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40K is the hurdle. This can happen if the University wants to make it happen. They have the muscle to get it done, do they have the will? Partnering on soccer seems like the best opportunity
 
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45-50k is ideal for all games, including FSU. GTFO with the idea that we have to play FSU at SLS. I simply don't understand why we would want to make the game less exclusive and give FSU a game in a more neutral site.
 
"As long as we can bless that now tainted ground with the blood of Jeffrey Loria first"

This. ROTFLMMFAO!!!!!!!!
 
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McGahee2TheHouse said:
45-50k is ideal for all games, including FSU. GTFO with the idea that we have to play FSU at SLS. I simply don't understand why we would want to make the game less exclusive and give FSU a game in a more neutral site.
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45-50K would be perfect. I would never leave that place ever for a home game.

Another interesting fact is if you restrict supply (45-50K max), then you can actually create a more favorable market (for the school).
 
AUcane said:
sebastian91 said:
http://www.stateoftheu.com/2014/10/25/6942305/why-sun-life-stadium-just-isnt-working-for-miamis-football-program

Interesting.
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How is it interesting? The "article" focuses on a few main points:

- JRS is too far from campus
- UM undergrad population is too small to justify filling a big stadium
- Suggests a possible stadium alternative

lather rinse repeat. This is just a recycled storyline.
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Interesting because the author was suggesting a 20k stadium. I was being nice by calling it 'interesting'.
 
Right now for games other than FSU or UF maybe 1,000 students show up. By halftime there might be 500 left. If you have the stadium closer to school we might get 4,000 - 5,000 students for the non FSU games. On top of that we have about 30,000 season ticket holders. You then have the visitor allotment. You build a 45k seat stadium and you create demand.
 
It sounds so simple. Invest in it now and it will pay off in the future. But no. A huge cavernous, dead stadium that's too far away from the school for any of the students to want to go out there on a Saturday. The school doesn't want it. Period. It could be done if they really wanted to, but they don't. We can talk to the cows come home but no amount of logic or incredible ideas will change anything because UM doesn't want it.
 
Just play at Marlins Park. Its nice. It's indoors and loud.

**** it anything is better than NO LIFe
 
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I've been a UM fan my whole life but I didn't go there. And I acknowledge that a few thousand people doesn't make a huge difference in any one game, but if anyone knows, why is there such low demand from the students? It's my understanding that there are a lot of foreign students who don't care. Okay, I get that, sort of, but why not? Any student coming in as a freshman should be "indoctrinated" into UM football and thereby become a lifelong fan, attender of games, buyer of tickets and clothes and overall supporter. Go to an SEC game. You think all those girls screaming for their team know much about football? They don't. They're just blind cheering. They know a good thing happened (a TD), but they generally don't know the intricacies of what happened. Why doesn't that happen with 6,000-8,000 students, instead of 1,000-2,000 (or whatever the numbers are)?

I also think UM should be giving or selling for $4 (or some other tiny amount) tickets to local high schools and junior high schools, through those schools athletic departments and coaches, and coordinating efforts to build the loyalty to the brand locally. When they're 16, 17 and 18, and are good players, they feel a special bond to UM and want to go there, and play at home in front of the crowd they grew up watching games with, rather than going to huge, full stadiums in the SEC. I don't know the finances, but the school has to be taking a huge hit because of the crappy crowds, so the $4 tickets doesn't matter. I'd go a step further.....free shuttles to and and from the games for these programs. It will take time, but over say 10 years, you've built up the love and loyalty for staying home like we had in the 80s. It's an investment for the 2020s more than anything, and it puts butts in seats today, which the stadium desperately needs.
 
Students on the fence about going to the games anyway will factor in sitting on a bus for over an hour, then being one of only a few thousand in a cavernous NFL stadium, then paying ridiculous money for beer and food, then spending over another hour on the bus to get home...

That's why they don't go.

All of those high school kids you're talking about are great, but they don't buy beer. Your plan for cultivating future fans is also great, but it'll never happen in a gazillion years. It would require forward thinking and planning, which society no longer supports. If you can't deliver something useful now, you're not needed.
 
sebastian91 said:
Students on the fence about going to the games anyway will factor in sitting on a bus for over an hour, then being one of only a few thousand in a cavernous NFL stadium, then paying ridiculous money for beer and food, then spending over another hour on the bus to get home...

That's why they don't go.

All of those high school kids you're talking about are great, but they don't buy beer. Your plan for cultivating future fans is also great, but it'll never happen in a gazillion years. It would require forward thinking and planning, which society no longer supports. If you can't deliver something useful now, you're not needed.
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When I was a student (03-06), it was pretty darn easy to get to games. Nobody thought twice.

NOW: I am sure students considering going to a noon game; take into consideration the hangover and travel to No Life before they commit.

Isn't it as simple as analyzing the impact the BUC had on student attendance.

The part in BOLD, don't expect this from anyone in the ADMIN.
 
I think we would definitely be able to do something like FIU did, their stadium cost about 54 Million to build, supposedly UM has already raised over 100 Million towards athletics. I'm pretty sure booster and donors would easily put money forward if it meant building a new stadium closer to campus (Tropical Park preferably), we can start with something small and just expand until we're at the capacity we feel is necessary.
 
UM won't build a stadium for 6 games a year... our best hope is to partner with the soccer team, and hope they build a 45- 50k seat stadium..

Not to mention we're in long *** term lease with SLS, which at least is getting renovations.
 
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Here are the numbers folks in regards to the students:

Compare this:
http://www.miami.edu/index.php/about_us/fast_facts/student_enrollment_fall_2013/

To something like this:
http://www.forbes.com/colleges/florida-state-university/

Heres a key stat, the % of students from Other U.S. States & Territories and International students is 71% of incoming Freshman, 60% of undergrads, and 54% of grad students. a small % is even from Miami, let alone could give a **** about Miami. Bunch of northeast khaki and mandle wearing ***s, and a **** ton of foreigners.

Students have never been the ones who fill up the stadium where ever it is miami plays. The die hards will always go to the games. To get sell outs and big crowds, especially in miami its about getting the casual fans to the games. Whats the easiest way to do that??

Just WIN baby, especially in this age with all kinds of **** to keep people busy in a city like miami. You have to win and put a good product on the field. Not to mention scheduling. Have us play FAMU at noon on a ******* brutally hot saturday, no one comes no matter how good you are.

I'd love a smaller stadium closer to the school, but the lack of attendance aint about the students I can tell u that. The numbers don't support it.
 
DaU83 said:
UM won't build a stadium for 6 games a year... our best hope is to partner with the soccer team, and hope they build a 45- 50k seat stadium..

Not to mention we're in long *** term lease with SLS, which at least is getting renovations.
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Can we stop with this argument already?

You can use it for more than 6 days a year. Do we use the BUC for only home basketball games?

Also, please let me know the buyout or any pertinent details?
 
paksat said:
We the Boss said:
SpikeUM said:
I dont see us ever moving from sun life. We have a long term lease agreement, and Ross is spending hundreds of millions of his own money to upgrade the stadium. He is not going to give up our rental income.
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Bingo. We will be there for a while. Win games and it will be less empty. Have another decade of fail and we all know the results.
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this is truth

if canes were number 1 and undefeated the stadium wouldn't be empty

winning solves all problems
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Winning would certainly help.

However schools like FSU with 32,000 undergraduates (41,000 total enrollment) in towns like Tallahassee where thisnt as much competition for the entertatinment dollar will always have an advantage.

Facts are;
a) Sun Life is too big for Miami's enrollment size
b) Its too far from campus; schools busses are no equivalent to walking from your dorm/frat
c) Sun life has no charachter, history like other schools ie "Death Valley" etc...
d) Playing day games in the hot sun with no shade is a deterrent (Play better and you get more night games)
e) Miami's alumni have a big national footprint vs local schools; they dont all live close by

All that being said....play some good ball vs a tough scehdule and all those issues become less obvious
 
Hopefully the raising of $100 million was done with the idea building of a stadium or joining Beckham's group and helping pay for the extra 20k seats that we need. A stadium can happen, we just need proactive admins. Hopefully the next president is more serious about having a stadium and more serious about sports in general.
 
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