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OrangeBowlMagic said:
My biggest thing is pocket awareness. And actually, it's my #2 attribute for a successful QB, right behind accuracy. It cannot be taught. But Cam was ELITE in feeling a rush, feeling a pressure, anticipating and being able to escape. Beck has frankly been bad for his career in this aspect. It's what I feel is the biggest difference at this point between the two. I think Beck has comparable athleticism and arm strength. And accuracy, actually. As far as pure physical talent, I genuinely believe Beck is just as good as Cam. The difference, and it is vast, is the understanding of the game and more specifically the feel of the game. When Cam is pressured, he shines. When Beck is pressured, he folds. He drops his eyes, he is not a natural evader of the rush....he just doesn't have that elite pocket presence that the true greats do. And IMO that's why you saw his performance suffer last year. Yes, the receivers didn't help, but it wasn't losing Bowers and McConkey. It was the protection and him having too much on his shoulders. He doesn't excel on 3rd and 12 when the defense is bringing exotic pressures. He's more of an on-time player. But this doesn't mean he can't/won't shine here. I think he's going to be excellent for us, because we're going to protect the **** out of him, and we're going to be able to keep him ahead of the sticks.

When he has a clean pocket, he is as elite as it gets in throwing an on-target ball.
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Beck had a P2S rate last year of 17.1%, which is kinda middle of the road to a little below average (Cam had 16.9% last year). In 2023 he had a P2S ratio of like 12.2% I believe, which would be very good. So I don't even think his sack% under pressure is the issue. It's more his turnover worthy play rate under pressure I believe is very high.

I've been saying a while now Becks performance under pressure will be the key to this season for him and us.
 
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Calinative said:
Beck had a P2S rate last year of 17.1%, which is kinda middle of the road to a little below average (Cam had 16.9% last year). In 2023 he had a P2S ratio of like 12.2% I believe, which would be very good. So I don't even think his sack% under pressure is the issue. It's more his turnover worthy play rate under pressure I believe is very high.

I've been saying a while now Becks performance under pressure will be the key to this season for him and us.
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His on target throw % is one of the highest of any draftable QB in several seasons. On a short list with Burrow, those types of throwers.

If we can keep him clean, and I think we will, he’s going to dot our receivers. Can they catch? It’s such a simple part of the game, yet insanely underrated. I don’t care how high a kid can jump in his underwear (large pause). Can he catch the football when it’s near him? All our WRs were SO good in this area last year. Insanely good. Especially when you compare it to what we saw in Mario’s first year. I’m pretty confident in Beck having plenty of time to throw from a clean pocket. I’m pretty confident in him delivering accurate throws in those situations. I’m actually pretty confident in these pass catchers creating separation combined with Dawson scheming them up that way. Can they catch the ball, **** near every time?

If they can, we’re going to be real good on offense again.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
His on target throw % is one of the highest of any draftable QB in several seasons. On a short list with Burrow, those types of throwers.

If we can keep him clean, and I think we will, he’s going to dot our receivers. Can they catch? It’s such a simple part of the game, yet insanely underrated. I don’t care how high a kid can jump in his underwear (large pause). Can he catch the football when it’s near him? All our WRs were SO good in this area last year. Insanely good. Especially when you compare it to what we saw in Mario’s first year. I’m pretty confident in Beck having plenty of time to throw from a clean pocket. I’m pretty confident in him delivering accurate throws in those situations. I’m actually pretty confident in these pass catchers creating separation combined with Dawson scheming them up that way. Can they catch the ball, **** near every time?

If they can, we’re going to be real good on offense again.
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The ability to catch everything is what’s exciting about transfer Tony Johnson, he has 108 career catches and only 3 drops. Seems like a reliable target, who will benefit from playing in this system.
 
Hstokes1447 said:
The ability to catch everything is what’s exciting about transfer Tony Johnson, he has 108 career catches and only 3 drops. Seems like a reliable target, who will benefit from playing in this systez
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Seeing some of Cincinnati Games .
Tony Johnson is small ,He is Shifty ,Can accelerate hit 4.5 speed in a hurry.
He has Some Juice , does bring more speed Than Restrepo.
*Makes himself avaliable to the QB convert 1st downs.
* Most of his Catches are 8 -12yd First down catches on third down.

He was never featured as third receiver
Their WR1 Xavier Henderson & another guy
But
He is a guy that if given more throws can give you 700+ 8-10 TD /Very Crafty in the Redzone with some ball Skillz.

I would take 700+ & 8-10 TD
From Tony Johnson & bringing Veteran Savvy To the Slot is very Underrated Move .

We may have two Legit Slot with Malachai Toney/TonY Johnson to share the position. Unless # 5 shocks the world.
 
Juanmanuel V said:
Seeing some of Cincinnati Games .
Tony Johnson is small ,He is Shifty ,Can accelerate hit 4.5 speed in a hurry.
He has Some Juice , does bring more speed Than Restrepo.
*Makes himself avaliable to the QB convert 1st downs.
* Most of his Catches are 8 -12yd First down catches on third down.

He was never featured as third receiver
Their WR1 Xavier Henderson & another guy
But
He is a guy that if given more throws can give you 700+ 8-10 TD /Very Crafty in the Redzone with some ball Skillz.

I would take 700+ & 8-10 TD
From Tony Johnson & bringing Veteran Savvy To the Slot is very Underrated Move .

We may have two Legit Slot with Malachai Toney/TonY Johnson to share the position. Unless # 5 shocks the world.
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Can this receiver group match or exceed the production of 2024 receiver group?

*Xavier Restrepo 69 receptions, 1.127 yards, & 11 TD’s*

Can the Tonys (Tony Johnson & Malachi Toney) match or exceed these numbers? This is one area I can see a drop off but I don’t expect a big drop off. I can see Tony Johnson putting up 600-700 and Malachi going for 300+. Word on Johnson is he is sure handed, really good rout runner, who consistently beats man coverage, while running a sub 4.5 in the 40. That ability in this slot heavy system will give me all of the chances in the world to put up great numbers.

*Jacolby George 53 receptions, 752 yards, & 8 TD’s*

I think JoJo Trader can exceed these numbers, he is more talented than George and given the same opportunities I believe JoJo has the ability to be better. At worst he matches this production.

*Isaiah Horton 56 receptions, 616 yards, & 5 TD’s*

CJ Daniels should be able to exceed these numbers. He is a great 50/50 ball guy and Carson loves to throw the 50/50 ball

*Sam Brown 36 receptions, 509 yards, & 2 TD’s*

Keelan Marion has the skill set to exceed these numbers but will he have the opportunities?

*Elijah Arroyo 35 receptions, 590 yards, & 7 TD’s*

I think Elija Lofton will exceed these numbers, simply because he will have more targets I fully expect to see him in the 50 catch range.
 
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Hstokes1447 said:
Can this receiver group match or exceed the production of 2024 receiver group?

*Xavier Restrepo 69 receptions, 1.127 yards, & 11 TD’s*

Can the Tonys (Tony Johnson & Malachi Toney) match or exceed these numbers? This is one area I can see a drop off but I don’t expect a big drop off. I can see Tony Johnson putting up 600-700 and Malachi going for 300+. Word on Johnson is he is sure handed, really good rout runner, who consistently beats man coverage, while running a sub 4.5 in the 40. That ability in this slot heavy system will give me all of the chances in the world to put up great numbers.

*Jacolby George 53 receptions, 752 yards, & 8 TD’s*

I think JoJo Trader can exceed these numbers, he is more talented than George and given the same opportunities I believe JoJo has the ability to be better. At worst he matches this production.

*Isaiah Horton 56 receptions, 616 yards, & 5 TD’s*

CJ Daniels should be able to exceed these numbers. He is a great 50/50 ball guy and Carson loves to throw the 50/50 ball

*Sam Brown 36 receptions, 509 yards, & 2 TD’s*

Keelan Marion has the skill set to exceed these numbers but will he have the opportunities?

*Elijah Arroyo 35 receptions, 590 yards, & 7 TD’s*

I think Elija Lofton will exceed these numbers, simply because he will have more targets I fully expect to see him in the 50 catch range.
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Think the Slot Position will Produce 1000 + yd between Toney/ Johnson /Ray -Ray
The Slot is to important In Dawson offense & Beck loves his Slot Receivers.
 
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Hstokes1447 said:
Can this receiver group match or exceed the production of 2024 receiver group?

*Xavier Restrepo 69 receptions, 1.127 yards, & 11 TD’s*

Can the Tonys (Tony Johnson & Malachi Toney) match or exceed these numbers? This is one area I can see a drop off but I don’t expect a big drop off. I can see Tony Johnson putting up 600-700 and Malachi going for 300+. Word on Johnson is he is sure handed, really good rout runner, who consistently beats man coverage, while running a sub 4.5 in the 40. That ability in this slot heavy system will give me all of the chances in the world to put up great numbers.

*Jacolby George 53 receptions, 752 yards, & 8 TD’s*

I think JoJo Trader can exceed these numbers, he is more talented than George and given the same opportunities I believe JoJo has the ability to be better. At worst he matches this production.

*Isaiah Horton 56 receptions, 616 yards, & 5 TD’s*

CJ Daniels should be able to exceed these numbers. He is a great 50/50 ball guy and Carson loves to throw the 50/50 ball

*Sam Brown 36 receptions, 509 yards, & 2 TD’s*

Keelan Marion has the skill set to exceed these numbers but will he have the opportunities?

*Elijah Arroyo 35 receptions, 590 yards, & 7 TD’s*

I think Elija Lofton will exceed these numbers, simply because he will have more targets I fully expect to see him in the 50 catch range.
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don’t see us with 5 WRs over 500 yards
 
Hstokes1447 said:
Can this receiver group match or exceed the production of 2024 receiver group?

*Xavier Restrepo 69 receptions, 1.127 yards, & 11 TD’s*

Can the Tonys (Tony Johnson & Malachi Toney) match or exceed these numbers? This is one area I can see a drop off but I don’t expect a big drop off. I can see Tony Johnson putting up 600-700 and Malachi going for 300+. Word on Johnson is he is sure handed, really good rout runner, who consistently beats man coverage, while running a sub 4.5 in the 40. That ability in this slot heavy system will give me all of the chances in the world to put up great numbers.

*Jacolby George 53 receptions, 752 yards, & 8 TD’s*

I think JoJo Trader can exceed these numbers, he is more talented than George and given the same opportunities I believe JoJo has the ability to be better. At worst he matches this production.

*Isaiah Horton 56 receptions, 616 yards, & 5 TD’s*

CJ Daniels should be able to exceed these numbers. He is a great 50/50 ball guy and Carson loves to throw the 50/50 ball

*Sam Brown 36 receptions, 509 yards, & 2 TD’s*

Keelan Marion has the skill set to exceed these numbers but will he have the opportunities?

*Elijah Arroyo 35 receptions, 590 yards, & 7 TD’s*

I think Elija Lofton will exceed these numbers, simply because he will have more targets I fully expect to see him in the 50 catch range.
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It was the most prolific offense in the history of the school. I would lean heavy on the no.

Cam averaged 331 passing yards per game last season, and one of those games he untied his cleats at halftime. We're not getting that this year, but the good part is we don't need it to be very good on offense and very good as a team (Hello, Coach Heatherman?)

Beck's 2023 season....I would sign up for that this year IN A HEARTBEAT.

280.5 yards per game, 72.8% completions (2nd best in America), 9.4 YPA (7th), 23 TDs and 6 picks. This is in 13 games against FBS teams.

Give me that, and this offense is going to ******* cook.

One thing to add to this, the narrative that exists a little bit on this board and much prevalently nationally that Beck has no talent and 2023 was just a byproduct of throwing to Jerry Rice and Travis Kelce (oops, I mean Ladd McConkey and Brock Bowers) is beyond ******* braindead.

First of all, you don't complete 72.8% of your throws at the 9th best average per attempt in America without being a very talented passer.

Here are all the players in the past 3 seasons who were top 10 nationally in both YPA and completion percentage in a season:

Hendon Hooker, 2022
Stetson Bennett, 2022
Grayson McCall, 2022
Bo Nix, 2022
Jayden Daniels, 2023
Bo Nix, 2023
Dillon Gabriel, 2023
Carson Beck, 2023
JJ McCarthy, 2023
Jaxon Dart, 2024
Cam Ward, 2024
Will Howard, 2024
Dillon Gabriel, 2024


Whole lotta really good players leading really good teams and NFL draft picks on that list.

And secondly, Bowers and McConkey only played 4 combined games together in 2023. They were both hurt and in and out of the lineup all season. The constant in that offense was how good Carson Beck was, period.
 
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Juanmanuel V said:
Seeing some of Cincinnati Games .
Tony Johnson is small ,He is Shifty ,Can accelerate hit 4.5 speed in a hurry.
He has Some Juice , does bring more speed Than Restrepo.
*Makes himself avaliable to the QB convert 1st downs.
* Most of his Catches are 8 -12yd First down catches on third down.

He was never featured as third receiver
Their WR1 Xavier Henderson & another guy
But
He is a guy that if given more throws can give you 700+ 8-10 TD /Very Crafty in the Redzone with some ball Skillz.

I would take 700+ & 8-10 TD
From Tony Johnson & bringing Veteran Savvy To the Slot is very Underrated Move .

We may have two Legit Slot with Malachai Toney/TonY Johnson to share the position. Unless # 5 shocks the world.
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It would be better if #35 shocked the world....
 
Hstokes1447 said:
Can this receiver group match or exceed the production of 2024 receiver group?

*Xavier Restrepo 69 receptions, 1.127 yards, & 11 TD’s*

Can the Tonys (Tony Johnson & Malachi Toney) match or exceed these numbers? This is one area I can see a drop off but I don’t expect a big drop off. I can see Tony Johnson putting up 600-700 and Malachi going for 300+. Word on Johnson is he is sure handed, really good rout runner, who consistently beats man coverage, while running a sub 4.5 in the 40. That ability in this slot heavy system will give me all of the chances in the world to put up great numbers.

*Jacolby George 53 receptions, 752 yards, & 8 TD’s*

I think JoJo Trader can exceed these numbers, he is more talented than George and given the same opportunities I believe JoJo has the ability to be better. At worst he matches this production.

*Isaiah Horton 56 receptions, 616 yards, & 5 TD’s*

CJ Daniels should be able to exceed these numbers. He is a great 50/50 ball guy and Carson loves to throw the 50/50 ball

*Sam Brown 36 receptions, 509 yards, & 2 TD’s*

Keelan Marion has the skill set to exceed these numbers but will he have the opportunities?

*Elijah Arroyo 35 receptions, 590 yards, & 7 TD’s*

I think Elija Lofton will exceed these numbers, simply because he will have more targets I fully expect to see him in the 50 catch range.
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I don't think we have a Restrepo or Arroyo on the roster right now. Plenty of George, Horton, and Brown types though.
 
Hstokes1447 said:
Can this receiver group match or exceed the production of 2024 receiver group?

*Xavier Restrepo 69 receptions, 1.127 yards, & 11 TD’s*

Can the Tonys (Tony Johnson & Malachi Toney) match or exceed these numbers? This is one area I can see a drop off but I don’t expect a big drop off. I can see Tony Johnson putting up 600-700 and Malachi going for 300+. Word on Johnson is he is sure handed, really good rout runner, who consistently beats man coverage, while running a sub 4.5 in the 40. That ability in this slot heavy system will give me all of the chances in the world to put up great numbers.

*Jacolby George 53 receptions, 752 yards, & 8 TD’s*

I think JoJo Trader can exceed these numbers, he is more talented than George and given the same opportunities I believe JoJo has the ability to be better. At worst he matches this production.

*Isaiah Horton 56 receptions, 616 yards, & 5 TD’s*

CJ Daniels should be able to exceed these numbers. He is a great 50/50 ball guy and Carson loves to throw the 50/50 ball

*Sam Brown 36 receptions, 509 yards, & 2 TD’s*

Keelan Marion has the skill set to exceed these numbers but will he have the opportunities?

*Elijah Arroyo 35 receptions, 590 yards, & 7 TD’s*

I think Elija Lofton will exceed these numbers, simply because he will have more targets I fully expect to see him in the 50 catch range.
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My only gripe, is your talking numbers. So your expecting to match or exceed last years numbers. Which we all can agree, that means Beck exceeds Wards production which is unlikely.

But, that’s not a bad thing. It’s truly a tall tall task to go back to back years as the number one offense. We scored 44 a game and avg 530 yards a game. If we score 34 a game and avg 450 a game, is that a failure? I’d argue not, that’s Clemson/Tenn/Texas range.

I think the offense needs to be more balanced and run more. Our offense was almost too good last year that it kept putting the defense out there and they were not up to par.

With all that said, our WR has the potential, POTENTIAL, to be a good unit. Do I think Daniels/JoJo can exceed George/Horton production. Yes. Do they need to, not necessarily. We need that group to be reliable and productive. If they were like last years unit, and we run the ball effectively, we will be just fine.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
One thing to add to this, the narrative that exists a little bit on this board and much prevalently nationally that Beck has no talent and 2023 was just a byproduct of throwing to Jerry Rice and Travis Kelce (oops, I mean Ladd McConkey and Brock Bowers) is beyond ******* braindead.

First of all, you don't complete 72.8% of your throws at the 9th best average per attempt in America without being a very talented passer.

Here are all the players in the past 3 seasons who were top 10 nationally in both YPA and completion percentage in a season:

Hendon Hooker, 2022
Stetson Bennett, 2022
Grayson McCall, 2022
Bo Nix, 2022
Jayden Daniels, 2023
Bo Nix, 2023
Dillon Gabriel, 2023
Carson Beck, 2023
JJ McCarthy, 2023
Jaxon Dart, 2024
Cam Ward, 2024
Will Howard, 2024
Dillon Gabriel, 2024


Whole lotta really good players leading really good teams and NFL draft picks on that list.

And secondly, Bowers and McConkey only played 4 combined games together in 2023. They were both hurt and in and out of the lineup all season. The constant in that offense was how good Carson Beck was, period.
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This is exactly what has me thinking the passing production of 2024 can be duplicated. Beck is one of the most accurate QBs in CFB history when throwing from a clean pocket, so putting him behind this offensive line almost guarantees having an extremely accurate Beck this season. Then you add in the design of this offensive system and how it schemes wide receivers open. These receivers, just need to catch accurate passes. Then when you add in the athletic upgrade you have with this group of receivers, these guys will have every opportunity in the world to make some really big plays this season.
 
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Hstokes1447 said:
This is exactly what has me thinking the passing production of 2024 can be duplicated. Beck is one of the most accurate QBs in CFB history when throwing from a clean pocket, so putting him behind this offensive line almost guarantees having an extremely accurate Beck this season. Then you add in the design of this offensive system and how it schemes wide receivers open. These receivers, just need to catch accurate passes. Then when you add in the athletic upgrade you have with this group of receivers, these guys will have every opportunity in the world to make some really big plays this season.
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Perfectly said.

If the kids can separate, they're going to have opportunity after opportunity to make plays.
 
Beck has been spending a lot of time with Mirabal , understanding protections etc. it’s been said by numerous people that he has a very high football IQ

I wouldn’t sell him short on making audibles at the LOS. Who knows if he had that freedom at UGA- he’ll likely have it at Miami for sure.

Like Cam, it’s Beck’s shot to prove he can go in to a new locker room and lead a team. He knows he has protection this year- I expect him to go all out. The real question is how will he get the best out of the skill guys around him. Cam was so good at that.

Imagine being in his shoes- just a year ago he was the favorite to go first in the draft. Now he walks into the team the actual #1 pick just left.
 
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