Fletcher to the Rescue

[Pearson704]

TVD is sucking the life out of this team

Does Mario have the balls to give up on him though and roll with Emory.

He probably should for the future of this program and to keep the rest of the team bought in

But I doubt he will

He hasn't been healthy and needs to check down more often.

 

[Angry Ibis]

The GT blunder will always look god awful and be a stain on Mario. Then performing well now now has nothing to do with a boneheaded decision coasting the players a game.

We could be looking back at the end of the year and say we could be playing for the ACC, but for, an imbecile coaching decision. (I doubt that happens with the games ahead of us, unless something dramatically changes on offense and coaching)...

 

[Pearson704]

There are posters here who said we would go 6-6. Welp.
There are posters here who said we would go 7-5. Welp.

We are a 8-4/9-3 team and are playing like it and I’m okay with that. We can build on this. That GT blunder doesn’t look so bad after seeing how they did UNC last night.

I’m not happy with the win but I’m not going to apologize for it. Lol. We are about where we should be at this point in the season. We are a horrible coaching blunder from being 7-1. I’ll take it.

No.

We are a stubborn QB away from being 7-1 if not undefeated. If Tyler isn't forcing the football and taking points off the board, games aren't as close and there is no kneeling controversy; we play defense and execute certain aspects of the offense at a fairly high level.

The team may be a little better than 8-4 when it's all said and done, but our QB play/leadership has been abysmal at times and disproportionately impactful to winning.

 

[insaneinthecane]

ok. so u do a line of cocaine. 'It didn't feel as good feel as good as it should" Is it weak? YES!

 

[Jassid82]

The GT blunder will always look god awful and be a stain on Mario. Them performing well now has nothing to do with a boneheaded decision coasting the players a game.

I was taking it from the perspective that losing to GT in any fashion doesn’t look that bad. That wasn’t FAMU we lost to. I’m not excusing it. We should be 7-1 and that’s Mario’s fault.

 

[BS85]

Allen and Fletcher combined for 8 broken tackles yesterday, RBs have had 15 total on the entire year before last night which is shockingly bad and worst in the ACC.

 

[Jassid82]

No.

We are a stubborn QB away from being 7-1 if not undefeated. If Tyler isn't forcing the football and taking points off the board, games aren't as close and there is no kneeling controversy. We play defense and execute certain aspects of the offense at a fairly high level.

The team may be a little better than 8-4 when it's all said and done, but our QB play/leadership has been so abysmal and disproportionate in its impact on winning thus far.

You guys are doing the “Colin Cowherd” on me. The “well I have new information so my prediction has changed now” cop out. Most of us had us pegged at 8-4 or 9-3. We are still on track for that. I’m not going to change my stance.

 

[407cane]

Allen and Fletcher combined for 8 broken tackles yesterday, RBs have had 15 total on the entire year before last night which is shockingly bad and worst in the ACC.

something that i'm interested if anyone knows

is broken tackle rate correlated to yards before contact?

most RB's get credit for breaking tackles at the LOS and most are arm tackles by DT/DE that they then get by.

if our OL is opening up the holes and RB's are going longer without being touched then i wonder if it negates the broken tackle metrics

 

[OldhamA]

It’s called the Mario Cristobal effect.

This offense looks nothing like it did the first 4 games this season. They look worse with every passing week.

Mario’s fingerprints are all over our game plan. How do you keep on trying to run against 8 and nine men blitzing fronts? It’s sheer madness.

When we passed on 1st down, we had consistent success. Yet Mario insists on running on 1st down, 2nd down, and then that forces a QB that is already suffering from a lack of confidence into continuous 3rd and long situations. That’s a recipe for disaster.

No long passes downfield. Anyone telling me that we’re calling the same plays as earlier this season, and not being ultra conservative on s full of *****.

I mean it's very clear that Dawson and Cristobal know that TVD is absolutely shot, so they're taking the game out of his hands as much as possible.

Much like they tried to protect their FR QB last week with (too many) screen passes.

I don't blame them, TVD is an abomination right now - although I do blame them for not benching him.

 

[OldhamA]

Allen and Fletcher combined for 8 broken tackles yesterday, RBs have had 15 total on the entire year before last night which is shockingly bad and worst in the ACC.

To be fair, Chaney has yet to see an arm he doesn't want to get tackled by.

 

[Pearson704]

You guys are doing the “Colin Cowherd” on me. The “well I have new information so my prediction has changed now” cop out. Most of us had us pegged at 8-4 or 9-3. We are still on track for that. I’m not going to change my stance.

Nah...

You can check my prediction and posts. I'm not "most of us" nor part of the 'herd'; far more concerned with how []__[] play each snap than playing Mrs. Cleo in August.

Saying we would be 8-4 before the season started is well within boundaries for this space but it's really kinda asinine to me, b/c what happens is dudes hedge, play results and argue all season long to justify their prediction. A large proportion of the dialogue here is based on defending preseason predictions and egos irrespective of what the team actually puts on film each weekend.

It's gotta look a certain way and pass the eye test irrespective of the record (which will be reflective of how we play over the long run).

 

[ArchersFury]

Allen and Fletcher combined for 8 broken tackles yesterday, RBs have had 15 total on the entire year before last night which is shockingly bad and worst in the ACC.

Backs up the eye test big time we put way to much pressure on the OL to open up gaping holes.

It could be a problem if we start checking down to backs in the passing game they need to make at least one guy miss if you’re going to play that way.

 

[Pearson704]

Backs up the eye test big time we put way to much pressure on the OL to open up gaping holes.

It could be a problem if we start checking down to backs in the passing game they need to make at least one guy miss if you’re going to play that way.

Some posters were saying we had the best RB room in the country earlier this season but, with all due respect, the offense would look different with an elite back.

I would say, based on the make-up of this team, an elite RB is the number one priority. He would extend drives, change defensive alignments, and allow more ball control that ultimately keeps our defense off the field. You can get creative as Guidry has to scheme around personnel on defense but there's no way to manufacture an elite RB.

 

[Umbra]

There are posters here who said we would go 6-6. Welp.
There are posters here who said we would go 7-5. Welp.

We are a 8-4/9-3 team and are playing like it and I’m okay with that. We can build on this. That GT blunder doesn’t look so bad after seeing how they did UNC last night.

I’m not happy with the win but I’m not going to apologize for it. Lol. We are about where we should be at this point in the season. We are a horrible coaching blunder from being 7-1. I’ll take it.

2 ways of looking at it. We beat GT and it shows we've beaten 2 teams that beat UNC who has looked less and less good each week. Being undefeated at this point would have been genuinely possible which makes it hurt more in my opinion.

 

[Pearson704]

I mean it's very clear that Dawson and Cristobal know that TVD is absolutely shot, so they're taking the game out of his hands as much as possible.

Much like they tried to protect their FR QB last week with (too many) screen passes.

I don't blame them, TVD is an abomination right now - although I do blame them for not benching him.

They are managing and helping him, b/c he's not managing the game well right now.

 

[grover]

There were a lot of positives to take from this game.

Bain continues to dominate like no Freshmen ever should. I queued in on him on multiple plays, and he is the most fluid defender I can recall. He's like a martial arts master where he'll change moves on you mid-dance based on the counter you show. I personally believe Bain's performance elevates (maybe even shames a little) the other front 7 and makes them all better players.

Kiko has his best performance last week vs Clemson, then goes out and has a new best performance. He's starting to be as disruptive as Bain in the middle. He makes good reads and hits the gaps with force. And you can't discount what the DTs are doing, all of them. They're getting hands on guys on the way to the ball carrier, and not letting anyone block out our LBs. That's so much harder to do than what Manny asked of them. Very sound fundamentally.

I hate our offense. Hate it as much as when Rosier was at QB. Opposing defenses can load the box and even the safeties can cheat forward. That said, we're still winning the bro battle in the second half and especially the 4th quarter. We do tire out our opponents. The real question is if/when will Dawson use his vertical concepts and other ways to spread the field? It could be a powerful combination if we could hit Harrell just once or twice a half on a deep route.

The 800-pound gorilla negatives are QB play and offensive play-calling. I believe we have CHOSEN to be one dimensional. It is intentional. That could be because of TVD, Dawson, Mario or more likely some combination of the three. I'm not a route expert, but I have to believe if you spread 5, someone will be open enough for even an injured TVD to hit him. Doing bunch sets with a blocking tight end and extra lineman seems to play right into defenders' game plans.

Our defense can probably hold NC State and BC to 4 scores. But I don't have confidence it is good enough to hold FSU and UL to under 30. Which means we need more production from our offense to keep winning. Something has to give.

 

[JMG]

It’s called the Mario Cristobal effect.

This offense looks nothing like it did the first 4 games this season. They look worse with every passing week.

Mario’s fingerprints are all over our game plan. How do you keep on trying to run against 8 and nine men blitzing fronts? It’s sheer madness.

When we passed on 1st down, we had consistent success. Yet Mario insists on running on 1st down, 2nd down, and then that forces a QB that is already suffering from a lack of confidence into continuous 3rd and long situations. That’s a recipe for disaster.

No long passes downfield. Anyone telling me that we’re calling the same plays as earlier this season, and not being ultra conservative on s full of *****.

What about the 1st and 10 pass play where we just got into UVA territory - TVD dramatically under throws that ball to Restrepo and it gets picked off?

 

[JHallCanes]

With TVD’s arm strength in question, I’d love to see our TE used in the short pass game more often. Or at least make them stretch the middle of the field and then get the ball to our playmakers (Restrepo or Brashard Smith) on some underneath routes.

However, I don’t like the sample size I’ve seen with our TE plays (poor route-running, dropped passes, whiffing on blocks, running in motion into the RB) and they just aren’t trustworthy.

I’m missing all of the successful plays made by Brevin Jordan and Will Mallory.

 

[FTPCaneFan4Life]

Was awesome to see Fletcher do well, especially after the fumble. Mario's blueprint is showing progress. He's talked of making team tougher and they are. He trusted in the team's toughness by taking it to overtime and bullying wins out. Past 15 years + when played we've been on wrong side of losses. We're a few plays from undefeated right now. Injury reports aren't really a thing but seems they're trusting trenches and a hurt TVD to manage the game. He's probably hurt more than we know but can't have turnovers like this anymore.
The team isn't perfect but definitely physically and mentally tougher than years past. We've probably had more 10 point comebacks this year than last 5. [BGCOLOR=initial]I'd rather win ugly games then get blown out at home. Let's get healthy, better, and keep stacking talent. [/BGCOLOR]

 

[k9cane]

I mean it's very clear that Dawson and Cristobal know that TVD is absolutely shot, so they're taking the game out of his hands as much as possible.

Much like they tried to protect their FR QB last week with (too many) screen passes.

I don't blame them, TVD is an abomination right now - although I do blame them for not benching him.

that's my view(and I was of the belief that we needed, or should have, started Emory another week vs UVA), that at a certain point, the blame has to go to those who keep trotting out TVD knowing his physical state. Right now, he is really limiting and hand-cuffing this offense