Find the ever-obnoxious "win/win" with the next coach

[Stingarov]

HBK, Yearby, Berrios, McDermott, Linder, Chad Thomas, Courtel Jenkins.

Anyone coach without total **** for brains would see that as an opportunity to jump at imo.

 

[LuCane]

I honestly cannot remember a more frustrating season in the last 25 years. The reason is because I feel horrible for the players. When team leaders told me last year they basically shrugged at the core "philosophy" they were fed each day, I began that line of questioning. Some of those guys would do **** near anything they're asked to do. Worse yet, I think we have a number of NFL players on our current squad. Specifically, for some of you who came at me last year when I said the same thing, here are guys I think will play in the NFL next season:

Duke
Walford
Flowers
Feliciano
Pierre may get a Luther Robinson-type look and might hang around some practice squads
Chickillo will get a look
Gunter will play

That's nearly 1/3 of our 1st teamers who I think will get some work in the NFL. And, we're hanging them out to ****ing dry on Saturdays.

Dont forget denzel, he has busted his ***, he wil definately be playing in the league

Ha. He's a possible 2nd rounder next year DESPITE the coaching staff. I thought I had added him.

Dont forget Philip Dorsett...

Wait til next years group of juniors add to the list. We will truly understand how much of an abomination Golden was.

And, another. I simply forgot Dorsett. So, 9 of our 22. Cool. 9 of our 22 will have various levels of interaction with the NFL. Only 1 or 2 are serious fringe guys. If I weren't completely disgusted today, I'd do a comparison chart of other teams in the ACC. I figure I know how that'd end, but would be interesting to see.

 

[TriStarCane]

Dont forget denzel, he has busted his ***, he wil definately be playing in the league

Ha. He's a possible 2nd rounder next year DESPITE the coaching staff. I thought I had added him.

Dont forget Philip Dorsett...

Wait til next years group of juniors add to the list. We will truly understand how much of an abomination Golden was.

And, another. I simply forgot Dorsett. So, 9 of our 22. Cool. 9 of our 22 will have various levels of interaction with the NFL. Only 1 or 2 are serious fringe guys. If I weren't completely disgusted today, I'd do a comparison chart of other teams in the ACC. I figure I know how that'd end, but would be interesting to see.

Duke and Denzel are two of the BEST players at their position in the past 10 years at this school. That's real. Duke is going to be in the top 3 for all major running back statistics and it won't even be noticed. It was a complete waste under this staff. I feel awful for guys like them. Denzel is probably the best linebacker we've had since Beason and will only be remembered as the anchor of the worst defense in Miami history. **** it!

 

[Canesfan1899]

Mark stoops should be at the top of our list!

 

[UMFarArcher]

Everyone is talking about coaching replacements. Rightfully so. I've already read how we can't "pay" certain coaches and how others are out of reach. When we hired Randy Shannon, we missed out on Patterson (TCU). When we hired Al Golden, we missed out on Kevin Sumlin.

Why can't we talk about offering a coach an exchange of benefits?

Different than when Al Golden replaced Randy Shannon, we have a decently talented football team. We can discuss the various assets (and I think there are plenty), but I'll focus on two: Chad Thomas and, of course, Brad Kaaya. These are potential college superstars who happen to be True Freshman.

Do we have an enormous budget? No. Can we pay a decent amount? Yes. But, here's what this post is about and what I hope we focus on:

Miami has always been a launching point for players and coaches. While some have said someone like Mark Stoops is looking for a bigger payday than we can provide, has anyone actually talked to him about his bigger, long-term goals? Does he eventually want to grow into an NFL coach (where the real money and challenges may lie)? If he does, Miami provides the players, brand and potential national stage to launch someone like him into the NFL stratosphere.

In this scenario, an aggressive coach does everything on the field to get us back into the national spotlight and eventually to the top. We have all of the talent resources available within miles of the school, as everyone knows. We already have a foundation in place.

And, that, everyone, is the direction and leverage I hope we use this time around. Back to our roots, please. Aggressive on all fronts.

Lu, we haven't been a launching point for coaches in a long time.

If we get a young up-and-comer, they all get bitten by the same bug - someone waves cash in their faces (especially the NFL) and they're gone. Poof.

I agree we need an aggressive coach. One that can get us back in the national spotlight. One that can pull us all the way to the top.

AND, not only get us back to our roots, but set the high mark for Miami roots.

Butch Davis. And he won't be bolting for the NFL>

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Different than when Al Golden replaced Randy Shannon, we have a decently talented football team. We can discuss the various assets (and I think there are plenty), but I'll focus on two: Chad Thomas and, of course, Brad Kaaya. These are potential college superstars who happen to be True Freshman.

Don't want to be a party pooper but that reason alone may buy Golden more time.
Unlike Shannon who had no future studs in wings and packed it in recruiting wise his last year, Golden is has the 2 aforementioned linchpins as well some other young talent like Yearby and Berrios. His 2015 recruiting class also has some studs.
But it all depends on how the Admin views on owing Golden something due to the Shapiro fiasco. If they feel like they do, they may give him some more time and a last chance to win with these young studs.

Also, if your basis for luring in a top coach is to point at what he will inherit you also have to consider the Kaaya transferring if Golden leaves.
Qbs and out of state players seem like the more likely to transfer.

Given all this only way the admin pulls the trigger on Golden is if they have a top coach in mind that they feel will take the Miami job if they were to fire Golden cause the alternative of Golden getting fired without a coach in hand may be less desirable than keeping Golden, at least until the Kaaya/Chad era ends.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

I don't know why any top coach who had other viable options would come here, given the stadium situation.

I know all about local talent. But more than anything I'm a believer in the big picture. I don't think the Dolphins or Canes will ever win anything of significance as long as that stadium is the home venue. That was my position the first time I saw it, many months before it officially opened. Unfortunately the Canes were dense enough to ignore all the evidence among 20+ seasons.

Maybe we could get a Jim Mora type, somebody who fell out of favor but was actually a quality coach in disguise.

 

[TreOFive]

If we hire some schlub who thinks this is some lifetime appointment, I'm gonna lose it.

Didnt we just do that with AG?

 

[bobbydigius]

Everyone is talking about coaching replacements. Rightfully so. I've already read how we can't "pay" certain coaches and how others are out of reach. When we hired Randy Shannon, we missed out on Patterson (TCU). When we hired Al Golden, we missed out on Kevin Sumlin.

Why can't we talk about offering a coach an exchange of benefits?

Different than when Al Golden replaced Randy Shannon, we have a decently talented football team. We can discuss the various assets (and I think there are plenty), but I'll focus on two: Chad Thomas and, of course, Brad Kaaya. These are potential college superstars who happen to be True Freshman.

Do we have an enormous budget? No. Can we pay a decent amount? Yes. But, here's what this post is about and what I hope we focus on:

Miami has always been a launching point for players and coaches. While some have said someone like Mark Stoops is looking for a bigger payday than we can provide, has anyone actually talked to him about his bigger, long-term goals? Does he eventually want to grow into an NFL coach (where the real money and challenges may lie)? If he does, Miami provides the players, brand and potential national stage to launch someone like him into the NFL stratosphere.

In this scenario, an aggressive coach does everything on the field to get us back into the national spotlight and eventually to the top. We have all of the talent resources available within miles of the school, as everyone knows. We already have a foundation in place.

And, that, everyone, is the direction and leverage I hope we use this time around. Back to our roots, please. Aggressive on all fronts.

I agree with this and have thought this way for a while. The thing that scares me though is that we need to be proactive here, something we have proven time in again that we just aren't. When Al took over our roster was almost completely barren, yeah we had a couple guys here and there but the majority of Randy's talent left in 2010. So when we looked for a replacement, there just wasnt much going for the program, as the talent was gone and we all know about our other deficiencies in other areas by now.

I wont even give Al credit here because its like pointing out the least foul pile of ****, but the one thing he did do better than Randy is that he has maintained a level of recruiting, and his last and third class was his best one on paper, and what appears on the field thus far. We have talent here, enough talent to compete and make a BCS bowl considering our schedule. That with the fact that program has in fact improved different things since he has been a coach. We have a new athletic center and we finally finally got a training table. As you said there are resources available that this time around make this job attractive, but we have to add quickly because Al's schtick has been exposed and his recruiting will start to fall off. If we wait too long we will end up in the same spot as we did win Randy was fired, a depleted program with no resources that nobody worth a **** wants to take on. Lets not waste Chad and Kaaya.

Now because of our lack of resources in certain areas, we are a program that is gonna be stuck in being in a coaching carousel constantly. Whether its because the coach failed or succeeded. If we suck then the coach will get fired, if we are good the coach will move on to bigger challenges and more money. Its up to the higher ups to show some competence, which in reality isnt very reassuring thought.....

 

[kmwcane]

I don't know why any top coach who had other viable options would come here, given the stadium situation.

I know all about local talent. But more than anything I'm a believer in the big picture. I don't think the Dolphins or Canes will ever win anything of significance as long as that stadium is the home venue. That was my position the first time I saw it, many months before it officially opened. Unfortunately the Canes were dense enough to ignore all the evidence among 20+ seasons.

Maybe we could get a Jim Mora type, somebody who fell out of favor but was actually a quality coach in disguise.

Again with this stadium nonsense... Miami was elite during the 80s-00s because of Schnelly, Jimmy, Dennis and Butch combined with great players that those coaches put into position to win. Has nothing to do with where the games were played.

Miami is not winning anything of significance because of poor coaching, it is that simple. Playing in the Orange Bowl would not make Golden a better coach, just like it did not help Coker or Shannon. Just like it did not help anyone before Schnelly i.e. Lou Saban, Pete Elliott, Fran Curci, etc...

The great Miami coaches and players made the Orange Bowl, not the other way around.

 

[Canesfan1899]

Completely agree about how frustrating this season has been.

I see so much talent being wasted and misused. We have a talent like duke Johnson that has been stuck on mediocre teams and it makes me sick.

 

[hoover437]

I want butch, Tommy or Mark. Give me someone with history to keep the growing pains to a minimum. We have a ton of talent that can come in the next few years. We need someone who has relations already. Butch could be a great stop gap!!! Like now, too bad Shalala is still here.

 

[Joecane]

This season is painful to watch

I honestly cannot remember a more frustrating season in the last 25 years. The reason is because I feel horrible for the players. When team leaders told me last year they basically shrugged at the core "philosophy" they were fed each day, I began that line of questioning. Some of those guys would do **** near anything they're asked to do. Worse yet, I think we have a number of NFL players on our current squad. Specifically, for some of you who came at me last year when I said the same thing, here are guys I think will play in the NFL next season:

Duke
Walford
Flowers
Feliciano
Pierre may get a Luther Robinson-type look and might hang around some practice squads
Chickillo will get a look
Gunter will play

That's nearly 1/3 of our 1st teamers who I think will get some work in the NFL. And, we're hanging them out to ******* dry on Saturdays.

Exactly. The most painful thing to me is we have become stripped of our identity. I had a friend try to tell me the last time we were good was when jacory was our qb. His argument "we were ranked." I was furious. Almost ended up like an AQM situation but since I'm not an athlete I probably would've skated.

There are no good qualities about this guy and the program he runs right now. People say "he's a good recruiter" but a major component of recruiting is evaluation which he has been awful at. Despite his deficiencies, we've managed to get a great collection of individual talent but are minimizing their use. Out of the Big 5* DEs in the 2014 class (Carter, Myles G., Thomas, and Featherson) Thomas is doing the least. Go figure.

And honestly, our 2014 class was a result of a loaded south Florida year and coley reeling in a **** of quarterback. I heard golden cane out of the reilly gibbons in home saying "This is the best in home I've ever had" And we all know how that story ended. That sequence sums up his tenure here, a guy in over his head.

 

[Joecane]

Different than when Al Golden replaced Randy Shannon, we have a decently talented football team. We can discuss the various assets (and I think there are plenty), but I'll focus on two: Chad Thomas and, of course, Brad Kaaya. These are potential college superstars who happen to be True Freshman.

Don't want to be a party pooper but that reason alone may buy Golden more time.
Unlike Shannon who had no future studs in wings and packed it in recruiting wise his last year, Golden is has the 2 aforementioned linchpins as well some other young talent like Yearby and Berrios. His 2015 recruiting class also has some studs.
But it all depends on how the Admin views on owing Golden something due to the Shapiro fiasco. If they feel like they do, they may give him some more time and a last chance to win with these young studs.

Also, if your basis for luring in a top coach is to point at what he will inherit you also have to consider the Kaaya transferring if Golden leaves.
Qbs and out of state players seem like the more likely to transfer.

Given all this only way the admin pulls the trigger on Golden is if they have a top coach in mind that they feel will take the Miami job if they were to fire Golden cause the alternative of Golden getting fired without a coach in hand may be less desirable than keeping Golden, at least until the Kaaya/Chad era ends.

 

[Dwinstitles]

BD

 

[Joecane]

Everyone is talking about coaching replacements. Rightfully so. I've already read how we can't "pay" certain coaches and how others are out of reach. When we hired Randy Shannon, we missed out on Patterson (TCU). When we hired Al Golden, we missed out on Kevin Sumlin.

Why can't we talk about offering a coach an exchange of benefits?

Different than when Al Golden replaced Randy Shannon, we have a decently talented football team. We can discuss the various assets (and I think there are plenty), but I'll focus on two: Chad Thomas and, of course, Brad Kaaya. These are potential college superstars who happen to be True Freshman.

Do we have an enormous budget? No. Can we pay a decent amount? Yes. But, here's what this post is about and what I hope we focus on:

Miami has always been a launching point for players and coaches. While some have said someone like Mark Stoops is looking for a bigger payday than we can provide, has anyone actually talked to him about his bigger, long-term goals? Does he eventually want to grow into an NFL coach (where the real money and challenges may lie)? If he does, Miami provides the players, brand and potential national stage to launch someone like him into the NFL stratosphere.

In this scenario, an aggressive coach does everything on the field to get us back into the national spotlight and eventually to the top. We have all of the talent resources available within miles of the school, as everyone knows. We already have a foundation in place.

And, that, everyone, is the direction and leverage I hope we use this time around. Back to our roots, please. Aggressive on all fronts.

Lu, we haven't been a launching point for coaches in a long time.

If we get a young up-and-comer, they all get bitten by the same bug - someone waves cash in their faces (especially the NFL) and they're gone. Poof.

I agree we need an aggressive coach. One that can get us back in the national spotlight. One that can pull us all the way to the top.

AND, not only get us back to our roots, but set the high mark for Miami roots.

Butch Davis. And he won't be bolting for the NFL>

We will always be a launching point with the talent available to us. Not too long ago people were worried Golden was going to get scooped up and he had done jack and ****.

 

[edge]

The fact of the matter is the roster is very desirable this time around and facilities are much better. When Shannon was hired he was like plan E. When Golden was hired the situation was not much better. Who knows what exactly happened with Gruden, but with this roster he would be more likely to come now. Not that he would but again much more appealing this time around.

 

[Biscuits]

When team leaders told me last year they basically shrugged at the core "philosophy" they were fed each day, I began that line of questioning.

Lu, expound.

 

[OldhamA]

Dont forget denzel, he has busted his ***, he wil definately be playing in the league

Ha. He's a possible 2nd rounder next year DESPITE the coaching staff. I thought I had added him.

Dont forget Philip Dorsett...

Wait til next years group of juniors add to the list. We will truly understand how much of an abomination Golden was.

And, another. I simply forgot Dorsett. So, 9 of our 22. Cool. 9 of our 22 will have various levels of interaction with the NFL. Only 1 or 2 are serious fringe guys. If I weren't completely disgusted today, I'd do a comparison chart of other teams in the ACC. I figure I know how that'd end, but would be interesting to see.

Isn't Waters a Junior? He'll play in the league.

I've had this discussion with a few Panthers fans. Basically this roster is incredibly talented - to be 3-3 and playing the brand of football we do is an absolute joke.

 

[supacane]

Different than when Al Golden replaced Randy Shannon, we have a decently talented football team. We can discuss the various assets (and I think there are plenty), but I'll focus on two: Chad Thomas and, of course, Brad Kaaya. These are potential college superstars who happen to be True Freshman.

Don't want to be a party pooper but that reason alone may buy Golden more time.
Unlike Shannon who had no future studs in wings and packed it in recruiting wise his last year, Golden is has the 2 aforementioned linchpins as well some other young talent like Yearby and Berrios. His 2015 recruiting class also has some studs.
But it all depends on how the Admin views on owing Golden something due to the Shapiro fiasco. If they feel like they do, they may give him some more time and a last chance to win with these young studs.

Also, if your basis for luring in a top coach is to point at what he will inherit you also have to consider the Kaaya transferring if Golden leaves.
Qbs and out of state players seem like the more likely to transfer.

Given all this only way the admin pulls the trigger on Golden is if they have a top coach in mind that they feel will take the Miami job if they were to fire Golden cause the alternative of Golden getting fired without a coach in hand may be less desirable than keeping Golden, at least until the Kaaya/Chad era ends.

You're posts are almost as unbearable as Golden's press conferences.