Florida just flipped Holley

[Joecane]

Didn't OSU hire Johnson? May not be over.

 

[FINCHLION]

Why are we the only Florida team that continually struggles to land big time DTs? It's ****ing mind boggling

Because our staff is terrible and does not know the appropriate time to offer or how to win over recruits and families.

 

[User-4525]

Ask the gators on here if the reason those kids committed was due to Roper

 

[killa1storm]

Randy did it after a 5-7 season

Basically. If you have a vision to sell recruits will buy in.

Muschamp is basically selling 'we were 11-2 the year before, then we had a rash of injuries. The one coordinator we had that sucked we got rid of him, next year we're back to winning 10 games.' Now I ain't buying the ****, but that's the selling point. As well as tons of playing time in the SEC, that's apparently been a big one on the trail. A lot of recruits want to play in the SEC. Basically, its selling dreams.

 

[IHATETHISPLACE]

Ask the gators on here if the reason those kids committed was due to Roper

I bet he has never talked to Roper. Brad Lawing and Muschamp were the two he talked to

 

[PUNCICANE]

Ask the gators on here if the reason those kids committed was due to Roper

I bet he has never talked to Roper. Brad Lawing and Muschamp were the two he talked to

you mfrs need some reading comprehension. I never said **** about anyone talking to Roper or him recruiting anyone.

for instance, if we were to fire "Dorito" and hire, say Bud Foster.. Would that help us recruit as a whole? Would we be able to sell both offensive and defensive players that we would win big?

did they flip Willis, Tabor & Holley plus Powell.... after making the change and lose Cook and Lane just before it?

 

[theibisrules]

That's what happens when you fire the coordinator that's not doing his job and hire a promising new one... You can sell recruits on what's possible

But holley plays on the dline. Not offense lol

that's PUNCI the DUNCI's logic there

 

[ChiefMahkeenac]

Ask the gators on here if the reason those kids committed was due to Roper

None of the flipped kids have had a single thing to do with Roper. That said, Treon Harris flipping and Isaiah McKenzie would be all him

 

[bobbydigius]

That's what happens when you fire the coordinator that's not doing his job and hire a promising new one... You can sell recruits on what's possible

But holley plays on the dline. Not offense lol

the issue is that they came off a 4-8 season because of their offensive ineptitude.... People wanna play for winners!

Their defense hasn't been the issue. Muschump is a G on that side of the ball, but kids are flipping to them now cause they have made adjustments in their staff to put themselves in a position to be good on both sides of the ball, thus win more...

That's not what you said/implied in your original post. You implied that because roper was selling dreams that they were able to land Holley. Them landing Holley had nothing to do with Roper. It had everything to do with Larry Johnson and Bill o Brien leaving PSU. UF has been in second for his recruitment for a long time now. They sold Holley on being able to come into UF and play early on the dline. We tried to sell the same point to holly, but it's not about the content it's about how you pitch it.

That last line perfectly sums up what many on here have been trying to say about recruiting for awhile.....

 

[RickinCanesville]

That's what happens when play in SEC and fans show up for Saturday games.

I saw a couple games at the Swamp on TV this year that had quite a few empty seats. Apparently winning has a direct correlation as to whether or not people attend games, even at mighty U***.

This is a big part of it. UF has a lot of athletic programs and most don't bring in ****. The football program is the cash cow they don't like to see empty seats. Not saying they'll let anyone in but, the hoops that kids have to jump through to get admitted to the "U" hurts us recruiting wise. Case in Point BP. As others have posted in numerous threads we have seen the enemy and he is us.

 

[cane since birth]

Well UF was his second school, and bill obrien left so this flip was expected

 

[japancane]

Randy did it after a 5-7 season

Basically. If you have a vision to sell recruits will buy in.

Muschamp is basically selling 'we were 11-2 the year before, then we had a rash of injuries. The one coordinator we had that sucked we got rid of him, next year we're back to winning 10 games.' Now I ain't buying the ****, but that's the selling point. As well as tons of playing time in the SEC, that's apparently been a big one on the trail. A lot of recruits want to play in the SEC. Basically, its selling dreams.

exactly. Not sure why people think they bought Holley.

Selling early playing time and the ability to bring back a CFB powerhouse is pretty enticing, not to mention good gameday atmosphere etc.

Its easy to recruit when you're on top and when you're on the bottom. Being stuck in purgatory, where we are, isn't

 

[killa1storm]

Randy did it after a 5-7 season

Basically. If you have a vision to sell recruits will buy in.

Muschamp is basically selling 'we were 11-2 the year before, then we had a rash of injuries. The one coordinator we had that sucked we got rid of him, next year we're back to winning 10 games.' Now I ain't buying the ****, but that's the selling point. As well as tons of playing time in the SEC, that's apparently been a big one on the trail. A lot of recruits want to play in the SEC. Basically, its selling dreams.

exactly. Not sure why people think they bought Holley.

Selling early playing time and the ability to bring back a CFB powerhouse is pretty enticing, not to mention good gameday atmosphere etc.

Its easy to recruit when you're on top and when you're on the bottom. Being stuck in purgatory, where we are, isn't

I wouldn't say Miami is stuck in purgatory, but you make a good point.

Recruiting is easiest when you're at the bottom or at the top. If you're at the bottom you can sell early playing time, being 'the man' to bring program back, being the class that brought a school back, etc. When you're at the top you can sell winning championships, the NFL, coaches that will prepare you, etc. It's much harder to recruit when you're that in between program because you can't really sell championships and prestige but you can't sell angles like PT either, it's tough.

 

[ssj4cane]

IMO Florida is the best job in the country. Thank god a clown like Muschamp is running the show and not a real HC. I'm **** glad a guy like Strong didn't end up there.

 

[tokengator]

Didn't OSU hire Johnson? May not be over.

He won't consider OSU. He said he did not like how meyer handled his recruitment. I think there is article on ESPN with more detail about it.

 

[Winky is Wright]

Florida has its worst season in 15 years, their Head Coach is on the Hot seat and they pull

Gerald Willis (LSU HEAVY lean)
Thomas Holley (Penn State/OSU Battle)
Jalen Tabor (Alabama/Arizona battle)
Brandon Powell (Miami commit)
Eric Lauderdale (Tennessee commit)

and have a shot with

Makenzie
Adoree Jackson
and Lorenzo Carter.

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So much for the "win and they'll come" philosophy

 

[Hurracanes]

Randy did it after a 5-7 season

Basically. If you have a vision to sell recruits will buy in.

Muschamp is basically selling 'we were 11-2 the year before, then we had a rash of injuries. The one coordinator we had that sucked we got rid of him, next year we're back to winning 10 games.' Now I ain't buying the ****, but that's the selling point. As well as tons of playing time in the SEC, that's apparently been a big one on the trail. A lot of recruits want to play in the SEC. Basically, its selling dreams.

Muschamp is handling recruiting the right way. In order to be a good recruiter you have to be able to sell your program and its direction. Florida should have very little problems bringing in Defensive players since Florida's Defense has been ranked among the best in College Football the last 5years. On the Offensive side, Florida is fixing its problems by bringing in a new Offensive coordinator and trying new things. It makes sense.

Unfortunately for Miami, this the third year under Mark D'Onoforio and its Defense was ranked 90th in total Defense. We run a conservative, zone, and complexed Defense that is not appealing to many recruits, especially South Florida prospects. Just look at the difference between 1998 and 1999 when we changed coaches and the scheme. Miami's Defense in 99 was far superior than it was in 98 because it was simple and aggressive. Kudos to Butch for pulling the trigger and firing his friend after the 1998 season. Bleep Golden for being stubborn and putting his friend before the University.

 

[tokengator]

That's what happens when you fire the coordinator that's not doing his job and hire a promising new one... You can sell recruits on what's possible

But holley plays on the dline. Not offense lol

that's PUNCI the DUNCI's logic there

I get what he is saying. The UF staff (or any staff) has to sell dreams and part of that is selling the idea of the program going in the right direction. After a 4-8 season that right direction part is kind of difficult, but the firing of a coach in the problem area and the hiring of a guy that seems to know what he is doing goes a long way to help sell the "right direction" part.

 

[ssj4cane]

That's what happens when you fire the coordinator that's not doing his job and hire a promising new one... You can sell recruits on what's possible

But holley plays on the dline. Not offense lol

that's PUNCI the DUNCI's logic there

I get what he is saying. The UF staff (or any staff) has to sell dreams and part of that is selling the idea of the program going in the right direction. After a 4-8 season that right direction part is kind of difficult, but the firing of a coach in the problem area and the hiring of a guy that seems to know what he is doing goes a long way to help sell the "right direction" part.

UF just went to a BCS game and were hit with a ton of injuries. Miami hasn't been in 10 years. A coach can easily sell the injury factor and a new OC. If he sucks again this year he might get canned but if he doesn't it will be a tougher sell to recruits.

 

[tokengator]

and several of the posters are correct -- UF was his 2nd choice but the coaches he had a relationship with at his first choice are no longer there so he picked florida.


Per his unlce:

“He was comfortable with the (old) Penn State staff, but now that everybody is gone he had to move on to his second,” said Holley’s uncle, Scott Benjamin. “It was a very close race between Florida and Penn State and he felt that it would take too long to build those other relationships with the new staff so he’s going to Florida.”