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Footballs decline is correlated to the decline of UM Academics

With FL Bright Futures, FL Prepaid, and cost of tuition and living expenses this all pushes students to go to state schools.

The brightest of in-state kids will attend more prestigious universities like your Ivy's which tend to have better Fin Aid packages. If they don't go Ivy then they will go to top schools for their intended majors i.e. Ga Tech, Carnegie Mellon, UMich, NYU, UT-Austin.
 
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Tonio said:
With FL Bright Futures, FL Prepaid, and cost of tuition and living expenses this all pushes students to go to state schools.

The brightest of in-state kids will attend more prestigious universities like your Ivy's which tend to have better Fin Aid packages. If they don't go Ivy then they will go to top schools for their intended majors i.e. Ga Tech, Carnegie Mellon, UMich, NYU, UT-Austin.
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Yup, major disadvantage that has to be addressed. Yes, that will cost money.

Here’s an idea: start an ambassador program to every school in Miami Dade. Free college prep materials and presentations or career coaching or whatever. Then, offer the top 3 students of every graduating class a full ride. Pair that with aggressive athletic workshops for every major sport as well, which coaches leverage for recruitment. Selectivity expand this to other state schools with good ROI, like IMG and other powerhouses both academic and athletic.

Now you’re building relationships across the board with every major administrative position at the school, teams, and generating tons of local goodwill that can lead to greater program buy in.

Simple ideas like this implemented correctly would signal a massive change in attitude within the admin and would start slowly reversing chronic cultural issues imo.
 
Gsugradcanefan said:
We get it, you secretly have a hard on for Shalala. You never resist a moment to bring her name up. UM athletics wouldn't have the money to invest in the football facilities and lure a "high profile" coach without Shalala. Also, Miami probably gets punished way more severely by the NCAA from the Nevin Shapiro mess if DS doesn't square up against them.
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That’s a false narrative. She sold out our stadium and the program in favor of the medical program. She didn’t save anyone from the NCAA. She allowed it to drag on for two extra years. She was there when Randy (her hire) was allowing Nevin to do his damage. Respectfully I know more than anyone about the inner workings of recruiting. She wasn’t only complicit, but a willing participant. Not only that, but lazy and cheep. She single handily destroyed the football culture and the program. She hired the wrong coach, because she thought it was a politically smart move based on race. She allowed Butch to leave, before she held the seat. She’s a politician and that’s just what it is. She was good for academics. There’s more cash flow now, but it’s not what’s paying for football. Football is funded because of public pressure and peoples desire to not lose their own jobs. You might like her, but I lived her presidency from the inside and know what she killed. What’s happening now isn’t because of any president wanting to support athletics. I don’t care about Donna the person. I don’t like how she performed for the football program. Sorry
 
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Remember this discussion before. Great points. Not sure which way I lean
 
ItsAUThing.com said:
Sitting at 2-2 after that abortion last week, perfectly-timed bye for this team and staff to get its head out of its collective ***.
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Totally agree. My post however had nothing to do with the timing of the bye and the effect of it on the team as a whole.

It has everything to do with this particular thread subject and others like it. We're tying the downfall of Hurricane football (we've been here for the past 15 years by the way) to the somewhat recent downturn in academic ranking of the school (about 5 year decline now).

I'm old enough to remember posts on here about 10 years ago that Miami's academic standards for its football players were too high and keeping out recruits. Now, our players aren't smart enough. And of course, it has to do with the "world view" of the administration, whatever the **** that means.

SMH, 9 months ago the vast majority on here were stoked by the hire of Mario, saying they understood it will take time to get the players to compete, but after a whopping 4 games - time to tear it all down.
 
razrcane said:
The President of Alabama will tell you that the rise of the football program has greatly affected it. I live in Alabama And this is one of the reasons how they justify Saban’s salary
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Does the President of Alabama have a choice "not" to say that? They have been playing at an elite standard now for 15 years. At this rate, you'd think they'd rate higher than 137th on the academic ranking list. Are they going out and getting elite faculty members with that extra do-re-mi? Are they building new facilities for education?
 
Boarcane said:
That’s a false narrative. She sold out our stadium and the program in favor of the medical program. She didn’t save anyone from the NCAA. She allowed it to drag on for two extra years. She was there when Randy (her hire) was allowing Nevin to do his damage. Respectfully I know more than anyone about the inner workings of recruiting. She wasn’t only complicit, but a willing participant. Not only that, but lazy and cheep. She single handily destroyed the football culture and the program. She hired the wrong coach, because she thought it was a politically smart move based on race. She allowed Butch to leave, before she held the seat. She’s a politician and that’s just what it is. She was good for academics. There’s more cash flow now, but it’s not what’s paying for football. Football is funded because of public pressure and peoples desire to not lose their own jobs. You might like her, but I lived her presidency from the inside and know what she killed. What’s happening now isn’t because of any president wanting to support athletics. I don’t care about Donna the person. I don’t like how she performed for the football program. Sorry
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The OB was "our" stadium? Did the university have any ownership in the OB at all?

How did she allow the NCAA to drag out the investigation for 2 more years?

Greg Schiano was the first choice for the job that year, not Shannon. Agreed Shannon shouldn't have been hired, but you blame the President over the AD? Did Dee come to her with a different choice to be head coach and she overruled him?

https://www.espn.com/college-football/news/story?id=2685494

Schiano tells Miami he's not leaving Rutgers​

Dec 4, 2006

And it has been widely reported the $400 million in UHealth profits helped open up the purse strings to get Mario and the rest of the staff here.

Look, Shalala deserves her share of the blame for Miami football's decline, but I'd put more of the blame on the Board of Trustees and various AD's that have come and gone.
 
CaneinBroward said:
The OB was "our" stadium? Did the university have any ownership in the OB at all?

How did she allow the NCAA to drag out the investigation for 2 more years?

Greg Schiano was the first choice for the job that year, not Shannon. Agreed Shannon shouldn't have been hired, but you blame the President over the AD? Did Dee come to her with a different choice to be head coach and she overruled him?

https://www.espn.com/college-football/news/story?id=2685494

Schiano tells Miami he's not leaving Rutgers​

Dec 4, 2006

And it has been widely reported the $400 million in UHealth profits helped open up the purse strings to get Mario and the rest of the staff here.

Look, Shalala deserves her share of the blame for Miami football's decline, but I'd put more of the blame on the Board of Trustees and various AD's that have come and gone.
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Butch wasn’t going anywhere until she helped to push him out. She was one of the loudest voices to pay him less. He was slow played and we lost him, regardless of the final offer. The land deal for that stadium went directly through the university. She got what she wanted by walking away. She didn’t push the NCAA. She let it play itself out, instead of challenging their abusive and illicit tactics earlier. Lastly, the money from U health is helping, but we never needed that to invest in the program. The football money was never reinvested in the program. She took and spent it elsewhere. She’s not doing anything for the program today, outside of getting your support. You’re giving her credit because other people have chosen to spend on football. Sorry friend I am the cookie. She was the hand.
 
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Canedude08 said:
They need to find a reason, ANY reason to justify why they keep jacking up tuition for instate students, while also giving a glorified gym teacher millions. The President of that school KNOWS that if he doesn't toe the line, Saban will turk him by lunch.

Let's cut the nonsense with Alabama. They are growing as a school because 1)They give out insane money to National Merit Scholars(It's a point of pride for them to have more National Merit recipients than any other school) and 2)They are HYPER aggressive in regards to recruiting OOS kids, especially kids that can qualify for aid. They want to boost their minority recruitment, so they now have satellite admissions offices in places like Chicago and throughout the midwest, to where they can try to get kids to at least consider Alabama. What's funny about Alabama is that they are gaming the USNWR rankings, while also not addressing their awful retention numbers. It's brilliant, get as many kids as you can to show up, give out insane money, knowing that a lot of kids will want out within a year or two, because Alabama as an institution hasn't changed one iota from the crapfest it was 20 years ago.
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I live in Alabama and know professors at the school. You can believe what you want to believe, but it doesn’t make it true. The success of the football team has been a direct driver. A lot of those kids you speak of wouldn’t have given the school a second look if not for the success of the football team.
 
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Tonio said:
Bama with all their success on the football field is the 3rd best institution in their state. Ranked outside of the top 100 while other state schools like FSU have shot up the rankings. Also getting more applications does not necessarily mean getting better applicants.

If OP's goal is to build a better alumni base than the only thing that could help is lowering tuition for in-state students.
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You realize that UMiami is a private institution, right? In other words, there isn't a tuition break for local students compared to people from elsewhere....
 
razrcane said:
I live in Alabama and know professors at the school. You can believe what you want to believe, but it doesn’t make it true. The success of the football team has been a direct driver. A lot of those kids you speak of wouldn’t have given the school a second look if not for the success of the football team.
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Not saying that they aren't getting more applicants and probably a more diverse group of OOS students but their football success has not translated into a great academic success. Still the 3rd best school in their state.

In that same time FSU has gone from fringe 100 to into the 50s all while their football team has been the worst it has been in decades. The USNews rankings changed some of their criteria which helped bolster state schools while not providing much to schools like Miami.
 
I believe the inverse is more factual.
The lack of support and financial backing of the athletic department has affected the academics more imo.

Especially the football program. We literally put the school’s academics and medical program on the map.
That U is all over those **** labcoats.

When college game day came for the notre dame game, ESPN reported that they had a record day of applications for post graduate programs
Wether the school believes it or not ATHLETICS MATTERS and they better embrace it.
 
Canedude08 said:
You realize that UMiami is a private institution, right? In other words, there isn't a tuition break for local students compared to people from elsewhere....
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Yeah I know that. I'm saying if OP's goal is to build a stronger alumni base that starts off with in-state students because those students are more than likely to stay in state rather than go back home to NY and NJ like a lot of them do now. The medical school offers an in-state tuition for students. Not sure if rules are different for undergrad but they could also implement state specific scholarship programs that in-state students could benefit from. The school's fin aid packages are lacking when compared to other private schools (not even including Ivy's).
 
pacusmc said:
I believe the inverse is more factual.
The lack of support and financial backing of the athletic department has affected the academics more imo.

Especially the football program. We literally put the school’s academics and medical program on the map.
That U is all over those **** labcoats.

When college game day came for the notre dame game, ESPN reported that they had a record day of applications for post graduate programs
Wether the school believes it or not ATHLETICS MATTERS and they better embrace it.
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Here is the disconnect though. The school doesn't think they're UMich or UNC or Notre Dame. The academic side of things think they're Northwestern, Emory, Vandy, etc.
 
Tonio said:
Yeah I know that. I'm saying if OP's goal is to build a stronger alumni base that starts off with in-state students because those students are more than likely to stay in state rather than go back home to NY and NJ like a lot of them do now. The medical school offers an in-state tuition for students. Not sure if rules are different for undergrad but they could also implement state specific scholarship programs that in-state students could benefit from. The school's fin aid packages are lacking when compared to other private schools (not even including Ivy's).
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A stronger alumni base is at the core of it yes. More broadly, local community buy in even more locally. The more positive impressions local HS kids get of the U, in both academics and athletics, prior to commuting the better our chances in every recruit battle.
 
Tonio said:
Here is the disconnect though. The school doesn't think they're UMich or UNC or Notre Dame. The academic side of things think they're Northwestern, Emory, Vandy, etc.
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They can think whatever they want but that doesn’t mean it’s true.

They can pretend that their academics made the U but that logo is famous for only one reason. And it isn’t because of some dude named Miller or Freddie Pacheco.

I feel the school of medicine is awesome as well as Ryder Trauma and Sylvester Cancer center.

But to say the football team had nothing to with the school’s notoriety is crazy.
 
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Boarcane said:
That’s a false narrative. She sold out our stadium and the program in favor of the medical program. She didn’t save anyone from the NCAA. She allowed it to drag on for two extra years. She was there when Randy (her hire) was allowing Nevin to do his damage. Respectfully I know more than anyone about the inner workings of recruiting. She wasn’t only complicit, but a willing participant. Not only that, but lazy and cheep. She single handily destroyed the football culture and the program. She hired the wrong coach, because she thought it was a politically smart move based on race. She allowed Butch to leave, before she held the seat. She’s a politician and that’s just what it is. She was good for academics. There’s more cash flow now, but it’s not what’s paying for football. Football is funded because of public pressure and peoples desire to not lose their own jobs. You might like her, but I lived her presidency from the inside and know what she killed. What’s happening now isn’t because of any president wanting to support athletics. I don’t care about Donna the person. I don’t like how she performed for the football program. Sorry
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I'm not a Shalala fan, but look at what she did objectively. Although she overpaid for Cedars, U Health brings in far more money to the school than anything else. In 2020, UM brought in $153 million from sports, merchandising, food, and dorms while U Health brought in $2.1 billion. U Health brings in more than 1/2 of the total operating revenues for the university. While you may say that she paid too much attention to the medical program, it did make financial sense.

UM’s operating revenues increased to $3.68 billion, from $3.57 billion. Its fiscal 2020 operating revenue broke down as follows:

  • $1.57 billion in patient revenue from hospitals and clinics.
  • $588 million in tuition and fees.
  • $579 million in grants and contracts.
  • $504 million in patient revenue from medical practices.
  • $153 million from auxiliary enterprises, such as sports, merchandise, food and dorms.
  • $49 million in gifts and trust.
 
Boarcane said:
That’s a false narrative. She sold out our stadium and the program in favor of the medical program. She didn’t save anyone from the NCAA. She allowed it to drag on for two extra years. She was there when Randy (her hire) was allowing Nevin to do his damage. Respectfully I know more than anyone about the inner workings of recruiting. She wasn’t only complicit, but a willing participant. Not only that, but lazy and cheep. She single handily destroyed the football culture and the program. She hired the wrong coach, because she thought it was a politically smart move based on race. She allowed Butch to leave, before she held the seat. She’s a politician and that’s just what it is. She was good for academics. There’s more cash flow now, but it’s not what’s paying for football. Football is funded because of public pressure and peoples desire to not lose their own jobs. You might like her, but I lived her presidency from the inside and know what she killed. What’s happening now isn’t because of any president wanting to support athletics. I don’t care about Donna the person. I don’t like how she performed for the football program. Sorry
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Since when did DS hire Randy Shannon? I could've sworn that was done by the AD but continue spewing inaccurate revisionist history. Your statement of her hiring Randy as a race driven political move, and not because numerous other candidates turned it down bc Miami was seen as a mess of a program, (he was like the 6th or 7th candidate interviewed) tells me all i need to know about your warped, foolish mindset. As far as the stadium deal, it is MI understanding that it was something done in the 11th hour by Miami politicians behind UM's back on some shady **** because they really wanted that for the Marlins since at the time baseball was a way bigger attraction than UM football, given the city's huge Hispanic population.
 
Nopain said:
I'm not a Shalala fan, but look at what she did objectively. Although she overpaid for Cedars, U Health brings in far more money to the school than anything else. In 2020, UM brought in $153 million from sports, merchandising, food, and dorms while U Health brought in $2.1 billion. U Health brings in more than 1/2 of the total operating revenues for the university. While you may say that she paid too much attention to the medical program, it did make financial sense.

UM’s operating revenues increased to $3.68 billion, from $3.57 billion. Its fiscal 2020 operating revenue broke down as follows:

  • $1.57 billion in patient revenue from hospitals and clinics.
  • $588 million in tuition and fees.
  • $579 million in grants and contracts.
  • $504 million in patient revenue from medical practices.
  • $153 million from auxiliary enterprises, such as sports, merchandise, food and dorms.
  • $49 million in gifts and trust.
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100% correct and she was good for academics.
 
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