ESPN's Miami Spring Wrap

[Consigliere]

I understand why you looked at ACC only numbnuts. there are other ways of normalizing for schedule differences. one is by using statistical models (such as Sagarin) that rank schedules

there is a large gap between what the 2 coaches had to face in terms of average schedule difficulty

That is my point, since the OOC changes so much every year AND it is impossible to say how Coach X does against 2011 Team Y simply eliminate this variable and compare the constant. Since we disagree on whether or not this makes sense, we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Not Jammi,btw.

I like Chud. he got a raw deal in the NFL. I think he overachieved with that team and they still let him go. Butch would be another option, but that would be up to the administration. My point is, I'm not sure if there is a quick-fix coach available, so let's give this guy his time and we'll send him to kick rocks if it doesn't pan out. I also think there are fair points in Andrea's brief post-spring wrap. This team is likely to win 7-9 games, but very unlikely to win 10+.

Smart man. Overachieved, the Browns strategy was to dump (trade Richardson for a first rounder) and he still was able to win 4 games (with how many injuries at QB) too. He got 1 year, under a dump strategy and was fired for no reason.

Chud is my guy, he is my #1 realistic option. You bring him in (knows Miami too) and he could get that offense firing day 1. I think he could also be a good leader of the program.

As for Butch, I don't think he is important to discuss simply for the fact that that current admin will never touch him. Hence, he is not realistic.

I think this team (during the regular season) will win 8-10 games depending on the QB.

I think Butch is realistic for a couple of reasons.

1. Most of the Board members that Butch ****ed over have left.

2. Donna knows that she is one more bad hire away from losing the fan base permanently.

3. He already expressed interest in January when it looked like the job was going to be available.

4. He would be unbelievably cheap and that will be his strongest selling point to the administration.

5. The call from the loyal fans to rehire him, especially after Louisville rehiring Petrino, will be deafening and the administration will finally need to bend to the fans.

6. He would reinvigorate national attention and locally he's still respected and liked by the coaching staffs. He'd be a recruiting juggernaut.

7. His teams were mostly legal issue free and still had a high graduation rate. The administration would love it.

8. The biggest thing holding him back would be the NCAA mess at UNC. His name wasn't even mentioned in the findings, but he's still pretty tainted. This where the administration would need to grow a pair and hire him anyway. A 5 game losing streak to FSU, no bowl wins since Coker, and embarrassing attendance make this hire a must. The administration will see this and have to hire him.

 

[AsylumGodfather]

Reality Checks:

- Al bought himself two years with the option to fire Onofrio after this year as the scapegoat to buy him a last reprieve.
- The man has a contract that runs to Feb. 2020. I'm not sure Shalala and the trustees would want to buy that out.
- This team, while filled with more depth and impressive young talent, is likely to get worse before it gets better.
- Inexperienced RS-Fr QBs don't often fair well in their first season (sans Jameis).

Curious Question: Even if Al could be replaced, who would you want to replace him? Who is available? (Try to be realistic.)

BUTCH DAVIS!!!!

 

[cane305]

Last year we were all predicting a double digit win season and thought the team was better than it was.

this year we are all predicting a 500 season and think the team is worse than it was.

 

[CanesFan93]

Last year we were all predicting a double digit win season and thought the team was better than it was.

this year we are all predicting a 500 season and think the team is worse than it was.

Honestly doesn't make any sense. This fan base is coocoo. Less talent in 2013 with horrible starters on defense and inconsistency from Morris lead us to 9 wins. 2014 with an average schedule, considerably more talent, a good RB situation if Duke/Yearby is healthy, and a should-be better defense that adds depth at DT, S, and LB is supposed to be 7-5. SMH

 

[TrueCane100]

Donna is a bad hire from losing the fan base??? What fanbase

 

[CaneAlmighty]

3. Depth at linebacker. Coach Al Golden said one of the biggest accomplishments his team made this spring was building depth at linebacker. Miami hopes to count on all-ACC performer Denzel Perryman (now in the middle), along with Alex Figueroa, Raphael Kirby, Thurston Armbrister, Jermaine Grace, JaWand Blue and early enrollee freshmen Juwon Young and Darrion Owens.

Add the depth in the secondary and this could be the deepest the back 7 has been since 2003/2004.

And if Wyche and Hertoulu can come in and solidify the 2 deep rotation then we talkin legit defensive depth unseen in a while.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Donna is a bad hire from losing the fan base??? What fanbase

The fan base that is fed up with mediocrity and isn't encouraged that a turnaround is imminent. The fans that still attend games and generate money for the school in a variety of ways. That fan base. With the assumption that Golden does not rise to the occasion this year and is fired, if she makes another bargain hire she will lose an enormous portion of the fans for good. Abysmal attendance aside, the fans still generate an enormous amount of revenue for the university and she doesn't want to lose that.

 

[umfire]

Couple things:

1. Shalala will not bend to us. She didn't bend to the president of the NCAA. And she also happens to be the best President we have ever had at this university.

2. Golden's seat is not even remotely warm, for better or worse and I can't see anyway Butch is ever brought back.

3. I am not here to discuss Shannon... But last game at the OB = worst loss in UM history for me

4. Olsen has yet to take a single meaningful snap (and that Spring game is just this side of useless to make any comments regarding his abilities)

5. I see no reason to believe our D is nearly as bad as last year. We have upgraded our talent and depth at every position.

6. Our stable of RBs is miles better than last year. Yearby as the 2nd back instead of Crawford is a huge upgrade. We will also have a glorified GL back (Tucker).

Obviously, with a completely virgin QB any record is on the table. I think 9-3 sounds about right. We will have a much better feel when Fall practice ends.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Couple things:

1. Shalala will not bend to us. She didn't bend to the president of the NCAA. And she also happens to be the best President we have ever had at this university.

2. Golden's seat is not even remotely warm, for better or worse and I can't see anyway Butch is ever brought back.

3. I am not here to discuss Shannon... But last game at the OB = worst loss in UM history for me

4. Olsen has yet to take a single meaningful snap (and that Spring game is just this side of useless to make any comments regarding his abilities)

5. I see no reason to believe our D is nearly as bad as last year. We have upgraded our talent and depth at every position.

6. Our stable of RBs is miles better than last year. Yearby as the 2nd back instead of Crawford is a huge upgrade. We will also have a glorified GL back (Tucker).

Obviously, with a completely virgin QB any record is on the table. I think 9-3 sounds about right. We will have a much better feel when Fall practice ends.

Agree with everything except #1, #2, and #5. She depends on us for revenue in a way she doesn't depend on Emmert and in this scenario, she is the owner of a business who has unhappy customers. She will bend to us if 10,000 people are going to the games. She is, at least for academic standards, the best president the school has ever had.

Golden's seat is hot, but the thing that heated it up is the Penn State issue. Golden made her look like a fool that couldn't control her employees and her comment to the media of, "We don't know anything yet." when he was missing speaks to that. She is still furious with him. Add that in with his shortcomings as a football coach and his decision to retain D'Onofrio and it certainly is warm. This is his make or break year and 7-5 or worse while not winning the Coastal will get him fired. As far as Butch goes, he'll be a cheap option that would thrill the fans, bring wins, keep players mostly legal issue free, and reinvigorate national attention. Donna wasn't even at the school when he left. She, theoretically, should have no angst with Butch. He might actually get the job by default.

Just as you see no reason to believe the defense will be as bad last year, I see no reason to think it will be as improved as you think it will be. Talent and depth are wonderful, but a scheme that still does not play to their strengths and puts them in a disadvantageous position will continue to be a hindrance. Couple that with still mediocre DT play depending on if Wyche can be a savior, average pass rush, and improved offensive competition, I'm not as optimistic as you are. The defense could go from #89 to #30 and it may very well go from #89 to #70. We'll know after the first four games.

Points #3, #4, most of #6, and your additional note are hitting the nail right on the head.

 

[umfire]

Couple things:

1. Shalala will not bend to us. She didn't bend to the president of the NCAA. And she also happens to be the best President we have ever had at this university.

2. Golden's seat is not even remotely warm, for better or worse and I can't see anyway Butch is ever brought back.

3. I am not here to discuss Shannon... But last game at the OB = worst loss in UM history for me

4. Olsen has yet to take a single meaningful snap (and that Spring game is just this side of useless to make any comments regarding his abilities)

5. I see no reason to believe our D is nearly as bad as last year. We have upgraded our talent and depth at every position.

6. Our stable of RBs is miles better than last year. Yearby as the 2nd back instead of Crawford is a huge upgrade. We will also have a glorified GL back (Tucker).

Obviously, with a completely virgin QB any record is on the table. I think 9-3 sounds about right. We will have a much better feel when Fall practice ends.

Agree with everything except #1, #2, and #5. She depends on us for revenue in a way she doesn't depend on Emmert and in this scenario, she is the owner of a business who has unhappy customers. She will bend to us if 10,000 people are going to the games. She is, at least for academic standards, the best president the school has ever had.

Golden's seat is hot, but the thing that heated it up is the Penn State issue. Golden made her look like a fool that couldn't control her employees and her comment to the media of, "We don't know anything yet." when he was missing speaks to that. She is still furious with him. Add that in with his shortcomings as a football coach and his decision to retain D'Onofrio and it certainly is warm. This is his make or break year and 7-5 or worse while not winning the Coastal will get him fired. As far as Butch goes, he'll be a cheap option that would thrill the fans, bring wins, keep players mostly legal issue free, and reinvigorate national attention. Donna wasn't even at the school when he left. She, theoretically, should have no angst with Butch. He might actually get the job by default.

Just as you see no reason to believe the defense will be as bad last year, I see no reason to think it will be as improved as you think it will be. Talent and depth are wonderful, but a scheme that still does not play to their strengths and puts them in a disadvantageous position will continue to be a hindrance. Couple that with still mediocre DT play depending on if Wyche can be a savior, average pass rush, and improved offensive competition, I'm not as optimistic as you are. The defense could go from #89 to #30 and it may very well go from #89 to #70. We'll know after the first four games.

Points #3, #4, most of #6, and your additional note are hitting the nail right on the head.

Shalala can raise 50 million in donations without breaking a sweat... You can rest assured that Um football, which btw has never, even in the best of our years, been anything close to a cash cow, will not force her hand economically

Again, perhaps you know more than I do regarding shalala's feelings toward Golden as it pertains to his interview with PSU, but I can virtually guarantee you that in no way will a 7-5 season cost Golden his job.

 

[canezhonkey]

lost me at Louisville........ no way they're any good without tb!!!!

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Couple things:

1. Shalala will not bend to us. She didn't bend to the president of the NCAA. And she also happens to be the best President we have ever had at this university.

2. Golden's seat is not even remotely warm, for better or worse and I can't see anyway Butch is ever brought back.

3. I am not here to discuss Shannon... But last game at the OB = worst loss in UM history for me

4. Olsen has yet to take a single meaningful snap (and that Spring game is just this side of useless to make any comments regarding his abilities)

5. I see no reason to believe our D is nearly as bad as last year. We have upgraded our talent and depth at every position.

6. Our stable of RBs is miles better than last year. Yearby as the 2nd back instead of Crawford is a huge upgrade. We will also have a glorified GL back (Tucker).

Obviously, with a completely virgin QB any record is on the table. I think 9-3 sounds about right. We will have a much better feel when Fall practice ends.

Agree with everything except #1, #2, and #5. She depends on us for revenue in a way she doesn't depend on Emmert and in this scenario, she is the owner of a business who has unhappy customers. She will bend to us if 10,000 people are going to the games. She is, at least for academic standards, the best president the school has ever had.

Golden's seat is hot, but the thing that heated it up is the Penn State issue. Golden made her look like a fool that couldn't control her employees and her comment to the media of, "We don't know anything yet." when he was missing speaks to that. She is still furious with him. Add that in with his shortcomings as a football coach and his decision to retain D'Onofrio and it certainly is warm. This is his make or break year and 7-5 or worse while not winning the Coastal will get him fired. As far as Butch goes, he'll be a cheap option that would thrill the fans, bring wins, keep players mostly legal issue free, and reinvigorate national attention. Donna wasn't even at the school when he left. She, theoretically, should have no angst with Butch. He might actually get the job by default.

Just as you see no reason to believe the defense will be as bad last year, I see no reason to think it will be as improved as you think it will be. Talent and depth are wonderful, but a scheme that still does not play to their strengths and puts them in a disadvantageous position will continue to be a hindrance. Couple that with still mediocre DT play depending on if Wyche can be a savior, average pass rush, and improved offensive competition, I'm not as optimistic as you are. The defense could go from #89 to #30 and it may very well go from #89 to #70. We'll know after the first four games.

Points #3, #4, most of #6, and your additional note are hitting the nail right on the head.

Shalala can raise 50 million in donations without breaking a sweat... You can rest assured that Um football, which btw has never, even in the best of our years, been anything close to a cash cow, will not force her hand economically

Again, perhaps you know more than I do regarding shalala's feelings toward Golden as it pertains to his interview with PSU, but I can virtually guarantee you that in no way will a 7-5 season cost Golden his job.

If that was the case our endowment would not be stuck on 800 million dollars and ranked in the lower half of the conference. It may not force her hand, but it will get the ball rolling in terms of forcing her to make changes.

The point about Shalala and her feelings towards Golden are complicated. I don't want to get into source details, but you can ask the moderators and research news articles from early January to get the gist of how she feels. He made her look inept and that's one thing she will not tolerate. I'll repeat her quote released to the media when Golden was missing in action: "We don't know anything yet." When your boss is releasing statements like this, there's something very devious occurring. She's not mad about the interview itself. She's furious that he attempted to lie his way out the backdoor after seemingly leading us through NCAA issues just in time for him to look like the thought the job here was a lost cause. It hurt her image and the image of the school.

I don't know how you can say 7-5 doesn't cost him his job when reason and logic says it should. If you look at the schedule, there's a worst case scenario where we are 4-6 heading into the Virginia game. If we are 5-6 when facing Pitt, there will literally be 8,000 fans at the game. Also, Randy Shannon went 5-7, 7-6, 9-4, and 7-5 before he got fired. If Golden goes 6-6, 7-5, 9-4, and 7-5 without being fired, there will be cries of racism from the community and that's something the university cannot afford at this point. NCAA or no NCAA, he still brought in top 15 talent. Mix that with how he burned his goodwill with the administration with Penn State gate and this honestly looks like a recipe for getting fired. The only thing that I can think of that would keep him is that the school would not want to pay his buyout.

I appreciate this discussion about the direction of the program. As a sincere question, why are you so confident that 7-5 doesn't get Golden fired when it honestly should?

 

[RhythmicSlapper]

chick writer? not reading

 

[RhythmicSlapper]

10-2, 9-3 is what should happen due to teams losing a lot of talent, honestly we should be 11-1 with who we have on the team and the other teams loses

hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha

 

[Consigliere]

chick writer? not reading

Creative handle and logo but you need to get someone clever to write your posts. There are some clever people at Muslim Singles who can help.

 

[dk72]

We are much worse at QB and DT, if that was possible, and apparently it is. And unfortunately, that is where the offense and defense is built. We have the great mistake erasure known as Duke. If Duke is healthy, we have a puncher's chance against anyone on our schedule not named FSU. If Duke goes down again, we are underdogs against just about anyone.

Our defense in philosophy is a back alley abortion but overall talent is decent minus DT. Our QB position is questionable at best. That is a recipe for disaster regardless of talent at the skill positions. I'll be pleasantly surprised by anything over 7 wins. i think a good bet with us going into the season for wins is at the 7.5 mark.

We are much worse than when at QB and DT? Than last year? Absolutely not. QB, it's too early to tell. Could be a worse, could be a wash, could be better (not likely but possible). Morris was NOT a good QB last year. At DT we are better, not worse. We didn't lose anybody that was better than who we've got coming in, plus Moore has more experience and better conditioning than last year, and Hamilton is supposedly at least showing signs of being serviceable, which he wasn't last year. Hertelou and Wyche will add some experience and at least decent enough talent to replace Porter and Robinson. Pierre is still here. Moten will get at least a few snaps throughout the year, and possibly Jenkins as well.

 

[drifters1234]

Reality Checks:

- Al bought himself two years with the option to fire Onofrio after this year as the scapegoat to buy him a last reprieve.
- The man has a contract that runs to Feb. 2020. I'm not sure Shalala and the trustees would want to buy that out.
- This team, while filled with more depth and impressive young talent, is likely to get worse before it gets better.
- Inexperienced RS-Fr QBs don't often fair well in their first season (sans Jameis).

Curious Question: Even if Al could be replaced, who would you want to replace him? Who is available? (Try to be realistic.)

Regrettably, I agree. I'd love to see Butch (especially) or Chud, but I believe JG is right on the money. Golden's seat is not even warm, given that he brought us through the NCAA investigation and we just extended his contract.

I was desperately hoping he'd move on to PSU; it was that life-saving hand from nowhere, ala Mizzou and Frank Haith. But once that ship sailed, I'm afraid we are stuck with him for at least two more years.

 

[Jassid82]

We are much worse at QB and DT, if that was possible, and apparently it is. And unfortunately, that is where the offense and defense is built. We have the great mistake erasure known as Duke. If Duke is healthy, we have a puncher's chance against anyone on our schedule not named FSU. If Duke goes down again, we are underdogs against just about anyone.

Our defense in philosophy is a back alley abortion but overall talent is decent minus DT. Our QB position is questionable at best. That is a recipe for disaster regardless of talent at the skill positions. I'll be pleasantly surprised by anything over 7 wins. i think a good bet with us going into the season for wins is at the 7.5 mark.

We are much worse than when at QB and DT? Than last year? Absolutely not. QB, it's too early to tell. Could be a worse, could be a wash, could be better (not likely but possible). Morris was NOT a good QB last year. At DT we are better, not worse. We didn't lose anybody that was better than who we've got coming in, plus Moore has more experience and better conditioning than last year, and Hamilton is supposedly at least showing signs of being serviceable, which he wasn't last year. Hertelou and Wyche will add some experience and at least decent enough talent to replace Porter and Robinson. Pierre is still here. Moten will get at least a few snaps throughout the year, and possibly Jenkins as well.

Gotta disagree with you here, Fam. We are definitely looking sketchy at best at DT. We are PRAYING daily that Hertolou and Wyche turn out to be good enough. If we are depending on Moore, King, and some Tr-Fr with the schedule we have, we will be relying HEAVILY on our pass rush and our LBs to save us game to game.

I agree on the QB. Morris wasnt good overall last year. Dont know what happened to him. Just didnt step up. We dont know how good Olsen will be. Nobody knew who the **** Johnny Manziel was a few years ago unless you were from TX. Winston too. We knew he was a 5 star but thats it. As RS-Fr the light went on for them and BOOM!
How can we as a fanbase say that the same cant happen for Olsen?

 

[dk72]

We are much worse at QB and DT, if that was possible, and apparently it is. And unfortunately, that is where the offense and defense is built. We have the great mistake erasure known as Duke. If Duke is healthy, we have a puncher's chance against anyone on our schedule not named FSU. If Duke goes down again, we are underdogs against just about anyone.

Our defense in philosophy is a back alley abortion but overall talent is decent minus DT. Our QB position is questionable at best. That is a recipe for disaster regardless of talent at the skill positions. I'll be pleasantly surprised by anything over 7 wins. i think a good bet with us going into the season for wins is at the 7.5 mark.

We are much worse than when at QB and DT? Than last year? Absolutely not. QB, it's too early to tell. Could be a worse, could be a wash, could be better (not likely but possible). Morris was NOT a good QB last year. At DT we are better, not worse. We didn't lose anybody that was better than who we've got coming in, plus Moore has more experience and better conditioning than last year, and Hamilton is supposedly at least showing signs of being serviceable, which he wasn't last year. Hertelou and Wyche will add some experience and at least decent enough talent to replace Porter and Robinson. Pierre is still here. Moten will get at least a few snaps throughout the year, and possibly Jenkins as well.

Gotta disagree with you here, Fam. We are definitely looking sketchy at best at DT. We are PRAYING daily that Hertolou and Wyche turn out to be good enough. If we are depending on Moore, King, and some Tr-Fr with the schedule we have, we will be relying HEAVILY on our pass rush and our LBs to save us game to game.

I agree on the QB. Morris wasnt good overall last year. Dont know what happened to him. Just didnt step up. We dont know how good Olsen will be. Nobody knew who the **** Johnny Manziel was a few years ago unless you were from TX. Winston too. We knew he was a 5 star but thats it. As RS-Fr the light went on for them and BOOM!
How can we as a fanbase say that the same cant happen for Olsen?

I don't disagree that we are sketchy on DT. The point is we were just as sketchy, if not more so, last year. The person I was replying to claimed we are "much worse" at DT. While our DT situation is still poor, where exactly is the downgrade compared to the utter crap we had last year?