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Fan support for Cristobal?

CDWright40 said:
I didn't read this thread but if people are mad about having Mario leading our program I don't think there is a path forward to communicating with them. He is in no way perfect. He has led this program to our best season in 20 + yrs last year and trending toward a similar season this year. Our recruiting is just slightly behind the elite programs, but blowing away the ACC. Our financial position and NIL is better than can be expected- what more do you want and who is going to give it to you?
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Facts are word salads for the Mario Haters
 
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DoctorKrazey said:
College football is changing more and more every year, and it’s becoming similar to the NFL model. Mario even addressed this topic recently in an interview. In this model, I believe Mario would absolutely excel and be one of the best “GM’s” in college football. Let him focus on talent acquisition, keeping the money flowing, etc. and hire top notch X’s and O’s folks to run the offense/defense. Basically, he would have one job…. “Get us DUDES, that’s it.” In all seriousness, I do think Mario has a really good eye for talent.
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he'd have to let go of his vision firrst. this is his vision in the run game. this is what he envisioned his team to look like.

hes a GM as you said. we need an actual coach especially as there is more parity now and Xs and Os do matter more just like in the NFL
 
If we all agree the spending will decrease if Mario goes then we all already know the root of our issues for the last 20 years

And if we win 9 or more games this year im cool with Mario, it seems like we’re finally a serious program. May have real contending years here and there
 
DoctorKrazey said:
College football is changing more and more every year, and it’s becoming similar to the NFL model. Mario even addressed this topic recently in an interview. In this model, I believe Mario would absolutely excel and be one of the best “GM’s” in college football. Let him focus on talent acquisition, keeping the money flowing, etc. and hire top notch X’s and O’s folks to run the offense/defense. Basically, he would have one job…. “Get us DUDES, that’s it.” In all seriousness, I do think Mario has a really good eye for talent.
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I agree with this but even in the above model he would have to find someone to make in game coaching decisions and to help with scheming the opposition. This is why I'm in favor of Mario hiring an AHC who has been a successful HC to fill that role. I don't think it's as far fetched as some may think.
 
FrancisSawyer said:
I agree with this but even in the above model he would have to find someone to make in game coaching decisions and to help with scheming the opposition. This is why I'm in favor of Mario hiring an AHC who has been a successful HC to fill that role. I don't think it's as far fetched as some may think.
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To replace Dawson?
 
The reality is the very few top coaches, aren't leaving their jobs. You are rolling the dice on trying to hit with a up and Comer. Kiffin and Franklin are the obvious B guys. I personally wouldn't hire either. Kiffin actually has 2 daughters at Ole Miss now with his ex back with him there. If he wins tomorrow they are likely playoff bound and he is out of the picture. UF and FSU's are in tough spots. Info already leaked Drinkwitz doesn’t want the UF job. Leaked, Freeman and Brohm only interested in the NFL, if they leave their current jobs. Dillingham (FSU) doesn’t want to leave his alma mater yet, if they give the financial support. If Kiffin turns down UF, it's a Franklin who I don't believe they hire or a dice roll on another riser. Would Key leave his alma mater? I expect the Golesh's, Lashlee's level guys to come into play. I have Fran in this group, but his mouth is so controversial, I think it's a problem for him. We could do a lot worse than Mario. Especially afterr the last 18 years we have experienced. I already see the ending, years from now.
 
Cane30 said:
The reality is the very few top coaches, aren't leaving their jobs. You are rolling the dice on trying to hit with a up and Comer. Kiffin and Franklin are the obvious B guys. I personally wouldn't hire either. Kiffin actually has 2 daughters at Ole Miss now with his ex back with him there. If he wins tomorrow they are likely playoff bound and he is out of the picture. UF and FSU's are in tough spots. Info already leaked Drinkwitz doesn’t want the UF job. Leaked, Freeman and Brohm only interested in the NFL, if they leave their current jobs. Dillingham (FSU) doesn’t want to leave his alma mater yet, if they give the financial support. If Kiffin turns down UF, it's a Franklin who I don't believe they hire or a dice roll on another riser. Would Key leave his alma mater? I expect the Golesh's, Lashlee's level guys to come into play. I have Fran in this group, but his mouth is so controversial, I think it's a problem for him. We could do a lot worse than Mario. Especially afterr the last 18 years we have experienced. I already see the ending, years from now.
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Weeks ranked in the Top 10 of the AP poll since the beginning of 2024: 19

Weeks ranked in the Top 10 of the AP poll from 2006 through 2023 (18 full seasons): 18

We can do a lot worse than Mario. Ask our little sisters up north.
 
90scane said:
To replace Dawson?
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No this would be an addition and this coach would be under Mario but oversee everything else. His main responsibility would be what I stated above. An Associate Head Coach basically. This would free Mario up to do what he is best at doing. Accumulating talent, building and maintaining the OL and being the CEO of Miami football.
 
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One thing I’d like to point out.

Recruiting connected to three things:
Money
Available spots
Talent evaluation

Coker likely started to have money issues after OSU

Available spots - butch suffered from this while others failed to fill spots due to bad roster management under mid 2000s rules

No one will ever forget Kyle Wright or the DNo safety running with cement shoes.


With those said:
Mario has the money printers working. Win and they likely get bigger.

Spots are not an issue and we now can land 105 kids with no real limits per class due to the portal.

Mario has been dang good evaluating talent. The one ding: he maybe assumes a flanker can play X, ot can play og, and 3t play NT. All are true but not many can do that at an elite level.
 
STG said:
You have your stuff twisted my man and are seriously confused. Nobody is melting down over Louisville. Did you glance past me speaking over and over about Mario constantly losing as a double digit fave and fave, period? Louisville is simply another data point in that trend.

And nobody is moving a **** thing. He is 4-6 against ranked opponents since being HC at UM at the time those games were played. That is already bad. I even said it's worse when you look at where some opponents ended there seasons and still gave the 4-6. But anyone with common sense would look at where a team finishes the season. Because if FSU ends the season at 5-7, that ain't no **** ranked team.

Either way, he has a losing record against ranked opponents while at UM. But hey, keep digging to find a reason to defend.
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Brother, you've been crying about Mario after every game this season. One quick search for posts under your name and it's like the guy ran over your dog or something.

They are 4-6 in his time as head coach (I like that you included a completely meaningless bowl game to further your point, that is good stuff) and they are 3-0 this season, so we gotta fire him because the team sucked three years ago?

Can you at least concede that the program has come a long way during his tenure? Can we agree that we are in a much better spot than we have been at any point during the last 20 years?

I get it, more financial support, and that definitely matters. But if a three-point loss to a good team on a day when your QB throws four egregious interceptions is Mario's fault, then you ain't ever gonna be convinced that we have come a long way.
 
MikeyCanez said:
Brother, you've been crying about Mario after every game this season. One quick search for posts under your name and it's like the guy ran over your dog or something.

They are 4-6 in his time as head coach (I like that you included a completely meaningless bowl game to further your point, that is good stuff) and they are 3-0 this season, so we gotta fire him because the team sucked three years ago?

Can you at least concede that the program has come a long way during his tenure? Can we agree that we are in a much better spot than we have been at any point during the last 20 years?

I get it, more financial support, and that definitely matters. But if a three-point loss to a good team on a day when your QB throws four egregious interceptions is Mario's fault, then you ain't ever gonna be convinced that we have come a long way
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Did you actually take the time to read what I have written? Or just cherry picking for your Avenger defense?

I stated that Mario has absolutely raised the floor and that the program is in a much better place since he arrived. But that doesn't take away all the ugly warts he brings.

And in typical Mario Avenger mode, you don't like that I included an actual real game that was actually played. I am sure you would be stating it was meaningless if he had won. Again, stick to the facts. You don't get to pick and choose which one's you want to use for your Avenger defense.

In addition, I have not called for Mario to be fired. Once again, if you actually read you will see that I stated that. However, I did state I would prefer a different HC to lead this program because I know Mario is not capable of leading us to the very top.

I also like that you mentioned it was only "a three point loss" to Ville as if the final score was indicative of that game. Was the FSU game only a "6 point win" or was that a game we really didn't have control of? See how that argument is flawed?
 
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STG said:
Did you actually take the time to read what I have written? Or just cherry picking for your Avenger defense?

I stated that Mario has absolutely raised the floor and that the program is in a much better place since he arrived. But that doesn't take away all the ugly warts he brings.

And in typical Mario Avenger mode, you don't like that I included an actual real game that was actually played. I am sure you would be stating it was meaningless if he had won. Again, stick to the facts. You don't get to pick and choose which one's you want to use for your Avenger defense.

In addition, I have not called for Mario to be fired. Once again, if you actually read you will see that I stated that. However, I did state I would prefer a different HC to lead this program because I know Mario is not capable of leading us to the very top.

I also like that you mentioned it was only "a three point loss" to Ville as if the final score was indicative of that game. Was the FSU game only a "6 point win" or was that a game we really didn't have control of? See how that argument is flawed?
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Miami was within 3 points with 7:37 left
Fsu was within a td with 15 seconds left

We played like crap last Friday for most of the game
Play calls were questionable and beck was confused all night
 
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STG said:
Did you actually take the time to read what I have written? Or just cherry picking for your Avenger defense?

I stated that Mario has absolutely raised the floor and that the program is in a much better place since he arrived. But that doesn't take away all the ugly warts he brings.

And in typical Mario Avenger mode, you don't like that I included an actual real game that was actually played. I am sure you would be stating it was meaningless if he had won. Again, stick to the facts. You don't get to pick and choose which one's you want to use for your Avenger defense.

In addition, I have not called for Mario to be fired. Once again, if you actually read you will see that I stated that. However, I did state I would prefer a different HC to lead this program because I know Mario is not capable of leading us to the very top.

I also like that you mentioned it was only "a three point loss" to Ville as if the final score was indicative of that game. Was the FSU game only a "6 point win" or was that a game we really didn't have control of? See how that argument is flawed?
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Fair enough. Your take is a bit more nuanced. I am not sure I fully understand how "calling for him to be fired" and "preferring a different head coach" aren't the same thing. But fair enough.

That game against Iowa State could not have meant less, win or lose. Cam didn't even play the whole game. I truly do not care whether or not we ever win a bowl game outside of the playoffs again. With opt outs and everything else, they are glorified scrimmages. Fun but not indicative of anything.

It isn't about the point differential to be clear, but there is absolutely a difference between Florida State needing a touchdown, then an onside kick recovery, then another touchdown to win and being 30 yards away from beating Louisville outright.

You are right, Mario has plenty of warts and a **** track record and Brohm was the better coach on Friday, but coaching isn't why we lost that game. Our quarterback gave away nearly 40% of our possessions and with dudes running open on **** near all of them, I ain't laying that at Dawson or Mario's feet.

We can revisit this in a month and if he is who you thought he was, you can take a victory lap. But my overarching point is that I don't think that loss was a good example of horrible coaching.
 
MikeyCanez said:
Fair enough. Your take is a bit more nuanced. I am not sure I fully understand how "calling for him to be fired" and "preferring a different head coach" aren't the same thing. But fair enough.

That game against Iowa State could not have meant less, win or lose. Cam didn't even play the whole game. I truly do not care whether or not we ever win a bowl game outside of the playoffs again. With opt outs and everything else, they are glorified scrimmages. Fun but not indicative of anything.

It isn't about the point differential to be clear, but there is absolutely a difference between Florida State needing a touchdown, then an onside kick recovery, then another touchdown to win and being 30 yards away from beating Louisville outright.

You are right, Mario has plenty of warts and a **** track record and Brohm was the better coach on Friday, but coaching isn't why we lost that game. Our quarterback gave away nearly 40% of our possessions and with dudes running open on **** near all of them, I ain't laying that at Dawson or Mario's feet.

We can revisit this in a month and if he is who you thought he was, you can take a victory lap. But my overarching point is that I don't think that loss was a good example of horrible coaching.
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It will debated on here for a decade to come
While he is coaching miami
He could have zero, 1 or 2 NC and people will complain all the same
They have to be right
 
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