Folden on Joe Rose

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

some of you guys have single cell brains.

what is he going to say? yes, we made the mistake of not making adjustments and because were (or are) close to getting fired, we made some significant adjustments by playing closer to the LOS, being more aggressive etc.

absolutely not.

After Penn State turned in losing records in 3 of the first 4 seasons of the 2000s, Golden's mentor, Joe Paterno, sent his offensive staff down to Texas to learn the spread offense the Longhorns had implemented while Vince Young was there. They rebounded with an 11 - 1 season in 2005. As much as I despised Paterno, I respect the fact that he was able to admit that he needed to make changes. If Paterno could do that at such a late stage in his career, why can't Golden simply admit they made some changes to better suit our personnel? Who would really fault him for saying "we decided it was time to simplify things and let these guys do what they do best", or "we were giving up too many yards so we decided to be a little more aggressive on D". I would have way more respect for him if he did that as opposed to insulting our intelligence and placing all of the blame on the players.

 

[Sully]

What do we have to do in order to get the trolls banned around here? ****

This is what I want to know. To much negativity towards the staff by people who have nothing invested. If half the people who talk trash showed up at the games the stadium would be full. Get on board or get out.

 

[AUcane]

Really, when did he do that?

Seriously? LMAO

Again, I am not gonna knock Folden today.

So, let's have an X's and O's discussion. You're going to tell me he doesn't blitz Perryman or Bush or blitz the corners off the edge? What exactly are we doing differently from a scheme perspective? We're not standing McCord up? We do appear to be tackling much, much better. We're also communicating much better as well. And Grace is getting more and more reps. Perryman has really picked up his game the last two weeks. So much so he is a legitimate Butkus candidate. Bush is picking up his game and he has been terrific the last two weeks.

We're blitzing more. That's one sign of our change in philosophy. We are doing more with the front 4-5 in terms of pressure instead of relying on a 3 man DT rush. I look at the box and the last few games the box seems to be more congested. Instead of 6 guys in the box, there seemed to be 7. Anyway, there aren't monumental changes but you can't say that there haven't been adjustments to the philosophy on D.

As for Grohlden, what do people expect him to say - that he changed philosophy or is doing something different? Of course not. That will only invite scrutiny on Donofrio and Grohlden won't let that happen - publicly at least.

There is nothing that we have seen and seen a lot of. We rarely rush 3. We're running a lot of 3-4 over and 3-4 under looks, which we do depending on the formations.

Perryman is playing like a Butkus winner the last two games. Bush has been lights out. We're playing a lot more Grace and a lot more Elder (who is without a doubt our best corner). We're seeing more Kamalu on the inside, which is a good thing.

I think they're more confident in our safety play, which up to the Virginia Tech game was truly awful.

We'll see if we've turned the corner, but the kids are tackling much, much better.

Cmon, PC. This is much more than just "tackling better" and Butkus playing lights out. As for your other comments, Kamalu has been a regular rusher since Louisville and Elder has played a bunch of snaps since Game 1. As for rarely rushing 3, you're right, we've rarely done that the past few games whereas it has been a staple here the last couple years. I'm not saying we're calling exotic new things on defense - it's straight out of our normal playbook - we're just running it more often.

Joe: Coach, the Defense is playing so much better. Did you make changes or are you running the same stuff?

Folden: We're executing better.


WTF


Folden can't even admit that Changes were made to the Defense, not necessarily scheme, but how you allow players to execute the scheme. It is F*cking easier to Execute when your DBs and LBs are not so far back that they are spotted in Boca Raton. The players had it (Aggression) in them from day one. Better late than never.....I guess.

I am not gonna knock Folden today. But Gee Wiz, I just wish he would stop calling Canes Fans and Former Players Stupid.

We will see if the new found aggression continues against FSU.


NO EXCUSES.

Really, when did he do that?

When he said we were executing better (Doh).

We are executing better. Same scheme, better execution, better job of players playing their roles and sticking to their assignments. That allows the overall defense to play more aggressively.

Really, when did he do that?

When he said we were executing better (Doh).

We are executing better. Same scheme, better execution, better job of players playing their roles and sticking to their assignments. That allows the overall defense to play more aggressively.

B.S. You really believe that after 3 and a half seasons, the light bulb just magically turned on for the players at exactly the same time when Golden's seat was starting to get warm? These guys who were highly touted recruits in high school, somehow forgot or never knew how to tackle or cover a WR, but now they are suddenly tackling better and blanketing receivers and it has absolutely nothing to do with a scheme change? I'm not buying that for a second. Golden clearly will not admit it publicly but this is a different defense then the one we have seen for the last 3 seasons.

When you recruit highly skilled athletes, it takes 3 and a half years for the light to magically turn on.

Sincerely,

Folden

This. LOL at "kids are finally executing better" and "tackling better". So it's taken 3.5 years for the light to go off? :/

 

[Hurricane Warrior]

Joe: Coach, the Defense is playing so much better. Did you make changes or are you running the same stuff?

Folden: We're executing better.


WTF


Folden can't even admit that Changes were made to the Defense, not necessarily scheme, but how you allow players to execute the scheme. It is F*cking easier to Execute when your DBs and LBs are not so far back that they are spotted in Boca Raton. The players had it (Aggression) in them from day one. Better late than never.....I guess.

I am not gonna knock Folden today. But Gee Wiz, I just wish he would stop calling Canes Fans and Former Players Stupid.

We will see if the new found aggression continues against FSU.


NO EXCUSES.

Really, when did he do that?

When he said we were executing better (Doh).

We are executing better. Same scheme, better execution, better job of players playing their roles and sticking to their assignments. That allows the overall defense to play more aggressively.

Watch the interviews, the players said the same thing:

1. players are trusting each other
2. players are executing better
3. no scheme changes

Bush and Perrymen were asked if they doing anything different after the UNC game and that was their answer. I'll take their word for it over the experts on this site.

 

[orange&green]

You really expect the man to admit he was wrong for 4 years?

Nobody in their right mind will self incriminate themselves. He changed A LOT of stuff on D.

Great Coaches admit the adjustments ALL THE TIME. Reason: IT MAKES THEM APPEAR SMART.

Folden........*****, I said I would not knock the man today.

The name is Golden.

No. It's Folden. Ask Phillip Buchanon and Warren Sapp.

Its Golden. Ask Jim Kelly, Vinny Testaverde, Steve Walsh, Craig Erickson, Ken Dorsey, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Andre Johnson, Jimmy Graham, etc.....................

 

[dk72]

Seriously? LMAO

Again, I am not gonna knock Folden today.

So, let's have an X's and O's discussion. You're going to tell me he doesn't blitz Perryman or Bush or blitz the corners off the edge? What exactly are we doing differently from a scheme perspective? We're not standing McCord up? We do appear to be tackling much, much better. We're also communicating much better as well. And Grace is getting more and more reps. Perryman has really picked up his game the last two weeks. So much so he is a legitimate Butkus candidate. Bush is picking up his game and he has been terrific the last two weeks.

We're blitzing more. That's one sign of our change in philosophy. We are doing more with the front 4-5 in terms of pressure instead of relying on a 3 man DT rush. I look at the box and the last few games the box seems to be more congested. Instead of 6 guys in the box, there seemed to be 7. Anyway, there aren't monumental changes but you can't say that there haven't been adjustments to the philosophy on D.

As for Grohlden, what do people expect him to say - that he changed philosophy or is doing something different? Of course not. That will only invite scrutiny on Donofrio and Grohlden won't let that happen - publicly at least.

There is nothing that we have seen and seen a lot of. We rarely rush 3. We're running a lot of 3-4 over and 3-4 under looks, which we do depending on the formations.

Perryman is playing like a Butkus winner the last two games. Bush has been lights out. We're playing a lot more Grace and a lot more Elder (who is without a doubt our best corner). We're seeing more Kamalu on the inside, which is a good thing.

I think they're more confident in our safety play, which up to the Virginia Tech game was truly awful.

We'll see if we've turned the corner, but the kids are tackling much, much better.

Cmon, PC. This is much more than just "tackling better" and Butkus playing lights out. As for your other comments, Kamalu has been a regular rusher since Louisville and Elder has played a bunch of snaps since Game 1. As for rarely rushing 3, you're right, we've rarely done that the past few games whereas it has been a staple here the last couple years. I'm not saying we're calling exotic new things on defense - it's straight out of our normal playbook - we're just running it more often.

When he said we were executing better (Doh).

We are executing better. Same scheme, better execution, better job of players playing their roles and sticking to their assignments. That allows the overall defense to play more aggressively.

B.S. You really believe that after 3 and a half seasons, the light bulb just magically turned on for the players at exactly the same time when Golden's seat was starting to get warm? These guys who were highly touted recruits in high school, somehow forgot or never knew how to tackle or cover a WR, but now they are suddenly tackling better and blanketing receivers and it has absolutely nothing to do with a scheme change? I'm not buying that for a second. Golden clearly will not admit it publicly but this is a different defense then the one we have seen for the last 3 seasons.

When you recruit highly skilled athletes, it takes 3 and a half years for the light to magically turn on.

Sincerely,

Folden

This. LOL at "kids are finally executing better" and "tackling better". So it's taken 3.5 years for the light to go off? :/

It only takes 2-3 players, not even the same players each play, to not do their job properly to have the defense fall apart. That's why I'm not a big fan of this defense. But yes, players are playing better, making fewer mistakes, and not freelancing (something the defensive players themselves have also admitted to), and that allows the defense to work. It's not like all of a sudden all of the defensive players "lights went off." It's that the mistakes have started to dwindle and each player is playing their role. Again, not a fan of the scheme for exactly that reason, it requires too much discipline and perfection, especially at the college level where players are coming and going every few years. But when everyone does their job, the scheme can be very effective...which is what we have been seeing recently. Not to say that we won't have some more bad games the rest of the season where a couple players disrupt the entire system, but bottom line, the scheme hasn't changed.

 

[AUcane]

there's a difference between saying "the scheme changed" and "the playcalling is more aggressive". I'm saying the latter.

 

[Dan E. Dangerously]

A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

How about a nice game of chess?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHWjlCaIrQo

 

[fincane]

The UNC QB himself said we were different from last year. He talked about more press coverage in man as opposed to the bail out stuff.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-hurricanes/fl-dave-hyde-hurricanes-1102-20141101-column.html

"They played a whole lot of press coverage on our outside receivers,'' Williams said, meaning Miami cornerbacks were in-their-face at the line. "They were going to dare you to beat them deep, and they got the corners and the safeties to do that.

"Their corners and safeties run 4.3 (seconds in the 40-yard run) and they don't think you're going to be able to get by them. We weren't able to."

Was it different than playing them last year?

"Night and day,'' he said. "They played man-to-man [last year], just like this year. But they backed off our guys more last year. You didn't have much space this time."

I think that is the biggest thing. Dictating to the offense. Same scheme. But it hasn't been the passive approach.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

there's a difference between saying "the scheme changed" and "the playcalling is more aggressive". I'm saying the latter.

I think that is a fair observation and distinction. In any event, something is definitely different beyond players simply "executing better". I don't dispute that they are executing better, but it's because they are being put in a better position to execute better.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

Yall kneegrows are on here defending the scheme that Alice has abandoned??? Lulzzzz

 

[UMFarArcher]

"Well Joe, again, if I admit that we just now changed the scheme due to the banner flying, demanding I be fired, that would be akin to admitting that some of the fans on CIS and all of the fans on WEZ who started criticized me since the Maryland game were correct - and I was wrong. That's not going to happen, Joe."

"So Coach, you're saying the scheme hasn't changed at all, but suddenly the players are just now executing?"

"That's right, Joe. Our players haven't been executing for over three years, and we've been putting in the work, and now it's starting to show."

"But Coach, previously, we'd put three on the line, only to stand up and play pattycake, regardless of whether it was first and ten, or third and one. Then our corners were ten yards off the receivers, and at the snap ran to a spot, our linebackers were ten yards off the line and were getting blocked by linemen. Then, out blitzers would run out on third down, telegraphing our intentions."

"Joe, we've been teaching our core values, and it's a process. Our standards and columns, pillars, and vertical supports, and ideals, and enthusiams, with an emphasis on clouds and reduced visibility vision enhancements are finally beginning to gel. Again, our values haven't changed, our coaching hasn't changed. The players are now starting to realize their responsibilities, and are executing."

 

[Gamineal]

Or Or Or...we played ****** teams

 

[jerzeycane]

The UNC QB himself said we were different from last year. He talked about more press coverage in man as opposed to the bail out stuff.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-hurricanes/fl-dave-hyde-hurricanes-1102-20141101-column.html

"They played a whole lot of press coverage on our outside receivers,'' Williams said, meaning Miami cornerbacks were in-their-face at the line. "They were going to dare you to beat them deep, and they got the corners and the safeties to do that.

"Their corners and safeties run 4.3 (seconds in the 40-yard run) and they don't think you're going to be able to get by them. We weren't able to."

Was it different than playing them last year?

"Night and day,'' he said. "They played man-to-man [last year], just like this year. But they backed off our guys more last year. You didn't have much space this time."

I think that is the biggest thing. Dictating to the offense. Same scheme. But it hasn't been the passive approach.

But they've been playing in this fashion against receivers ALL YEAR LONG.

It just doesn't come to light when you are playing spread option teams like Nebraska and Georgia Tech.

 

[valid]

The UNC QB himself said we were different from last year. He talked about more press coverage in man as opposed to the bail out stuff.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-hurricanes/fl-dave-hyde-hurricanes-1102-20141101-column.html

"They played a whole lot of press coverage on our outside receivers,'' Williams said, meaning Miami cornerbacks were in-their-face at the line. "They were going to dare you to beat them deep, and they got the corners and the safeties to do that.

"Their corners and safeties run 4.3 (seconds in the 40-yard run) and they don't think you're going to be able to get by them. We weren't able to."

Was it different than playing them last year?

"Night and day,'' he said. "They played man-to-man [last year], just like this year. But they backed off our guys more last year. You didn't have much space this time."

I think that is the biggest thing. Dictating to the offense. Same scheme. But it hasn't been the passive approach.

anyone else feel like punching Fat Al right in the face after reading that? Everyone on God's green earth knows we were running the softest defense possible. smh

 

[valid]

The UNC QB himself said we were different from last year. He talked about more press coverage in man as opposed to the bail out stuff.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-hurricanes/fl-dave-hyde-hurricanes-1102-20141101-column.html

"They played a whole lot of press coverage on our outside receivers,'' Williams said, meaning Miami cornerbacks were in-their-face at the line. "They were going to dare you to beat them deep, and they got the corners and the safeties to do that.

"Their corners and safeties run 4.3 (seconds in the 40-yard run) and they don't think you're going to be able to get by them. We weren't able to."

Was it different than playing them last year?

"Night and day,'' he said. "They played man-to-man [last year], just like this year. But they backed off our guys more last year. You didn't have much space this time."

I think that is the biggest thing. Dictating to the offense. Same scheme. But it hasn't been the passive approach.

But they've been playing in this fashion against receivers ALL YEAR LONG.

It just doesn't come to light when you are playing spread option teams like Nebraska and Georgia Tech.

ORLY? somebody should post the stiill shots again from UL, GT, Nebraska....our DBs were a mile away from their WRs.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

The UNC QB himself said we were different from last year. He talked about more press coverage in man as opposed to the bail out stuff.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-hurricanes/fl-dave-hyde-hurricanes-1102-20141101-column.html

"They played a whole lot of press coverage on our outside receivers,'' Williams said, meaning Miami cornerbacks were in-their-face at the line. "They were going to dare you to beat them deep, and they got the corners and the safeties to do that.

"Their corners and safeties run 4.3 (seconds in the 40-yard run) and they don't think you're going to be able to get by them. We weren't able to."

Was it different than playing them last year?

"Night and day,'' he said. "They played man-to-man [last year], just like this year. But they backed off our guys more last year. You didn't have much space this time."

I think that is the biggest thing. Dictating to the offense. Same scheme. But it hasn't been the passive approach.

Everybody has been *****ing we don't play man. We do and we have and we do every game at times. We haven't been a good man team in the past. It's a confidence thing. I will agree we are dialing up blitzing a little more and it has been more effective the past two games.

 

[Gamineal]

The UNC QB himself said we were different from last year. He talked about more press coverage in man as opposed to the bail out stuff.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-hurricanes/fl-dave-hyde-hurricanes-1102-20141101-column.html

"They played a whole lot of press coverage on our outside receivers,'' Williams said, meaning Miami cornerbacks were in-their-face at the line. "They were going to dare you to beat them deep, and they got the corners and the safeties to do that.

"Their corners and safeties run 4.3 (seconds in the 40-yard run) and they don't think you're going to be able to get by them. We weren't able to."

Was it different than playing them last year?

"Night and day,'' he said. "They played man-to-man [last year], just like this year. But they backed off our guys more last year. You didn't have much space this time."

I think that is the biggest thing. Dictating to the offense. Same scheme. But it hasn't been the passive approach.

But they've been playing in this fashion against receivers ALL YEAR LONG.

It just doesn't come to light when you are playing spread option teams like Nebraska and Georgia Tech.

ORLY? somebody should post the stiill shots again from UL, GT, Nebraska....our DBs were a mile away from their WRs.

They had the middle of the feild last year to themselves with EBRON torching the Lbs all night..when they went deep last year they lost the game too..and were picked

 

[jerzeycane]

The UNC QB himself said we were different from last year. He talked about more press coverage in man as opposed to the bail out stuff.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-hurricanes/fl-dave-hyde-hurricanes-1102-20141101-column.html

"They played a whole lot of press coverage on our outside receivers,'' Williams said, meaning Miami cornerbacks were in-their-face at the line. "They were going to dare you to beat them deep, and they got the corners and the safeties to do that.

"Their corners and safeties run 4.3 (seconds in the 40-yard run) and they don't think you're going to be able to get by them. We weren't able to."

Was it different than playing them last year?

"Night and day,'' he said. "They played man-to-man [last year], just like this year. But they backed off our guys more last year. You didn't have much space this time."

I think that is the biggest thing. Dictating to the offense. Same scheme. But it hasn't been the passive approach.

But they've been playing in this fashion against receivers ALL YEAR LONG.

It just doesn't come to light when you are playing spread option teams like Nebraska and Georgia Tech.

ORLY? somebody should post the stiill shots again from UL, GT, Nebraska....our DBs were a mile away from their WRs.

That's not what I was saying. You don't play press coverage all the time against option teams. The receivers then simply run your corners off who have their back to the play while 10 yards is being gained right up their ***.

 

[Canezum5]

Joe: Coach, the Defense is playing so much better. Did you make changes or are you running the same stuff?

Folden: We're executing better.


WTF


Folden can't even admit that Changes were made to the Defense, not necessarily scheme, but how you allow players to execute the scheme. It is F*cking easier to Execute when your DBs and LBs are not so far back that they are spotted in Boca Raton. The players had it (Aggression) in them from day one. Better late than never.....I guess.

I am not gonna knock Folden today. But Gee Wiz, I just wish he would stop calling Canes Fans and Former Players Stupid.

We will see if the new found aggression continues against FSU.


NO EXCUSES.

Really, when did he do that?

Seriously? LMAO

Again, I am not gonna knock Folden today.

So, let's have an X's and O's discussion. You're going to tell me he doesn't blitz Perryman or Bush or blitz the corners off the edge? What exactly are we doing differently from a scheme perspective? We're not standing McCord up? We do appear to be tackling much, much better. We're also communicating much better as well. And Grace is getting more and more reps. Perryman has really picked up his game the last two weeks. So much so he is a legitimate Butkus candidate. Bush is picking up his game and he has been terrific the last two weeks.

IMO We are tackling better because we have adjusted and our guys are in better positions that allow for more favorable tackling scenarios. To me, that is Extremely apparent with the Lbs and Dbs recently. I agree we haven't changed much, but we have made some subtle adjustments that have paid dividends.

...Have never liked guys that can't admit when they are/were wrong. Took the Ol' Ball coach all of one game to publicly admit that he made a mistake changing his D. And he's a football gawd in comparison to Alice. Massive Red Flag IMO, whipping in the wind...

THIS!

Couldnt have said it better. While we didnt change the defense in its entirety its been said countless times that the boys would benefit from just playing 5-7 yards closer to the l.o.s. Even if its that small of an adjustment it needs to be acknowledged, imo.

Just like you, it grinds my gears when someone cant admit defeat or being wrong.

Spurrier is one of my faves. He always keeps it real or tries to the best of his ability. I dont see why we should have to settle for coach speak if the team isnt winning.

i dont care what a winning coach says. But if your losing with a team full of NFL talent i want some answers **** it. as i do donate to the program and attend games.