Former FSU player shot, caught on camera.

Prohibition literally created machine gun violence in America. Both the alcohol and narcotics. You conveniently ignored all that to go straight to right wing propaganda.

Black people don’t own anything to be able to promote anything. The race to the bottom is a direct effect created by prohibition psychology.

If they doubled down on the alcohol prohibition, the white community would have had the exact same race to the bottom.

Thomas Sowell is a jack *** partisan that likes to ignore the entire story. He is filled with self hatred and is always attempting to make distinctions between his class of black 10%ers and “those” negroes. He tries to minimize the effect of what America does to prop his kind up as “special”. They are to a certain extent.

The vast majority of those who fall for the propaganda of partisan politics don’t have the big picture critical thinking skills to speak intelligently on these subjects.

You don’t know or understand what institutional racism really is. Whether that ignorance is authentic or feigned is inconsequential.

There are many pieces to this puzzle. Personal responsibility is only one with limited application. You don’t want to go back and forth, so I won’t bother explaining to you why that is. If you want to know, I will take the time to explain it to you later.
All i can say is that i hope moderates remain the majority in this country.

Right wing propoganda huh? I will let u know Ive NEVER voted Republican in my life. I even voted for those 2 phonies Gilum and Clinton. But once you see that Gilum is a meth addict and almost won the state by calling Desantis a racist and that Clinton's mentor was Saul Alinsky you realize what these ppl will do to capture power.
 
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White people used to shoot up American cities with tommy guns to control vice trades. You don’t see that much any more (mass shootings are much less frequent and not really the same thing).

What changed? How come that hardened, “cancerous” criminal element got cleaned up, but it can’t be when black people do it?

The reason is this nation refuses to do for black children what it did for white children.

Alcohol Prohibition created mass white gun violence. They turned their sons into gangsters and their daughters into whores. The violence and corruption got so bad that even the staunchest teetotaler realized prohibition was much, much worse than regulation and they got rid of it to save their children.

No dice for black kids though. All they get is propaganda and profiteer prisons.

It isn’t just a race thing though because they just offered up the white youth to the carnage of opiate addiction and use prison to deal with what is essentially a medical problem.

Private prison profits, gun sales, political control. There are many reasons we refuse to end the madness and save our children. All those reasons are dressed in phony altruism. The alcohol prohibition showed us how destructive and futile the narcotics prohibition would be, but the indoctrinated who lack critical thinking skills still fall for the propaganda and the violence and death persist.

Let’s not pretend that there is no hope. White people did it for their community. Why not for ours?


...You think the whites were the only ones shooting up the streets during Prohibition?

What changed was ending Prohibition.

But I will quote Malcolm X in my answer: "The only way to end ignorance is through education."

Look at inner city schools, inner city school violence, and inner city literacy rates.

THAT is where the government has truly failed. And I try to tell young guys coming out of school: learn a trade.

Spend a couple of years in a good trade and you can pay for your education with CASH.
 
...You think the whites were the only ones shooting up the streets during Prohibition?

What changed was ending Prohibition.

But I will quote Malcolm X in my answer: "The only way to end ignorance is through education."

Look at inner city schools, inner city school violence, and inner city literacy rates.

THAT is where the government has truly failed. And I try to tell young guys coming out of school: learn a trade.

Spend a couple of years in a good trade and you can pay for your education with CASH.

No. The point was that violence with automatic weapons in the street is fueled by prohibition. The daily territorial violence. Not like the rare random mass shooters of today. That type of wide spread street violence in the white community started and ended with prohibition.

What you say about education is true, but like most people looking for solutions to these problems, you are missing the big picture.

This is no insult to your character or intelligence. I believe your intentions with this sentiment are pure and authentic. But it leaves out huge pieces of the puzzle.

The question is WHY do so many black people, especially young black men, not value education?

This is where it starts to get more complicated and people can’t see the whole thing.

I will use my family as an example. There are issues at play almost exclusively due to racism blacks have faced in America. However there are other issues that effect the white community as well, but not with the same magnitude.

My grandparents and older aunts and uncles. came of age in the golden age of post World War 2 America. Some people value education differently as natural default without outside influence. As blacks in the south they didn’t have the same resources and opportunities, but they worked hard.

They picked fruit or did the hardest, most dangerous jobs in the mines and used the money to get affordable college educations. As the Civil Rights movement progressed, their opportunities expanded. My family was not unique. A LARGE portion of SOUTHERN blacks were doing this.

Their incomes rose and their children did not have to work to support the family. So they didn’t have the same work ethic. They were still working good jobs, but some got caught up in the party culture of the 70s.

The 70 s were a turning point because drug importation began to explode and admiration for the drug dealer lifestyle began to spread.

Economic down turns and outsourcing hurt many cities and many people turned to street life to survive. Projects were built. Welfare checks were handed out. Jobs were hard to get. Nothing to do but get high or drunk. Many fell through the cracks. The people who were fortunate and/or persevered succeeded.

The 80s came. So did crack. The community COMPLETELY IMPLODED. It caught people by surprise. Coke and weed weren’t that big a deal. These little white flakes were harmless. THEY COULD NOT HAVE BEEN MORE WRONG. Look at the difference between the way a powder head looks and the way a crack head looks and it tells you all you need to know.

Good, hard working people got addicted and turned to unrecognizable creatures. The sellers made a FORTUNE and turned the sexual marketplace and stays competition completely upside down. Cities turned to war zones with factions fighting for territory or addicts robbing for their next hit.

The children who grew up witnessing this catastrophe had ZERO chance to see the world the same way their parents and grandparents did.

Economic policy and the life style created by lucrative drug dealing created a large portion of the population who could not see the value of hard work because it didn’t match anything they saw in real life.

There are innumerable accounts of how the U.S. government’s resources were used to import and distribute drugs. This occurrence was no accident. It was known the effect that importing massive amounts of addictive drugs and making them illegal would have. It was down derail the astronomical progress black people were making after the 60s Civil Rights Movement.

The real legacy of racism and prohibition is the destruction of mind and spirit. People are so psychologically and emotionally destroyed they can’t even imagine desiring something better, let alone actually getting on the road of hard work to do it.

That was the goal the plan had in mind and it was executed to perfection. Yes some people can ignore the blight. Yes some people can stay focused and overcome. But many can’t and don’t.

Any leader with the foresight to see what was taking place was murdered. Strike the shepherd, scatter the sheep. It’s the 10-80-10 rule, but people pretend it doesn’t apply to the black community.

They spout off all the right wing rhetoric which is partially true in a vacuum. But life doesn’t occur in a vacuum. Everything effects everything else. This is a brief description of the recent problems in the black community. Haven’t even gotten to how slavery and Jim Crow etc, tie into all of this. It would take a series of long books to describe it( though that is what you might call this ridiculously long post lol).

Your advice to people to get a trade is VERY GOOD ADVICE. **** it is great advice. But when you look at the bigger picture that I haven’t really touched even the tip of the iceberg on(volumes upon volumes have been written on these things in much, much greater detail), you see how that advice is so ineffective to the larger problem, though it can have a profound affect on the individual that is able to receive and act on it.
 
There are literally years and piles of statistics showing that everytime you lower the police force in an area crime rises...but yes its just talking points. Holy ****...I would've thought you would actually look at some facts instead of being ruled by emotion on a topic that requires a bit of education.
Please tell me you're not questioning his education......
 
People are scared to commit crimes in China unless you are rich or politically connected. Lots of corruption. They don't mess around with with criminals. You are guilty until proven innocent for the most part and punishment is real. Forget your human rights, you lose it the moment you are deemed a criminal. Prison system is not a joke and they will kill you for drug trafficking or attempted murder. Criminal life is not glorified and frowned upon by everyone including the entertainment/media. Your family will disown you for bringing shame to the family. Has nothing to do with poverty, the poor in China have far less than the homeless here but don't use it as an excuse to commit crimes. Accountability is what is lacking in this country. On all levels, from government to individuals. Until our main stream culture changes it will only get worse.
Lock this entire thread....
 
Until someone can logically explain to me why (until 2010) Federal sentencing guidelines required 100 times more power cocaine than crack cocaine for the same 5/10/20 mandatory minimums to apply, for what is essentially the same drug (with the exception that powder cocaine use has historically been more prevalent among affluent white people as compared to crack cocaine), and why there is still an 18:1 weight disparity to trigger those federal sentencing requirements following the Fair Sentencing Act, I won't be swayed. Sentencing of drug-related crimes is targeted among certain demographics in our society.

free·base
noun
cocaine that has been converted from its salt to its base form by heating with ether or boiling with sodium bicarbonate.

Crack, the most potent form in which cocaine appears, is also the riskiest. It is between 75% and 100% pure, far stronger and more potent than regular cocaine.

It's not racism. It's chemistry.

10 pounds of crack is orders of magnitude more potent and dangerous than 10 pounds of powdered coke, because street powder is actually only 10% cocaine and 90% other ****.

Is that logical enough for you?
 
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No. The point was that violence with automatic weapons in the street is fueled by prohibition. The daily territorial violence. Not like the rare random mass shooters of today. That type of wide spread street violence in the white community started and ended with prohibition.

What you say about education is true, but like most people looking for solutions to these problems, you are missing the big picture.

This is no insult to your character or intelligence. I believe your intentions with this sentiment are pure and authentic. But it leaves out huge pieces of the puzzle.

The question is WHY do so many black people, especially young black men, not value education?

This is where it starts to get more complicated and people can’t see the whole thing.

I will use my family as an example. There are issues at play almost exclusively due to racism blacks have faced in America. However there are other issues that effect the white community as well, but not with the same magnitude.

My grandparents and older aunts and uncles. came of age in the golden age of post World War 2 America. Some people value education differently as natural default without outside influence. As blacks in the south they didn’t have the same resources and opportunities, but they worked hard.

They picked fruit or did the hardest, most dangerous jobs in the mines and used the money to get affordable college educations. As the Civil Rights movement progressed, their opportunities expanded. My family was not unique. A LARGE portion of SOUTHERN blacks were doing this.

Their incomes rose and their children did not have to work to support the family. So they didn’t have the same work ethic. They were still working good jobs, but some got caught up in the party culture of the 70s.

The 70 s were a turning point because drug importation began to explode and admiration for the drug dealer lifestyle began to spread.

Economic down turns and outsourcing hurt many cities and many people turned to street life to survive. Projects were built. Welfare checks were handed out. Jobs were hard to get. Nothing to do but get high or drunk. Many fell through the cracks. The people who were fortunate and/or persevered succeeded.

The 80s came. So did crack. The community COMPLETELY IMPLODED. It caught people by surprise. Coke and weed weren’t that big a deal. These little white flakes were harmless. THEY COULD NOT HAVE BEEN MORE WRONG. Look at the difference between the way a powder head looks and the way a crack head looks and it tells you all you need to know.

Good, hard working people got addicted and turned to unrecognizable creatures. The sellers made a FORTUNE and turned the sexual marketplace and stays competition completely upside down. Cities turned to war zones with factions fighting for territory or addicts robbing for their next hit.

The children who grew up witnessing this catastrophe had ZERO chance to see the world the same way their parents and grandparents did.

Economic policy and the life style created by lucrative drug dealing created a large portion of the population who could not see the value of hard work because it didn’t match anything they saw in real life.

There are innumerable accounts of how the U.S. government’s resources were used to import and distribute drugs. This occurrence was no accident. It was known the effect that importing massive amounts of addictive drugs and making them illegal would have. It was down derail the astronomical progress black people were making after the 60s Civil Rights Movement.

The real legacy of racism and prohibition is the destruction of mind and spirit. People are so psychologically and emotionally destroyed they can’t even imagine desiring something better, let alone actually getting on the road of hard work to do it.

That was the goal the plan had in mind and it was executed to perfection. Yes some people can ignore the blight. Yes some people can stay focused and overcome. But many can’t and don’t.

Any leader with the foresight to see what was taking place was murdered. Strike the shepherd, scatter the sheep. It’s the 10-80-10 rule, but people pretend it doesn’t apply to the black community.

They spout off all the right wing rhetoric which is partially true in a vacuum. But life doesn’t occur in a vacuum. Everything effects everything else. This is a brief description of the recent problems in the black community. Haven’t even gotten to how slavery and Jim Crow etc, tie into all of this. It would take a series of long books to describe it( though that is what you might call this ridiculously long post lol).

Your advice to people to get a trade is VERY GOOD ADVICE. **** it is great advice. But when you look at the bigger picture that I haven’t really touched even the tip of the iceberg on(volumes upon volumes have been written on these things in much, much greater detail), you see how that advice is so ineffective to the larger problem, though it can have a profound affect on the individual that is able to receive and act on it.


Great piece right here. Racism is deeper than just hate for skin color. There is a ton of that, but there is also so much that we don't recognize as racism. That is the part that is truly scary. We perpetuate it without even knowing.

I would love to get some book recommendations from you.
 
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Prohibition literally created machine gun violence in America.

Yup. Bootleggers were ENEMIES OF THE STATE that killed Federal, State, and local law enforcement to defy a law that they felt was unjust, and then after the repeal, parlayed criminal drivers, cars, and behavior into a sport! So let me get this right ... their grandparents, killing cops, to defy THE ACTUAL LAW IN THE CONSTITUTION was O.K., but black people peacefully utilizing the 1st Amendment is inexcusable?
 
Says the dude who started two music threads.

It's always the most partisan & divisive mutts who call for safe spaces & political correctness. They're unwilling/incapable of having these type of conversations because they're stewards of upholding the status quo for an exploitative system/society.
 
Please tell me you're not questioning his education......

Haha. **** that's what you took away from it? On a particular topic anyone can be uneducated or vice versa. I don't take legal advice from a doctor. I don't take medical advice from an engineer. I definitely don't take political advice from pro athletes, celebrities, race-baiting news anchors, or someone that speaks eloquently on a message board. Are you familiar with the halo effect? Our nation suffers from it.
 
Haha. **** that's what you took away from it? On a particular topic anyone can be uneducated or vice versa. I don't take legal advice from a doctor. I don't take medical advice from an engineer. I definitely don't take political advice from pro athletes, celebrities, race-baiting news anchors, or someone that speaks eloquently on a message board. Are you familiar with the halo effect? Our nation suffers from it.
He IS a Lawyer...and a Good one at that....
 
free·base
noun
cocaine that has been converted from its salt to its base form by heating with ether or boiling with sodium bicarbonate.

Crack, the most potent form in which cocaine appears, is also the riskiest. It is between 75% and 100% pure, far stronger and more potent than regular cocaine.

It's not racism. It's chemistry.

10 pounds of crack is orders of magnitude more potent and dangerous than 10 pounds of powdered coke, because street powder is actually only 10% cocaine and 90% other ****.

Is that logical enough for you?

No, it isn't.

"Orders of magnitude more potent and dangerous"? How many, exactly? Get away from that drugfreeworld.org propaganda. But even assuming that's right, was it 100x more powerful until 2010, then suddenly all the crack dealers got together to make it only 18x more powerful? Of course not. So how do you explain the sentencing discrepancy? The change in the law itself is representative of the fact that for decades it was unfair and harsh. At best, it was an arbitrary distinction. At worst, it was purposeful.

"Street powder is only 10% cocaine"? This is unmoving for at least 2 reasons: 1) it's false. According to the DEA's July 2018 report on 2016 Drug Pricing and Purity, notes cocaine purity increasrd to, on average, 62%. Around the same time in the UK, average purity was reported up over 40% (with reports of 100% pure cocaine available on the street). Obviously, the purity will vary based on the source. But average purity on the street, based on available data, appears to be well above 10%. 2) the sentencing guidelines for powder and crack cocaine don't differ by purity.

Again, prior to 2010, a first time drug offender with 5 grams of crack in his/her possession would catch a 5 year MMS. A first time drug offender with cocaine in their possession would need 500 grams to trigger the same 5 year MMS.
 
No. The point was that violence with automatic weapons in the street is fueled by prohibition. The daily territorial violence. Not like the rare random mass shooters of today. That type of wide spread street violence in the white community started and ended with prohibition.

What you say about education is true, but like most people looking for solutions to these problems, you are missing the big picture.

This is no insult to your character or intelligence. I believe your intentions with this sentiment are pure and authentic. But it leaves out huge pieces of the puzzle.

The question is WHY do so many black people, especially young black men, not value education?

This is where it starts to get more complicated and people can’t see the whole thing.

I will use my family as an example. There are issues at play almost exclusively due to racism blacks have faced in America. However there are other issues that effect the white community as well, but not with the same magnitude.

My grandparents and older aunts and uncles. came of age in the golden age of post World War 2 America. Some people value education differently as natural default without outside influence. As blacks in the south they didn’t have the same resources and opportunities, but they worked hard.

They picked fruit or did the hardest, most dangerous jobs in the mines and used the money to get affordable college educations. As the Civil Rights movement progressed, their opportunities expanded. My family was not unique. A LARGE portion of SOUTHERN blacks were doing this.

Their incomes rose and their children did not have to work to support the family. So they didn’t have the same work ethic. They were still working good jobs, but some got caught up in the party culture of the 70s.

The 70 s were a turning point because drug importation began to explode and admiration for the drug dealer lifestyle began to spread.

Economic down turns and outsourcing hurt many cities and many people turned to street life to survive. Projects were built. Welfare checks were handed out. Jobs were hard to get. Nothing to do but get high or drunk. Many fell through the cracks. The people who were fortunate and/or persevered succeeded.

The 80s came. So did crack. The community COMPLETELY IMPLODED. It caught people by surprise. Coke and weed weren’t that big a deal. These little white flakes were harmless. THEY COULD NOT HAVE BEEN MORE WRONG. Look at the difference between the way a powder head looks and the way a crack head looks and it tells you all you need to know.

Good, hard working people got addicted and turned to unrecognizable creatures. The sellers made a FORTUNE and turned the sexual marketplace and stays competition completely upside down. Cities turned to war zones with factions fighting for territory or addicts robbing for their next hit.

The children who grew up witnessing this catastrophe had ZERO chance to see the world the same way their parents and grandparents did.

Economic policy and the life style created by lucrative drug dealing created a large portion of the population who could not see the value of hard work because it didn’t match anything they saw in real life.

There are innumerable accounts of how the U.S. government’s resources were used to import and distribute drugs. This occurrence was no accident. It was known the effect that importing massive amounts of addictive drugs and making them illegal would have. It was down derail the astronomical progress black people were making after the 60s Civil Rights Movement.

The real legacy of racism and prohibition is the destruction of mind and spirit. People are so psychologically and emotionally destroyed they can’t even imagine desiring something better, let alone actually getting on the road of hard work to do it.

That was the goal the plan had in mind and it was executed to perfection. Yes some people can ignore the blight. Yes some people can stay focused and overcome. But many can’t and don’t.

Any leader with the foresight to see what was taking place was murdered. Strike the shepherd, scatter the sheep. It’s the 10-80-10 rule, but people pretend it doesn’t apply to the black community.

They spout off all the right wing rhetoric which is partially true in a vacuum. But life doesn’t occur in a vacuum. Everything effects everything else. This is a brief description of the recent problems in the black community. Haven’t even gotten to how slavery and Jim Crow etc, tie into all of this. It would take a series of long books to describe it( though that is what you might call this ridiculously long post lol).

Your advice to people to get a trade is VERY GOOD ADVICE. **** it is great advice. But when you look at the bigger picture that I haven’t really touched even the tip of the iceberg on(volumes upon volumes have been written on these things in much, much greater detail), you see how that advice is so ineffective to the larger problem, though it can have a profound affect on the individual that is able to receive and act on it.
Crack turned many middle class black neighborhoods into high crime poverty centers. Another consequence was the fact that it made assault weapons a must have for gun owners. I don’t recall this fascination with military grade weapons in the 70’s. But When gangs started commiting drive by’s with ak47s and drug dealers down here started spraying people with mac11s it began a **** arms race and the militarization of police. Miami was the first police department to issue a glock 17. The weapon of choice all over the country for police was the .38 revolver.
Crack decimated the family structure in black communities. The psychological trauma that children lived through can not be understated by any means I do t think there has been a movie or a documentary that has fully documented or expressed what really happened.
Only 3 movies dove into to the subject but they never really totally grasped what went on back then. New Jack City, menace to society and boys in the hood. But none really were able to capture the entire picture.
 
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It's always the most partisan & divisive mutts who call for safe spaces & political correctness. They're unwilling/incapable of having these type of conversations because they're stewards of upholding the status quo for an exploitative system/society.
No, it isn't.

"Orders of magnitude more potent and dangerous"? How many, exactly? Get away from that drugfreeworld.org propaganda. But even assuming that's right, was it 100x more powerful until 2010, then suddenly all the crack dealers got together to make it only 18x more powerful? Of course not. So how do you explain the sentencing discrepancy? The change in the law itself is representative of the fact that for decades it was unfair and harsh. At best, it was an arbitrary distinction. At worst, it was purposeful.

"Street powder is only 10% cocaine"? This is unmoving for at least 2 reasons: 1) it's false. According to the DEA's July 2018 report on 2016 Drug Pricing and Purity, notes cocaine purity increasrd to, on average, 62%. Around the same time in the UK, average purity was reported up over 40% (with reports of 100% pure cocaine available on the street). Obviously, the purity will vary based on the source. But average purity on the street, based on available data, appears to be well above 10%. 2) the sentencing guidelines for powder and crack cocaine don't differ by purity.

Again, prior to 2010, a first time drug offender with 5 grams of crack in his/her possession would catch a 5 year MMS. A first time drug offender with cocaine in their possession would need 500 grams to trigger the same 5 year MMS.

Ok, racism it is then. Must be great to be able to look at any issue and boil it down to such a simple explanation. I wish I were so simple minded.
 
Crack turned many middle class black neighborhoods into high crime poverty centers. Another consequence was the fact that it made assault weapons a must have for gun owners. I don’t recall this fascination with military grade weapons in the 70’s. But When gangs started commiting drive by’s with ak47s and drug dealers down here started spraying people with mac11s it began a **** arms race and the militarization of police. Miami was the first police department to issue a glock 17. The weapon of choice all over the country for police was the .38 revolver.
Crack decimated the family structure in black communities. The psychological trauma that children lived through can not be understated by any means I do t think there has been a movie or a documentary that has fully documented or expressed what really happened.
Only 3 movies dove into to the subject but they never really totally grasped what went on back then. New Jack City, menace to society and boys in the hood. But none really were able to capture the entire picture.
The FBI shootout in Suniland in 86 changed a lot about how law enforcement was armed.
 
Crack decimated the family structure in black communities. The psychological trauma that children lived through can not be understated by any means I do t think there has been a movie or a documentary that has fully documented or expressed what really happened.

Yes there is, watch Hoop Dreams, the daddy was a crackhead. And BTW, heroin & meth is currently destroying the family structure in rural areas, plenty of documentaries on that.
 
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