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For some perspective (recruiting rankings through this season)

This post is spot on! Coaching can absolutely make a difference but not nearly as much as having stud playmakers on the field. Richt knows this and he is making a difference in our recruiting compared to previous coaches.

When I read on here from many, talks of playoffs and ships, I know these are the same people who will be the first to lash out when we lose a game because they have set their expectations too high, too early.

This team is slowly getting better and based on CMR's history, he will continue to recruit better and better classes to the point where the Coastal will be a given every year and we will feel good about our chances to win the ACC every year.
 
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2015 Rank 26
2016 Rank 23
2017 Rank 11
2018 Rank 6

A snapshot worth a thousand words of where we are talent wise.

For those ignoramuses that insist we have the talent equal to a playoff team. WE DON’T.

Right now, just from a recruiting standpoint, FSU far out-talents us...just look at their 2015-2018 rankings.

It’s just that simple.

We’ll beat them, but not because we have more recruited talent.

We need to keep recruiting in the general top 10 area, give or take.

#FACTS
 
PGrady24 said:
A lot of good points. Definitely some work to do still in 2019

4 or 5 star players since 2015:
2015 - 5
2016 - 9
2017 - 10
2018 - 15
2019 - 7 (so far)
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I was going to point out that sometimes rankings get inflated by many 3 star commits. This shows we are still heading in the right direction, regardless.
The OP points out that today's recruiting battles start 4 years in advance and swinging full classes takes work. Especially in a school that hasn't won its conference or division in recent history.
I think the IPF and the "non Golden" hire will pay dividends in the upcoming years.
 
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Katzenboyer said:
Wanted to throw this out there to give some perspective for where we are, and what we're building towards, and why the results might not be where we want them to be -- and also why we're moving in the right direction.

Looking back to the 2015 class, which would be this year's seniors, our classes were (according to Rivals) ranked #26, #23, #11, and #6 (this year's freshman class). When you look at the elite teams in college football today, you see that their junior and senior classes were all ranked much higher than what we brought in those years.

Alabama: #2 (seniors) and #1 (juniors).
Clemson: #4 (seniors) and #6 (juniors)
Georgia: #6 (seniors) and #9 (juniors)
Oklahoma: #14 (seniors) and #16 (juniors) - the outlier in the Top 5, but still higher than the Canes' #26 and #23-ranked classes.
Ohio State: #9 (seniors) and #3 (juniors)

Even teams that fall in the next tier have talent in the upper classes that were higher-rated.

Auburn: #7 (seniors) and #8 (juniors)
LSU: #8 (seniors) and #5 (juniors)
Notre Dame: #11 (seniors) and #13 (juniors)
Penn State: #15 (seniors) and #21 (juniors)

This tells me a few things:

1. We don't have the depth in the upper classes close to the elites, but we're somewhat closer to the teams that fall in the 10-15 range.

2. We're almost past the Golden-tainted mess that will vault us into a consistent Top 10-15 finisher.

3. Even with a 2019 class that ranks anywhere from #12-#18 this season will not be a significant setback and won't bury us the way the 2015 and 2016 classes did.

4. It's so important to get to double-digit wins this season so we can get back-to-back Top 10 classes in 2020 (good start so far) and 2021.

The important takeaway is that Miami is still slowly building itself to a point of restored confidence where it can consistently win double-digit games and make itself an ACC heavyweight. With that comes the top-ranked classes, which in turn gives us a loaded upperclassmen population that is on par with the elites in the college football today.

We're already seeing what last season did for us with regard to the 2020 class, and if we keep stacking chips, there is no reason we can't be a program that's a constant threat to the playoffs (and we're building towards that). But it also might explain why last year's success accelerated expectations to an unreasonable degree going into this season in light of the lack of depth we still face with our upperclassmen.

TL;DR - be patient. We're headed in the right direction.

**Mods, feel free to move this to the recruiting section if you think it's more appropriately placed there.
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**** good analysis, OP. You are spot on. CFB is a big boy sport. Unlike basketball, so much of a football players success is his physical development and maturity. Asking 18 year olds to beat 22 year olds in physical combat is just not realistic.

I love our Freshmen and Sophs and think they will stack up against their peers at any top program. Our future is bright. But with our upperclassmen there is a talent gap compared with the top teams. And these are guys we have to rely on today which was evident when we played LSU. Their older guys are better than ours - especially in the trenches where you really rely on the older guys.

I like the future of every positional unit going forward. We will see a talent upgrade - next year and definitely by 2020. Just need to keep the top classes coming in so we can maintain the talent level that is building.
 
That's what i keep saying. The talent we have got us to 9-4 and 10-3. Thats no bad, its around where Wisconsin and such teams are. And that is on par with Golden recruiting. To challenge Clemson, Ohio St, Bama, UGA you need the Jr and Sr classes to have the talent. Because in addition to being talented those players will have their bodies developed and also know the playbooks and what is expected daily, weekly and game to game.

And thats why i said in my thread where i said Mark Richt will get it done. When the 2020 class are FR, this past class will be Jrs. Shaq class will have moved on. Our raw talent will be on par with other top teams. If you look at it OU they fall away because even tho their offensive system is top quality their defensive talent can't matchup and stop anyone.

If people are reasonable and stop thinking some magic coach can make this team #1. Just look at the upperclassmen on our great teams and look at the ones on our current team. Its just logical to me. Case in Point, we have Rosier and 3 FR Qbs, we also have 2 TEs healthy......2 true FR. You can win with underclassmen, they just can't make up most of your 2 deep talent because they will make mistakes and take time to get everything thats required. I do think next year will be back in the top 5-7. 2 years im sure we will be neck and neck at every position

Btw i use rivals, i trust their rankings more. 2017 class was #11, 2018 was #6, 2019 is #20 but will move up, we are #1 in 2020. That's championship caliber talent. That means you make a bad playcall and the Jr/Sr 5 star RB break 2 tackles in the backfield and go 80 yards for a TD, no complains about the play call.
 
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The data tells me that if we had a top 10 class this year, next year we would pretty much be “back”. Need to close this year out strong.
 
PGrady24 said:
A lot of good points. Definitely some work to do still in 2019

4 or 5 star players since 2015:
2015 - 5
2016 - 9
2017 - 10
2018 - 15
2019 - 7 (so far)
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Percentage of blue chip (four and five star) players is the most consistent metric for judging recruiting classes. The difference between having the #15 class and the #8 class is often minimal. They assign rankings based on arbitrary player ratings assigned by recruiting services. A slightly higher rated 4 star guy is in no way guaranteed to be even slightly better than a lower 4 star guy. That's why filling your class with as many 4 and 5 star guys, regardless of rating score, is paramount.
 
One more point i wanted to make separate that ties into recruiting. When people see us doing well on the recruiting trail. If a coach is not just terrible and unless he gets promoted to a higher job by another school. Its not good to think we can chop and change coaches and think recruits are just gonna be like ok, that doesn't matter. Our entire staff is entrenching themselves into the community, so we can look at 2020 and that class is already and will be loaded, should easily be top 5, could challenge for #1. And this should be no wonder because when these kids first start getting recruiting attention.....our staff was in place and these kids had probably no contact with Golden and Co.

So then when the bags sweep in late, the kids already have a developed relationship and want to be at Miami with this staff who they now know like family by the time they are ready to graduate. Bags rejected. We are still gonna lose some of course but these are the things that weren't happening before Richt came.
 
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