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F^ck Around and Find Out - Encouraging Signs, But Overwhelmingly Concerning Performance

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jnf2257 said:
The criticism for the defense is fair. Far too harsh on the OL. It was a bad night and we racked up 500 yards of offense. We scored touchdowns on basically every had to have it drive. OL play is hard in this era of the portal and incredible defensive lines littered throughout the country. This was a bad night for a still elite OL, compared to the rest of college football.
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I’m only critical because I expect more.

In year 3 of a Mirabal/Cristobal OL with all upperclassmen and a reigning TF All-American, I expect to be able to run the ball with a bit more consistency. When’s the last time we saw the starting OL generate a massive hole like VT’s did all game? Ball State?

The push up front isn’t working with the inside zone. It’s fine for 3rd and 1, not 2nd and long or 1st and 10. Have to introduce more stretch plays, more misdirection, more tosses to get these athletic bodies moving in space. Look what happened when we ran the reverse with Mauigoa out in space!

I was led to believe our Running game would be more pin and pull based, so far I haven’t seen much of it since UF. A majority of our running plays are between the tackles.

Mirabal and Mario know OL, so I trust it’ll improve…but it’s hard to look at any of the metrics and say the OL is playing well. Cam is erasing a lot of issues with his ability to improvise and scramble.
 
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WeBallinBoyz said:
I’m only critical because I expect more.

In year 3 of a Mirabal/Cristobal OL with all upperclassmen and a reigning TF All-American, I expect to be able to run the ball with a bit more consistency. When’s the last time we saw the starting OL generate a massive hole like VT’s did all game? Ball State?

The push up front isn’t working with the inside zone. It’s fine for 3rd and 1, not 2nd and long or 1st and 10. Have to introduce more stretch plays, more misdirection, more tosses to get these athletic bodies moving in space. Look what happened when we ran the reverse with Mauigoa out in space!

I was led to believe our Running game would be more pin and pull based, so far I haven’t seen much of it since UF. A majority of our running plays are between the tackles.

Mirabal and Mario know OL, so I trust it’ll improve…but it’s hard to look at any of the metrics and say the OL is playing well. Cam is erasing a lot of issues with his ability to improvise and scramble.
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That's all fair. I just think it's also important to compare the OL to those around the country and not just our own expectations. At the end of the day the stats and production do not lie. Until last night we were one of the best teams in America protecting the QB and were running the ball overall fine with too much inconsistency down to down.

This OL with Rivers is good enough to win a CFP. It's better than Washington and Alabama's OL from last year.
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
I’m only critical because I expect more.

In year 3 of a Mirabal/Cristobal OL with all upperclassmen and a reigning TF All-American, I expect to be able to run the ball with a bit more consistency. When’s the last time we saw the starting OL generate a massive hole like VT’s did all game? Ball State?

The push up front isn’t working with the inside zone. It’s fine for 3rd and 1, not 2nd and long or 1st and 10. Have to introduce more stretch plays, more misdirection, more tosses to get these athletic bodies moving in space. Look what happened when we ran the reverse with Mauigoa out in space!

I was led to believe our Running game would be more pin and pull based, so far I haven’t seen much of it since UF. A majority of our running plays are between the tackles.

Mirabal and Mario know OL, so I trust it’ll improve…but it’s hard to look at any of the metrics and say the OL is playing well. Cam is erasing a lot of issues with his ability to improvise and scramble.
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This is how I see it: Dawson (with Ward’s play-extending ability) does a great job scheming open receivers. But when it comes to the run game, there’s not enough being done to create open lanes. We need more creativity and misdirection to get the run game going.
 
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Re: run blocking. Our biggest issue might be that our coaches want and expect a level of blocking that our guys just aren’t capable of. Dawson has done a good job of transitioning to a “pass to set up the run” offense but our run game is still very deliberate and one note. We still play with super tight line splits and do nothing with our receivers to move defenders away from the box.

Virginia Tech didn’t have success running the ball because they overwhelmed our defense with their line. They used a ton of misdirection and motion to get guys going one way and then ran it in the opposite direction. They spread our defense out and made us cover the whole field. They attacked the edges with tosses and screens to get moving blockers out in front. We do none of this.

Considering what we call, the run game is effective just not dominating. IMO we put too much emphasis on the offensive line winning their one on ones. And even then we’re still running into 7 man fronts 90% of the time.
 
They have been trying to play porter at nickel this year and he seems to be better outside. In the 4th they finally put him back outside and had Richard playing nickel
 
Theres nothing about this team that “concerns” me

We sat here for months discussing exactly what we thought our issues were and that’s exactly what we are seeing

I guess if I had something that has surprised me is the lack of running but this was going to be a pass first offense

The team will go as far as Cam Ward takes us and that shouldn’t surprise any of us
 
Hoyacane1620 said:
Richards and Alston were just flat out awful. Ironically, Richards led the team in tackles. Must be tackles from behind as the guys ran by him...
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Richard is flat is out awful period. Zero reason for the kid to see meaningful snaps moving forward. Alston had his worst game in a Miami uniform but has been solid overall thus far. The Bain injury hasn't helped since he's having to play more than he probably expected
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
Despite how wildly-eye opening this game was from a multitude of levels, the age old saying “a win is a win” reigns true. It cost a few years off my life, but through 5 weeks of ball, there’s only 26 undefeated teams in America. We’re one of them, so salute to that. Also, **** VT. Just had to get that out there, bunch of trash-talking punks that got what they deserved.

Let’s start with the alarm bells screeching from this game before I finish up with the positives.

***Defense***

We entered last night top 10 in stuff rate, line yards and run defense, as well as #2 nationally in creating chaos and top 5 in havoc. That went poof and dissipated into thin air.

Credit to VT’s OC. VT fans wanted this guy fired a few days ago, but he was masterful in using Guidry’s aggressiveness against him. We were flat out on skates, completely biting on misdirections, motion, slipping on open field tackles and taking horrible angles on the outside pitch.

DL outside of Barrow and Mesidor (and Bryant) were not good at all on Friday. The most concerning thing to me, is the lack of depth. All that clamoring for Moten, for Justin Scott…yeah, not ready for conference play. Moten most likely will never be, he’s not a Miami-caliber DT; no disrespect to him, I’m sure he’s a wonderful person. But he’s not good enough to hold up here. He’s got misleading metrics against the run in garbage time, but bad tackling grades…as a DT. VT has a banged up, below mediocre OL and they absolutely whipped us tonight. Baron was kept very much in check and whiffed on a slew of tackles. Alston was horrible. We desperately need Bain back to solidify our pass rush. They punted ONCE all game.

If we play defense like we did tonight, Jeff Brohm will carve us like a Thanksgiving Turkey.

It’ll be a reincarnation of last season, they’ll legit drop a 40 burger. Have to be better, have to generate a more consistent pass rush, and finish when we surround the QB. Going into the season, we all knew our secondary was weak, that a good DL should mitigate that issue…we saw what’ll happen if the pass rush doesn’t get home. Time to include pictures so the audience stays engaged and for my visual learners out there.

This secondary is…not good. Richard is had a rough one and hasn’t really excelled at all this season.

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Not sure what’s up with DPJ. He’s been flat out bad this season and if he’s our #1 corner, then you know this group lacks talent. Coverage has been an issue, tackling is **** poor, bad angles and busted plays everywhere.

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And don’t think getting Damari back will significantly help, because UF was targeting him from the get-go back in week 1, with success too.


Mish Powell had his worst game by far, and has regressed considerably since the opener at UF with regards to pretty much everything. Most importantly IMO, the tackling and coverage were god awful tonight.

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Jaden Harris was atrocious before getting hurt. If you notice a theme here, we did not tackle particularly well on Friday night.

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Kiko…man two underwhelming performances in a row. At least he defended the run and tackled fine against USF. Tonight he was just flat out horrifying.

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He really gets exposed working sideline to sideline in pass coverage, now he’s having trouble tackling (especially in space). I thought USF was a bad performance from him, this was 10x worse. We’re still missing that LB that closes down with impeccable athleticism and hits you hard, yet isn’t reckless in his pursuit. The complete backer if you will. Popo is showing positive signs, but still needs to keep improving.

Hopefully, the young guys can develop…because the current veterans just simply aren’t good enough to take you deep into the playoffs.


***Offense***

Offensively, the OL just isn’t as good as we’ve been led to believe. It’s not just the run blocking (although I will focus on that shortly); it’s the depth (or lack thereof), it’s the inconsistency, it’s the lack of push.

Markel Bell isn’t ready to hold up in conference play. He had a tough task tonight and was given an absolute bs penalty on that George TD, but he’s extremely stiff and gets off balance rather easily. The frame is there, but he still needs work…a lot of it.

Cooper struggled for the first time this season in pass pro, absolutely worked by Peebles (no slouch at DT fwiw). Usually an elite pass blocker, he got whipped.

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We’re definitely missing Rivers, and our OL is clearly better at pass pro than run blocking. There simply seems to be something missing.

I know we’re not allowed to criticize Mirabal on here and someone is going to say “but we were averaging over 200 ypg rushing before coming into tonight”…but look at what your eyes tell you. A lot of those yards come in garbage time against backup DL’s. Tonight, it was the worst it’s been all season.



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So Ward is making the pass blocking look better than it really is…

You guys see that run blocking? That was the first four games of the season. Hasn’t been above a 72.3…against Ball State. 64.5 is gross against USF. Peek at the column next to it. Weird how the RB performances actually look pretty good…far exceeding the blocking.

So when people say Martinez isn’t it, he has no wiggle, Fletcher and Lyle are way better…well you guys are idiots and have a different agenda instead of properly analyzing what’s going on. Sorry.

Damien Martinez doesn’t just go from a 1400+ yard back to “garbage”. So maybe, just maybe…it’s a combination of his style of running not being a great fit here (least of the three problems), the run game being very vanilla in general (bigger problem), and also…the run blocking being straight booty juice (biggest problem).

Coming into today, Martinez averaged 4.8 ypc (not bad) despite having an OL that was an average (at best) P4 run blocking unit. He still managed to get it working in the 2H despite the OL getting blown off the ball. His running style isn’t explosive, it’s that he can wear down a defense and punish linebackers and corners in space for yards after contact. That’s kind of hard to do when every run play is between the tackles (no chance to bounce out in space), and the defense is already in the backfield.

And he’s STILL averaging over 3 yards after contact…despite this horrid OL. That’s just my two cents there.

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A fair bump in run success can be attributed to Cam’s scrambling when VT inexplicably took away the spy on D, but pretty stark difference for a “trash” RB…

So that was gross, but there are plenty of good things to take from this game.

- Cam is special. Even on an off night and the probably the worst decision-making he’ll make all year, he willed us to victory. Enjoy every snap. He’s a true Heisman contender.

- X will go down as one of the best collegiate receivers in Miami’s history. I get that he won’t be the same guy in the pros. I don’t care. He embodies the will and tenacity of this fanbase to be great again. His hands are SUPERB. Like Cam, enjoy every snap.

- A healthy Arroyo is truly a weapon, and I don’t think he’s nearly come close to his potential. He’s up there in the betting market as one of the top 8 contenders for the Mackey Award, much-deserving.

- Malik Bryant is deserving of a few more snaps off the edge

- Old Miami teams would have quit here. They would have folded, shriveled up, kept getting gashed and worn down. Somehow, someway, we pulled it out. We got kicked in the balls repeatedly, and still kept coming.


VT talked a ridiculous amount of trash all game, they ****ed around and found out.

We had our typical “we’re so good we’re winning the Natty” parade on this board and nearly ****ed around and found out.

Make no mistake - if we play like this against Louisville, we will lose. If we play like this against GT, we will lose. Enjoy the W but flush it, and move on to Cal. Similarly pesky team, with a QB that will want to beat his hometown school.

Let this be a lesson to take no game for granted.
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Mainly glad JR25's grades match the tape.

Re: youth, I am still high on JS98 & OJF29 of the other young bucks.
 
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Allabouttheu95 said:
Neg me downvote me all you want

This isn’t a good football team.
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Do y'all really watch College Football? We have a good ball club. What we still lack is the top end talent and depth of the Bama's, UGAs of the world. With that being said if we turn the ball over and have injuries in key spots of course it looks bad. But this is the best team we've had in years.
 
E1k said:
I dont have thw snap counts but it seems Richards has taken snaps away from oj and i cant understand it, maybe practiced better?
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My only thought is his size against the rush offense VT was rolling out. But I have no idea. OJ shouldn’t leave the field at this point until Brown is back.
 
JHallCanes said:
Theres nothing about this team that “concerns” me

We sat here for months discussing exactly what we thought our issues were and that’s exactly what we are seeing

I guess if I had something that has surprised me is the lack of running but this was going to be a pass first offense

The team will go as far as Cam Ward takes us and that shouldn’t surprise any of us
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Thank you!!! I hate to see the cry baby post about issues that have been discussed all off season.
 
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