ESPN's Miami Spring Wrap

[Bigtip]

so now you're going to limit their record to vs ACC comp?

Randy took over a worse situation. his 2009 and **** even 2010 teams were much better than anything F.A.G. has put out. those two teams would kick the **** out of this team

A. You still have not answered the questions but we will move on.

B. I tried to compare two coaches by eliminating as many variables as possible. Since the OOC schedule changes every year, why not compare ACC schedules? How can I compare RS's 2010 game against OSU to Al's 2011 game to OSU? How can I compare a 2008 UF to 2013 UF? These two teams are not the same. So compare the ACC since the OOC Quality changes from year in and year out. The teams we play in the ACC are pretty consistent.

RS took over a worse situation, is this real life?

In 2007, we're still relevant (4 years from our last BCS appearance) but we had Coker's lack of recruiting.

In 2011, we're less relevant (8 years from our last BCS appearance) and we have the NCAA mess. In addition, we have the whole RS tenure which resulted in full closet of talent.

C. RS's 2009 team, RS's 2010 team. What does this matter? What world do we live in where the 2009 team can challenge the 2014 Miami Hurricane's team? Who cares anyway?

Results are based on the ***ing result not on hypothetical experiments. RS's tenure was a failure that lead to an NCAA investigation. Al's tenure is still being written.

At the end of Al's tenure, we can compare who did what and who did more. If Al doesn't win more (6-2 in the ACC, 7-1 in the ACC etc.), than he will be gone.

which question?

you are making this much harder than it is. there are plenty of measures of Strength of Schedule, and Randy's time here had a much much tougher SOS with about the same results in terms of W/L AND he didnt get completely destroyed by every single decent team that we played (like F.A.G.)

and it is very easy to compare 2010 OSU to 2011 OSU. one played in a BCS bowl (and finished top 5 or 10 iirc), the other went 6-6 with an interim HC

this isnt ***cing hard

 

[Fountain of Canes]

everybody loves to plame the coach. can someone tell me the last player we had drafted in the first round?

Agreed, We couldn't Tackle for crap last year. we just sucked up the field down the final stretch. Players were just not where they needed to be and took bad angles, terrible wrapping up. you cant blame that on coaches that's talent and poor play on the players part. everyone will see a huge increase of play this year and its not because of the coaches. but Dallas Crawford being in position rather than Highsmith looking in the backfield and completely missing guys. Figatron being dominate and not Tyrone Cornelius missing tackles. and on and on . just watch.

 

[Consigliere]

which question?

you are making this much harder than it is. there are plenty of measures of Strength of Schedule, and Randy's time here had a much much tougher SOS with about the same results in terms of W/L AND he didnt get completely destroyed by every single decent team that we played (like F.A.G.)

and it is very easy to compare 2010 OSU to 2011 OSU. one played in a BCS bowl (and finished top 5 or 10 iirc), the other went 6-6 with an interim HC

this isnt ***cing hard

Here are my questions for the third time:

Why are we comparing him to Al anyway? Compare a failure to a possible failure?

If the offense was explosive, wouldn't Al get the credit since he is the HC?

Actually I am making this easy. The OOC schedule fluctuates every year HENCE comparing two completely different schedules from year to year is extremely difficult and SUBJECTIVE.

So great RS lost to 2010 OSU. Al beat 2011 OSU.
2010 OSU > 2011 OSU
Winning > Losing

What did we learn? NOTHING. Hence you can't compare a win in 2011 to a loss in 2010. Is anyone arguing that 2011 OSU is better than 2010 OSU? Is anyone arguing that a loss is better than a win?

This is why this is stupid because there are so many different variables that it is hard to judge. When you just judge them based on the similar opponents every year (i.e. the ACC) than it is easier to compare the two.

There are no moral victories, losing by 1 point is still a FAT LOSS. So your irrelevant stat ["AND he didnt get completely destroyed by every single decent team that we played (like F.A.G.)"] is just that an irrelevant stat (regardless of the veracity).

Here is the bottom line: If Al follows RS's 4th year, he will likely be out the door pretty soon.

So now where are we, NOWHERE. This is just an utter waste of time.

 

[Jassid82]

Bigtip, we will agree to disagree. Your stance is that there is no possible way on earth that this team gets slightly better whatsoever. In fact, we will be MUCH worse then we were last year. We will actually be setback TWO years even though our main talent are Jrs and have been in the system for 3 yrs now.

And you came up with all of this in April by looking at a Spring Game and reading random reports on this site. Fine, no problem.

 

[JimiGerman]

Reality Checks:

- Al bought himself two years with the option to fire Onofrio after this year as the scapegoat to buy him a last reprieve.
- The man has a contract that runs to Feb. 2020. I'm not sure Shalala and the trustees would want to buy that out.
- This team, while filled with more depth and impressive young talent, is likely to get worse before it gets better.
- Inexperienced RS-Fr QBs don't often fair well in their first season (sans Jameis).

Curious Question: Even if Al could be replaced, who would you want to replace him? Who is available? (Try to be realistic.)

 

[Consigliere]

Curious Question: Even if Al could be replaced, who would you want to replace him? Who is available? (Try to be realistic.)

Is it you Jammi?

To answer your question...I have one REALISTIC name at the top of my list and you know him well.

He is an Alumni,
He coached here a long time,
He is available today,
He is pretty young, and
I think he would be here for awhile

Chud is my guy and I think he would want to be here too. I wanted him before AG was hired.

What are your thoughts?

 

[Jassid82]

Reality Checks:

- Al bought himself two years with the option to fire Onofrio after this year as the scapegoat to buy him a last reprieve.
- The man has a contract that runs to Feb. 2020. I'm not sure Shalala and the trustees would want to buy that out.
- This team, while filled with more depth and impressive young talent, is likely to get worse before it gets better.
- Inexperienced RS-Fr QBs don't often fair well in their first season (sans Jameis).

Curious Question: Even if Al could be replaced, who would you want to replace him? Who is available? (Try to be realistic.)

If you are the real Jammi German, much love bro, but I still havent forgiven you for Limogate. Lol. The 7-8-9 boys should have seen the light of day dammit!

Anyway, dont forget Johnny Manziel too ballin' out as a Rs-Fr.

Im not saying Olsen is either one, even though he was a big time QB out of HS, but I just dont understand people just throwing the guy under the bus and mailing in the season like they know he will not be up to par. This coming from a board that nicknamed him "Baby Jesus" and said he was our savior..

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Reality Checks:

- Al bought himself two years with the option to fire Onofrio after this year as the scapegoat to buy him a last reprieve.
- The man has a contract that runs to Feb. 2020. I'm not sure Shalala and the trustees would want to buy that out.
- This team, while filled with more depth and impressive young talent, is likely to get worse before it gets better.
- Inexperienced RS-Fr QBs don't often fair well in their first season (sans Jameis).

Curious Question: Even if Al could be replaced, who would you want to replace him? Who is available? (Try to be realistic.)

Don't say that around here. Ya mope.


Ever heard of a guy named Butch Davis?

 

[Bigtip]

which question?

you are making this much harder than it is. there are plenty of measures of Strength of Schedule, and Randy's time here had a much much tougher SOS with about the same results in terms of W/L AND he didnt get completely destroyed by every single decent team that we played (like F.A.G.)

and it is very easy to compare 2010 OSU to 2011 OSU. one played in a BCS bowl (and finished top 5 or 10 iirc), the other went 6-6 with an interim HC

this isnt ***cing hard

Here are my questions for the third time:

Why are we comparing him to Al anyway? Compare a failure to a possible failure?

If the offense was explosive, wouldn't Al get the credit since he is the HC?

Actually I am making this easy. The OOC schedule fluctuates every year HENCE comparing two completely different schedules from year to year is extremely difficult and SUBJECTIVE.

So great RS lost to 2010 OSU. Al beat 2011 OSU.
2010 OSU > 2011 OSU
Winning > Losing

What did we learn? NOTHING. Hence you can't compare a win in 2011 to a loss in 2010. Is anyone arguing that 2011 OSU is better than 2010 OSU? Is anyone arguing that a loss is better than a win?

This is why this is stupid because there are so many different variables that it is hard to judge. When you just judge them based on the similar opponents every year (i.e. the ACC) than it is easier to compare the two.

There are no moral victories, losing by 1 point is still a FAT LOSS. So your irrelevant stat ["AND he didnt get completely destroyed by every single decent team that we played (like F.A.G.)"] is just that an irrelevant stat (regardless of the veracity).

Here is the bottom line: If Al follows RS's 4th year, he will likely be out the door pretty soon.

So now where are we, NOWHERE. This is just an utter waste of time.

we are comparing them because they are back to back coaches for the same school. it is only natural. in addition some try to act like we are much better off now, which is debatable at best.

Randy played a tougher schedule - this is objective fact

they had about the same record - F.A.G. might be a game ahead. i dont feel like looking.

at best its a wash. one could argue that F.A.G. is actually worse (I would argue that)

does F.A.G. get credit for the good offense? yes i suppose so but it was done with someone else' QB. lets see what he does with his own QB. BUT the main point here is that F.A.G. is supposed to be a defensive coach, yet his defense is the worst in school history. the only reason why we havent been a 3-5 win team is because of the offense. that was my point

 

[Bigtip]

Bigtip, we will agree to disagree. Your stance is that there is no possible way on earth that this team gets slightly better whatsoever. In fact, we will be MUCH worse then we were last year. We will actually be setback TWO years even though our main talent are Jrs and have been in the system for 3 yrs now.

And you came up with all of this in April by looking at a Spring Game and reading random reports on this site. Fine, no problem.

I think the defense will be marginally better but will still get destroyed by good teams. I think the offense will struggle because of the QB. that combo spells potential disaster

 

[Bigtip]

Reality Checks:

- Al bought himself two years with the option to fire Onofrio after this year as the scapegoat to buy him a last reprieve.
- The man has a contract that runs to Feb. 2020. I'm not sure Shalala and the trustees would want to buy that out.
- This team, while filled with more depth and impressive young talent, is likely to get worse before it gets better.
- Inexperienced RS-Fr QBs don't often fair well in their first season (sans Jameis).

Curious Question: Even if Al could be replaced, who would you want to replace him? Who is available? (Try to be realistic.)

Butch.

I'd take Chud too

 

[JimiGerman]

Not Jammi,btw.

I like Chud. he got a raw deal in the NFL. I think he overachieved with that team and they still let him go. Butch would be another option, but that would be up to the administration. My point is, I'm not sure if there is a quick-fix coach available, so let's give this guy his time and we'll send him to kick rocks if it doesn't pan out. I also think there are fair points in Andrea's brief post-spring wrap. This team is likely to win 7-9 games, but very unlikely to win 10+.

Curious Question: Even if Al could be replaced, who would you want to replace him? Who is available? (Try to be realistic.)

Is it you Jammi?

To answer your question...I have one REALISTIC name at the top of my list and you know him well.

He is an Alumni,
He coached here a long time,
He is available today,
He is pretty young, and
I think he would be here for awhile

Chud is my guy and I think he would want to be here too. I wanted him before AG was hired.

What are your thoughts?

 

[OBLIVION]

I don't think it would shock anyone if we take a step back. We have underachieved for quite some time now. In large part at the coaching positions. We seem to be the only program. That finds bust @ an alarming rates.

Tons of programs over the past 10 years. Have done more, with less. Than what we have been able to pull off. I don't buy talent our schedule excuses, to be the reason why we have done poorly. I won't buy it this year either.

Plenty of teams play true frosh our RFR QB these days and they seem to not have a total set back. Will there be learning cures? Well of course there will be, but not to the extent. Guys on here are trying to take it. If any of these young guys are this horrible. Then perhaps you need to look no further than the coaches.

The guys we have on DL. Although they aren't to the standards we have known in the glory days. They are better than most in this **** conference. Again programs field way worse talent than we do @ the position.

I hear our schedule is tough. LMFAO. Everyone outside of FSU and Duke have new QB. I don't see the 2012 schedule our anything close to it.

As i said it wouldn't shock me to drop to 7-5, but the only thing that will cause that imo. Is if the coaching fails to prepare this team. Year 4 is here. You got all your recruits in your stable system (Continuity). Freshman fielding key roles is no longer around.

***** the excuses at this point. Coaches across the country deal with this stuff yearly. The great ones make it work.

 

[Cribby]

I see another 9-4 campaign

 

[Consigliere]

we are comparing them because they are back to back coaches for the same school. it is only natural. in addition some try to act like we are much better off now, which is debatable at best.

Randy played a tougher schedule - this is objective fact

they had about the same record - F.A.G. might be a game ahead. i dont feel like looking.

at best its a wash. one could argue that F.A.G. is actually worse (I would argue that)

does F.A.G. get credit for the good offense? yes i suppose so but it was done with someone else' QB. lets see what he does with his own QB. BUT the main point here is that F.A.G. is supposed to be a defensive coach, yet his defense is the worst in school history. the only reason why we havent been a 3-5 win team is because of the offense. that was my point

I am not going to argue about the schedule because you don't understand why I took the OOC out of the equation. So let's move on. You can think that RS is better than Al. Let's agree to disagree.

As for the offense, yes Al used the prior coaches QBs. Not sure why this is relevant at all either. I don't care who recruits the players JUST WIN ***ING GAMES. I don't care if we put Shalala at nosekunt, just win games!

 

[Consigliere]

Not Jammi,btw.

I like Chud. he got a raw deal in the NFL. I think he overachieved with that team and they still let him go. Butch would be another option, but that would be up to the administration. My point is, I'm not sure if there is a quick-fix coach available, so let's give this guy his time and we'll send him to kick rocks if it doesn't pan out. I also think there are fair points in Andrea's brief post-spring wrap. This team is likely to win 7-9 games, but very unlikely to win 10+.

Smart man. Overachieved, the Browns strategy was to dump (trade Richardson for a first rounder) and he still was able to win 4 games (with how many injuries at QB) too. He got 1 year, under a dump strategy and was fired for no reason.

Chud is my guy, he is my #1 realistic option. You bring him in (knows Miami too) and he could get that offense firing day 1. I think he could also be a good leader of the program.

As for Butch, I don't think he is important to discuss simply for the fact that that current admin will never touch him. Hence, he is not realistic.

I think this team (during the regular season) will win 8-10 games depending on the QB.

 

[jmbflame21]

I don't understand this fanbase. Doom and gloom 24/7 365

This team is better than last year's.
And then the 2015 team will be better than this year's.

We have a weak senior class overall, yes, but Dorsett, Scott, Walford, Feliciano, McDermott, Sandland, Pierre, Chickillo, Gunter and Perryman are a good core.
2012 class are juniors this year. You know, Duke, Tracy, Deon, Tyriq, Jenkins, Flowers, Herb, Kirby.... And all of them will be better than they were last year.
2013 class is looking good with Muhammad and Coley leading the way. CARTER, Burns, Figueroa, Grace, Edwards, Dobard ---- All played as freshmen, all will be better.
2014 freshmen class already has guys on campus that can help us right away. Darrion Owens , Juwon Young, Trent Harris, Kc McDermott and Trevor Darling. Plus Wyche who is the missing piece on D. If we were able to get him and Valentine... man... And then we have tons more reinforcements for the D arriving in the summer.

So the only question marks we have really are at QB and DT. Arguably the 2 most important positions on the team lol.
If Olsen can get his **** together over the summer, it's not too hard to be better than what Morris was last year for us...
DT is still hit or miss right now, we have to hope that Wyche lives up to the hype and can dominate and disrupt from the NT spot.




plus, no more Highsmith, Rodgers, Cornelius, Gaines, Porter, Robinson, Renfrow....----- Bunch of scrubs that will go undrafted. All those snaps will be replaced with more talented players.

 

[Bigtip]

we are comparing them because they are back to back coaches for the same school. it is only natural. in addition some try to act like we are much better off now, which is debatable at best.

Randy played a tougher schedule - this is objective fact

they had about the same record - F.A.G. might be a game ahead. i dont feel like looking.

at best its a wash. one could argue that F.A.G. is actually worse (I would argue that)

does F.A.G. get credit for the good offense? yes i suppose so but it was done with someone else' QB. lets see what he does with his own QB. BUT the main point here is that F.A.G. is supposed to be a defensive coach, yet his defense is the worst in school history. the only reason why we havent been a 3-5 win team is because of the offense. that was my point

I am not going to argue about the schedule because you don't understand why I took the OOC out of the equation. So let's move on. You can think that RS is better than Al. Let's agree to disagree.

As for the offense, yes Al used the prior coaches QBs. Not sure why this is relevant at all either. I don't care who recruits the players JUST WIN ***ING GAMES. I don't care if we put Shalala at nosekunt, just win games!

I understand why you looked at ACC only numbnuts. there are other ways of normalizing for schedule differences. one is by using statistical models (such as Sagarin) that rank schedules

there is a large gap between what the 2 coaches had to face in terms of average schedule difficulty

 

[Bigtip]

I don't understand this fanbase. Doom and gloom 24/7 365

This team is better than last year's.
And then the 2015 team will be better than this year's.

We have a weak senior class overall, yes, but Dorsett, Scott, Walford, Feliciano, McDermott, Sandland, Pierre, Chickillo, Gunter and Perryman are a good core.
2012 class are juniors this year. You know, Duke, Tracy, Deon, Tyriq, Jenkins, Flowers, Herb, Kirby.... And all of them will be better than they were last year.
2013 class is looking good with Muhammad and Coley leading the way. CARTER, Burns, Figueroa, Grace, Edwards, Dobard ---- All played as freshmen, all will be better.
2014 freshmen class already has guys on campus that can help us right away. Darrion Owens , Juwon Young, Trent Harris, Kc McDermott and Trevor Darling. Plus Wyche who is the missing piece on D. If we were able to get him and Valentine... man... And then we have tons more reinforcements for the D arriving in the summer.

So the only question marks we have really are at QB and DT. Arguably the 2 most important positions on the team lol.
If Olsen can get his **** together over the summer, it's not too hard to be better than what Morris was last year for us...
DT is still hit or miss right now, we have to hope that Wyche lives up to the hype and can dominate and disrupt from the NT spot.




plus, no more Highsmith, Rodgers, Cornelius, Gaines, Porter, Robinson, Renfrow....----- Bunch of scrubs that will go undrafted. All those snaps will be replaced with more talented players.

its as if most fans have amnesia.

the 2010 team was primed to be a BCS contender. oops. the coaching staff was terrible. and the wheels came off

the writing is on the wall with this staff.

 

[JefeGringo]

We are much worse at QB and DT, if that was possible, and apparently it is. And unfortunately, that is where the offense and defense is built. We have the great mistake erasure known as Duke. If Duke is healthy, we have a puncher's chance against anyone on our schedule not named FSU. If Duke goes down again, we are underdogs against just about anyone.

Our defense in philosophy is a back alley abortion but overall talent is decent minus DT. Our QB position is questionable at best. That is a recipe for disaster regardless of talent at the skill positions. I'll be pleasantly surprised by anything over 7 wins. i think a good bet with us going into the season for wins is at the 7.5 mark.