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Ssoto0055 said:
No, you're wrong. We can negate each other's statements with conclusions, or you can actually provide a valid reason.
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You made the accusation. You go first.

Show where the fan's bad behavior has hurt the program.

And if that's true, the opposite must also be true.

Show where the fan's good behavior could help the program.
 
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We are not the problem. Team showed life last year and we came running in full out Miami crazy nutcase gear. We turned that death trap in north Dade into a new Orange Bowl. It was not us that showed up flats as pancake without yeast in Pitt and and carbon copied it the next week againt Clemson. It was not us the blew the Orange Bowl game and ripped the February close of recruiting season the pieces.

We bought the season tickets and finished off the IPF. We showed up in TX for the operner. We did NOT draw up the game plan show up with large jars of lube. We are not in charge of the team physical, mental and emotional state. that would be the coaching staff, hand picked and retained by one Mark Ritch. We do not run recruits off. They have played football thier entire lives and know what they are seeing on the field.

M has loss 8 of his last 15 games. For the math impaired, that is under .500. That sucks in just about everything except batting average. We had nothing to do with that. Maybe if he spent more time designing plays and system for the players he has and less time cutting up sandwichs, he could win more. Pick the frigging tow pieces of bread up and bight you fool.
 
It’s not the fans. It’s the same EXACT mess it’s been. Front running players that run for the hills after a loss or two, and completely incompetent coaching to the players you have and their strengths rather than your “system”. The only difference I see is now it on offense and previously it was defense.
But the locker room turmoil every time things get tough, that’s grass is greener at the “other school” that had recruited me front running mentality.
Between those and the lack of production from the so called top players in class after class if recruits we are in and spiral that we have ALL seen again and again. Why anyone is even wasting breath to talk about it is mind numbing.
It’s easy. Either Richt brings in someone to change the culture of the offense or it’ll implode again next season. Then we will have players leaving that shouldn’t and/or transferring in masses. Which will result in a terrible recruiting class in which he is surely done the next season (see Al Golden) or the BOT will grow a pair and do it after this next season in hopes of saving that class, or they actually put their foot down and demand change this year.
In the end this off season will tell you how the next couple will work out.
 
Ssoto0055 said:
I did when we were arguing last night. I didn't provide him any because I wasn't in the mood to repeat myself because he was too lazy to read the thread before posting.
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Just to be clear, it isn't the fanbase that's hurting the program. Ohio State and their fanbase just supported Meyer for what clearly looks like he supported and knew about a coach physically abusing his wife. Ohio State hasn't skipped a beat in recruiting. Penn State displayed the most disgusting human behavior when Paterno was fired for knowing about Sandusky's actions in abusing children, and the student body proceeded to riot the campus. Penn State hasn't skipped a beat. Bama fans hurl the n-word at their players (last year on twitter in the Iron Bowl). Bama hasn't skipped a beat. I could go on and on and on. But I'm sure you see the trend.

We're on a message board critiquing what's wrong with Richt and his approach with the program. Yet, you and others go on this pointless crusade keep saying we're hurting the program and the guys we recruit read this forum. Well, most of you guys also say that the coaches know better than the fans; so to do the recruits that read these forums since a majority have been playing football for over a decade now.

So again, look at the examples I've provided and the state of the programs for those respective universities. The worst way to hurt a program is what Richt's doing, not winning.
 
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orange&green84 said:
Just to be clear, it isn't the fanbase that's hurting the program. Ohio State and their fanbase just supported Meyer for what clearly looks like he supported and knew about a coach physically abusing his wife. Ohio State hasn't skipped a beat in recruiting. Penn State displayed the most disgusting human behavior when Paterno was fired for knowing about Sandusky's actions in abusing children, and the student body proceeded to riot the campus. Penn State hasn't skipped a beat. Bama fans hurl the n-word at their players (last year on twitter in the Iron Bowl). Bama hasn't skipped a beat. I could go on and on and on. But I'm sure you see the trend.

We're on a message board critiquing what's wrong with Richt and his approach with the program. Yet, you and others go on this pointless crusade keep saying we're hurting the program and the guys we recruit read this forum. Well, most of you guys also say that the coaches know better than the fans; so to do the recruits that read these forums since a majority have been playing football for over a decade now.

So again, look at the examples I've provided and the state of the programs for those respective universities. The worst way to hurt a program is what Richt's doing, not winning.
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Your example is not relevant. Ohio State and Penn State are examples of fans looking the other way no matter how reprehensible the conduct was for the sake of winning. At Penn State they looked away until it was evident that Paterno was holding the program back and they used it to move on.
We all agree that Richt needs to make changes. That's not the debate either. I have't said anything about recruits reading this forum, nor do they need to, when fans will reach out to them on Twitter, Facebook or whatever other social media is popular with teens. But when fans are telling kids to not come here, that will have a negative affect which is what the OP of this thread was saying. Any action will have consequences. That's just life. You defend the idea of the banners. That's fine. You don't get to ignore the consequences of it.
 
Ssoto0055 said:
Your example is not relevant. Ohio State and Penn State are examples of fans looking the other way no matter how reprehensible the conduct was for the sake of winning. At Penn State they looked away until it was evident that Paterno was holding the program back and they used it to move on.
We all agree that Richt needs to make changes. That's not the debate either. I have't said anything about recruits reading this forum, nor do they need to, when fans will reach out to them on Twitter, Facebook or whatever other social media is popular with teens. But when fans are telling kids to not come here, that will have a negative affect which is what the OP of this thread was saying. Any action will have consequences. That's just life. You defend the idea of the banners. That's fine. You don't get to ignore the consequences of it.
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I'm waiting to see what those consequences are. Last time we flew banners was during the Al Golden era. What damage did the banners do? Do you think Al Golden doesn't lose 58-0 to Clemson?
 
1mg of Epi said:
That’s all I expect now. I cAn live w a loss to Clemson, even LSU. I don’t expect an elite program overnight.

I do expect to beat teams that Miami out talents.
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Understood. You would SETTLE for 11-1 right now because you don't expect miracles--- using the players recruited by Golden during his plank-walking days.

But really, the pitchforks came out during that 1 loss to LSU (mine too) and we're never considered for return to the gardening shed even during the 5 day win streak.

Those four coaches who beat us are not nincompoops. And some of them have had 5 years to groom their 4 and 5 year players.

Butch Davis going 5-6 with all of those old Miami "hall of fame" caliber players (albeit less because of the probation) in year 3 was, to me, a whole lot more surpring.

Part of the reason Butch was hated (at that moment in time) more than any coach before or since.
 
lurk said:
Understood. You would SETTLE for 11-1 right now because you don't expect miracles--- using the players recruited by Golden during his plank-walking days.

But really, the pitchforks came out during that 1 loss to LSU (mine too) and we're never considered for return to the gardening shed even during the 5 day win streak.

Those four coaches who beat us are not nincompoops. And some of them have had 5 years to groom their 4 and 5 year players.

Butch Davis going 5-6 with all of those old Miami "hall of fame" caliber players (albeit less because of the probation) in year 3 was, to me, a whole lot more surpring.

Part of the reason Butch was hated (at that moment in time) more than any coach before or since.
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The pitchforks didn’t come out till uva, but the warning signs have been there since season 1.

What’s lost in the comparisons between richt and butch, is that butch fiddled with his staff. Richt has kept the same coaches running the same system for 3 seasons. He will continue to fail because he continues to do what’s failing.
 
lurk said:
Understood. You would SETTLE for 11-1 right now because you don't expect miracles--- using the players recruited by Golden during his plank-walking days.

But really, the pitchforks came out during that 1 loss to LSU (mine too) and we're never considered for return to the gardening shed even during the 5 day win streak.

Those four coaches who beat us are not nincompoops. And some of them have had 5 years to groom their 4 and 5 year players.

Butch Davis going 5-6 with all of those old Miami "hall of fame" caliber players (albeit less because of the probation) in year 3 was, to me, a whole lot more surpring.

Part of the reason Butch was hated (at that moment in time) more than any coach before or since.
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Didnt Clement play that entire season with both collar bones and both femurs severely shattered? There was like six players on that team on a scholarship.

This team is equally as bad... but theres no explanation
 
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