instate but finding the National talent.

For everyone who questioned the value of hiring Reed....these words, that attitude, that insight is why he's a good hire regardless of his title.

 

[Mandingo]

On what needs to change culturally

“It is not a complicated thing,” Reed said. “These kids just have to humble themselves. These kids are doing things—and I know it because I have been places and seen them in places they shouldn’t be—and I tell them go home and they are smiling and laughing and hanging out with their family members or people they grew up with who are telling them that they are [really good] and that is the problem. The problem is the people they are surrounding themselves with are people who are giving them that glory when they haven’t done anything. It is one thing to treat a kid to some food, but to have them in the club and buying bottles? C’mon man. That is not what it is about. It is about being with your teammates and having that accountability. I am not telling you to not have fun because we did have a lot of fun—but we did it together.”

When asked about the tipping point of when the culture went down

“I can be very specific and say it was the 7th Floor Crew stuff,” Reed said. “That was tragic for the university. These kids took what we were doing and took it to a whole other level and blew the school up with that nonsense. Granted, they were kids, but somebody has to hone in and be mature about it.”

a lot of y’all want to harp on coaching coaching coaching.,which is apart of it..but structure and player accountability are more important. He also hit on recruiting at a high level not just instate but finding the National talent.

Jimmn

That structure and culture and all that stuff is the coaches’ responsibility. That’s why we harp on coaches so much.

At the end of the day, it’s the HC’s program. He sets the tone. He decides which players come here and which coaches lead them.

If you’re signing the wrong guys it is on you. If you’re letting **** slide it’s on you. It’s a results business. The successful coaches aren’t always crying about culture. They’re signing high character guys and leading them.

Not hard to figure out. Starts and ends with coaching. Everything.

 

[Silver King]

That structure and culture and all that stuff is the coaches’ responsibility. That’s why we harp on coaches so much.

At the end of the day, it’s the HC’s program. He sets the tone. He decides which players come here and which coaches lead them.

If you’re signing the wrong guys it is on you. If you’re letting **** slide it’s on you. It’s a results business. The successful coaches aren’t always crying about culture. They’re signing high character guys and leading them.

Agreed, that ship left a long time ago; Coaches being able to extinguish bad behavior with the kid's Miami recruits.

Recruits are different today than those who were winning NC's. Like I said before those players were hyper-focused as football being a way out for them - a way up the food chain, they didn't feel anybody owed them anything, they were going out to take it.

Because so many had success with that formula (we haven't seen since) from Miami's past, those that come into the program focused on the league, think it will happen for them just by showing up, and don't consider the attitude or work it took. Most simply don't arrive with the proper state of mind. They need to recruit programs with 3-4's around the state who are coachable and hungry. Because the Canes got beat by kids like that by three different teams this season.

But Manny has to set the mark. I bring it up again, that was wrong to bring #4 back, said a lot.

 

[Fightinibis]

That structure and culture and all that stuff is the coaches’ responsibility. That’s why we harp on coaches so much.

At the end of the day, it’s the HC’s program. He sets the tone. He decides which players come here and which coaches lead them.

If you’re signing the wrong guys it is on you. If you’re letting **** slide it’s on you. It’s a results business. The successful coaches aren’t always crying about culture. They’re signing high character guys and leading them.

So true. That said, Ed was always one, as we know, that coaches didn't need to hold accountable. I'm not sure it mattered who the **** coached him as Coker proved ..so not surprising he goes straight to the players and how they hold themselves.

 

[nuprin]

I have one answer for you: Fear

That's what keeps them in line.

Fear of losing their playing time to a kid that wants it more....
Fear of losing their scholarship to a better recruit ….
Fear of the wrath of their teammates ....
Fear of the discipline from disappointing you coaches ...
Fear of losing opportunity ….

How different it would be if that fear permeated the locker room as it did back in the days when the program was elite.

There was Michael Irvin jumping out of bed at 5:30 a.m. to head down to Greentree to run routes because "I was afraid Brett Perriman was going to take my job"

There was Russell Maryland sleeping in front of the fridge to keep Corte Kennedy from eating in the middle of the night because " coach told me it was my job to help him get in shape and he was looking at me and me only"

There was Jimmy Johnson in front of the team and saying, "we have some guys not pulling their weight right now, and I'm going to need your scholarships for new guys next February"

There was Joaquin Gonzalez, Bryant McKinnie, and Jeremy Shockey putting the fear of god in into Vernon Carey threatening to beat the crap out of him because "the motherfu*ker was wasting his talent being a lazy, crying bi*ch"

Yes, I agree with you 'Chise. It's up to the coaches, and it's on them to get the right guys who want to be great. But why the 'Canes of old didn't have the problems we do now? It's because our current coaches haven't created the horizontal and vertical fear that makes the kids scared as **** NOT to be as great as they can be.

make sense?

BOOM you nailed it on the head!

 

[nuprin]

Gilbert Frierson is partying on yachts and clubs all the time per his IG. I see this stuff all over social media. Look, it's one thing to have fun, all college kids need to. But I think fun trumps their winning efforts.

In all fairness...he learned it from Manny lol

 

[nuprin]

this is were player accountability comes in..you have to keep the main thing the main thing. Distractions are everywhere, correct, but when you choose to stay in your home city, and you are that small percent who make it out of the neighborhood to go to the U and put on, you do become a local celeb of sorts. Which is different from a kid from broward going away to Bama for instance. Sure there are distractions in a hick town like Tuscaloosa, but it ain’t The same as south Florida..trust me on that.

I’m only 26. I went to school in Miami. I’ve seen our players during my time in college around the city on Friday nights before games or Saturday nights after a loss..I’ve seen this with my own eyes..and don’t get me wrong it’s nothing wrong with having fun in college..but when your a athlete you need to sacrifice that, especially during the season. It’s safe to say our players haven’t done that enough. And countless legends point to it over and over again so it’s naive to ignore that or try to make it one thing and not the other. It all matters

It was said earlier, but the accountability the past teams had came from FEAR. The players do not fear Manny benching them or kicking them off the team. I get what you're saying about accountability...but at some point there have to be repercussions, maybe not directly from Manny, but he has to set the tone for the entire team.

 

[Mandingo]

LMAO. Dudes are on here really believing that Jimmy Johnson didn’t set the culture - which the kid’s ultimately followed. Butch didn’t? Howard didn’t? The coaches established the culture first - then the leaders amongst the kids led the way.

Kids aren’t establishing parameters for Sagan’s program, Pete Carrol’s program, Swinney’s program, Urban’s program. The coaches created that environment FIRST- then the Lord of Flies took over. I love Ed. But, everything started with the HC - HIS STAFF (feel free to count the number of HCs Jimmy & Butch created), and then it all trickled down to guys like Ed.

Ed said Stoops pulled the leadership out of him. It’s in video. Can’t be denied.

If you guys are expecting these kids to save Manny Diaz you are in for a rude awakening!

 

[Mandingo]

Mark Richt coached at Georgia a long time with never a mention of “bad culture” but he comes to Miami and half the kids he recruited are part of the problem. It’s more than just a head coach laying down rules.

You couldn’t be more wrong. He had constant issues up there....

 

[Liquidstoke]

Agreed, that ship left a long time ago; Coaches being able to extinguish bad behavior with the kid's Miami recruits.

Recruits are different today than those who were winning NC's. Like I said before those players were hyper-focused as football being a way out for them - a way up the food chain, they didn't feel anybody owed them anything, they were going out to take it.

Because so many had success with that formula (we haven't seen since) from Miami's past, those that come into the program focused on the league, think it will happen for them just by showing up, and don't consider the attitude or work it took. Most simply don't arrive with the proper state of mind. They need to recruit programs with 3-4's around the state who are coachable and hungry. Because the Canes got beat by kids like that by three different teams this season.

But Manny has to set the mark. I bring it up again, that was wrong to bring #4 back, said a lot.

Kids will only respect and fear coaches if the team is stacked with talent and they fear losing the starting job...

Miami has to start high school kids to make the 22 man roster for game days...

The road back is recruiting a team stacked with blue chips

 

[Mandingo]

Kids will only respect and fear coaches if the team is stacked with talent and they fear losing the starting job...

Miami has to start high school kids to make the 22 man roster for game days...

The road back is recruiting a team stacked with blue chips

There are more than enough examples to prove that this is wrong.

 

[Otowncane]

Ed will be a big help in mentoring kids on how to be a pro per say. As well as being a great college football player you need to be, the study habits, leadership and everything else that comes with it

One would hope the “ entitled prima dona kids will take to heart what Ed says and not blow it off. He will speak the truth(you’ve done nothing yet- more hard work” )versus handlers and people just feeding the kid nonsense and how good the kid is before they proved ****e.

 

[305to954]

It was said earlier, but the accountability the past teams had came from FEAR. The players do not fear Manny benching them or kicking them off the team. I get what you're saying about accountability...but at some point there have to be repercussions, maybe not directly from Manny, but he has to set the tone for the entire team.

First..u not just kicking players off a team left and right..second that fear comes from stacking chips..understanding your spot can be taking if u slip up, that’s recruiting which Reed hit on. Lastly, your last point is my point. Sometimes I wonder who here has played a sport in college..these coaches do not and cannot hold you’re hand in the offseason, after practice and meetings etc etc. the structure is in place. It’s up to players to use what’s available to them. There’s no excuse for your QB1 go out and break a record vs Louisville then lay a absolute egg vs FIU. That’s not in a coach..

ITS ON PLAYERS TO PUT IN THAT EXTRA WORK. Reed and guys from past like Irvin and Ray have talked about not being accountable to the coach but to the players before them, to the players besides them and those in the trenches with them. That’s who they were accountable to. You **** up and don’t make your time on your 110s it wasn’t Butch or Coker waiting for you in that locker but the leaders from the position groups ready to kick your ***. You miss a “voluntary” workout your answering to the leaders who set up that workout..the tone can be set by the coach. He can have a the past players, or guest speakers come and motivate..he can leave the facilities open 24/7 but it’s up to the players to go sacrifice a night of hanging out and actually taking advantage of it..me myself as a former athlete who didn’t have the god given ability to earn a fullride to A college like Miami with all the tools available for them to max that talent out can’t grasp what motivates them not too. I played D-2 college baseball, I wasn’t all that and clearly not quit good enough for a school like miami out of HS. But when my HS coach left the weight room and Cage open 6:00am in the morning for anyone who chose to take advantage, I was there. And believe me my Team was *** at Deerfield high at the time lmao..my coaches were sus at best, but I made the most out of what I had. I just don’t understand the mentality to not do so..that’s just my opinion

 

[DTP]

You couldn’t be more wrong. He had constant issues up there....

You’re the third person to say that but I still haven’t heard one player who was a problem at UGA.

 

[Calvin]

The coach is responsible for what the kids decide to do in their spare time? After a coach, strength coach has whatever structure in place, and our players are given the avenues in place for these players to get better..but they decide not to take advantage, that’s on the coach?

In the old days, most players felt and knew if they were partying their time away, the old skool coaches knew it and would call em out on it in practices, but also the whole team knew that the hardest workers were going to get rewarded most of the time. When coach diaz started handing out playing time to the quitters and crybabies, that sent and sends a message to the whole team about, what's the point of working hard, when he just gone give guys like transfer tate and transfer threatner transfered jw15 consistent playing time. This why you heard manny talking bout "losing credibility" real quick, cause he knew he did.

The guys who worked out the hardest in their spare time, at some point it starts to show up, the headcoach has to set the culture where guys dont want to let em down, the culture coach diaz started off with is "TNM" translation, let's go and grab the quitters and crybabies, and give them leading roles, what players are going to give it their all for a coach rewarding those type of men. Just go and look at who the team captains were on our successful teams, it never was crybabies or quitters, "TNM" is nothing new, they still loosing like several UM teams we know, better get back to "TOM"!

 

[The Franchise]

Folks around these sites have been hearing me say it for 18 years. We have been signing too many of the wrong guys.

And there is a ‘tipping point’ issue in teams and culture. You can have a few headaches or busts. You have too many and it tips over and blows up the culture, competition, etc.

And yes it’s about Hc decisions. Not stars in recruiting. Who they are. And not sure about saying ‘high character’ guys, just discipled guys who are willing to work. There are disciplined criminals and lazy priests.

Also, to your point, cultures require leadership, consistency values, and reinforcement. You could get all the ingredients right, but if the HC doesn’t lead and reinforce, it won’t work.

That’s why I use the term “football character.” I don’t care about a player’s virtues.

 

[Dghustla]

That structure and culture and all that stuff is the coaches’ responsibility. That’s why we harp on coaches so much.

At the end of the day, it’s the HC’s program. He sets the tone. He decides which players come here and which coaches lead them.

If you’re signing the wrong guys it is on you. If you’re letting **** slide it’s on you. It’s a results business. The successful coaches aren’t always crying about culture. They’re signing high character guys and leading them.

Thanks man!

Cuz some ppl like to pretend that the coach is just a by stander in everything except for practice and game day.

 

[TruCane81]

The 2001 team wanted Coker to be the coach because they handled themselves so well, they just needed someone to not **** it up. Those guys didn’t need baby sitters. But the culture of player accountability left the program after those guys graduated and grandpa clappy couldn’t hold the reins on the next generation of players. It’s up to a staff to create a culture of accountability but it’s up to the players to maintain it. Coaches are limited in the amount of time they can be around the players. They can’t hold their hands 24 hours a day.

Those teams in the 80s and 90s worked hard AND played hard.

Y’all trying to gloss over just how hard those guys partied and hit the town.

The difference is we have had much weaker leadership leading the program and we put too much emphasis on signing choir boys who don’t get in trouble.

This university’s priority is to keep bad press away at all cost and we are no taking the in your face, ultra competitive alpha dogs like we used to.

Having a guy like Ed setting the tone for these young men is a step in the right direction, but if Diaz doesn’t walk the walk it won’t matter at all.

Most kids are not self motivated. They go where circumstances lead them. Some are focused and accountable no matter what. Some are a lost cause no matter what. The vast majority become what the structure makes them and we see in the loss column what our weak *** structure leads our players.

 

[Skip Cane]

You’re the third person to say that but I still haven’t heard one player who was a problem at UGA.

That’s because unlike Miami. It’s not national news when a UGA player gets arrested or in trouble. Trust me I’m a UGA grad living in Atlanta and those UGA teams always had off season problems. Just wasn’t covered Nationally.