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[Cane Dynasty]

Randy was a **** poor HC but he was miles ahead of what we have now as far as gameday is concerned.

I'll admit AG is a better recruiter than Randy but that's about it.

 

[dk72]

Randy was a **** poor HC but he was miles ahead of what we have now as far as gameday is concerned.

I'll admit AG is a better recruiter than Randy but that's about it.

That's an opinion that many do not share, including me.

 

[Consigliere]

Randy was a **** poor HC but he was miles ahead of what we have now as far as gameday is concerned.

The guy was the worst gameday coach ever, not sure you recall his use of timeouts and clock management. Not sure you recall the coaches he surrounded himself with to implement game day strategy (i.e. Patrick Nix).

Can we move on from the former coach?

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Randy was a **** poor HC but he was miles ahead of what we have now as far as gameday is concerned.

The guy was the worst gameday coach ever, not sure you recall his use of timeouts and clock management. Not sure you recall the coaches he surrounded himself with to implement game day strategy (i.e. Patrick Nix).

Can we move on from the former coach?

He was a **** poor gameday coach. But he was better than what we have now.

 

[Consigliere]

Randy was a **** poor HC but he was miles ahead of what we have now as far as gameday is concerned.

The guy was the worst gameday coach ever, not sure you recall his use of timeouts and clock management. Not sure you recall the coaches he surrounded himself with to implement game day strategy (i.e. Patrick Nix).

Can we move on from the former coach?

He was a **** poor gameday coach. But he was better than what we have now.

We're going to have to agree to disagree.

 

[dk72]

Randy was a **** poor HC but he was miles ahead of what we have now as far as gameday is concerned.

The guy was the worst gameday coach ever, not sure you recall his use of timeouts and clock management. Not sure you recall the coaches he surrounded himself with to implement game day strategy (i.e. Patrick Nix).

Can we move on from the former coach?

He was a **** poor gameday coach. But he was better than what we have now.

No.

 

[Bigtip]

LOL

Randy did the same thing with a harder schedule and actually played defense and we saw what happened in year 4.

F.A.G. has been completely bailed out by explosive offense and poor schedule. his defense is pathetic and will continue to suck this year and barring a miracle where our QB is somehow a world beater, the offense is going to struggle

Did RS recruit after 2008? Seems like things are slightly different now in this regard. Our team was ***ing cheating under RS and we still couldn't win.

Here is RS's tenure in the ACC

07: 2-6
08: 4-4
09: 5-3 (3 Year Total 11-13 or 46%)
10: 5-3
Total: 16-16 (.50%)

Here is Al's Tenure in the ACC

11: 3-5
12: 5-3
13: 5-3
Total: 13-11 (.54%)

Always amazed that people still bring up this dudes name. Let this guy die already. Why are we comparing him to Al anyway? Compare a failure to a possible failure?

As for our explosive offense, I don't recall seeing an explosive offense. I believe we scored 27 Points during ACC play last season, not exactly EXPLOSIVE.

If the offense was explosive, wouldn't Al get the credit since he is the HC?

we have a top 5 offense and a bottom 2 defense in the ACC depending on what defensive stat you want to cherry pick we range from worst to bottom 2 or 3

GTFOH

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Randy was a **** poor HC but he was miles ahead of what we have now as far as gameday is concerned.

The guy was the worst gameday coach ever, not sure you recall his use of timeouts and clock management. Not sure you recall the coaches he surrounded himself with to implement game day strategy (i.e. Patrick Nix).

Can we move on from the former coach?

He was a **** poor gameday coach. But he was better than what we have now.

We're going to have to agree to disagree.

His Canes teams beat good teams. Something this staff has NEVER done.

To be clear we are only arguing different levels of incompetence here.

 

[4Canes]

Randy was a **** poor HC but he was miles ahead of what we have now as far as gameday is concerned.

The guy was the worst gameday coach ever, not sure you recall his use of timeouts and clock management. Not sure you recall the coaches he surrounded himself with to implement game day strategy (i.e. Patrick Nix).

Can we move on from the former coach?

He was a **** poor gameday coach. But he was better than what we have now.

We're going to have to agree to disagree.

His Canes teams beat good teams. Something this staff has NEVER done.

To be clear we are only arguing different levels of incompetence here.

You're either trolling or really bored.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

The guy was the worst gameday coach ever, not sure you recall his use of timeouts and clock management. Not sure you recall the coaches he surrounded himself with to implement game day strategy (i.e. Patrick Nix).

Can we move on from the former coach?

He was a **** poor gameday coach. But he was better than what we have now.

We're going to have to agree to disagree.

His Canes teams beat good teams. Something this staff has NEVER done.

To be clear we are only arguing different levels of incompetence here.

You're either trolling or really bored.

Maybe a little bored but still hold to my argument that ON GAME DAY our current staff is worse than the previous one.

 

[Consigliere]

we have a top 5 offense and a bottom 2 defense in the ACC depending on what defensive stat you want to cherry pick we range from worst to bottom 2 or 3

GTFOH

None of this answered any questions.

Did you read my post?

 

[bbcane]

We win 8 games max with Olsen at qb. Imo

 

[Bigtip]

we have a top 5 offense and a bottom 2 defense in the ACC depending on what defensive stat you want to cherry pick we range from worst to bottom 2 or 3

GTFOH

None of this answered any questions.

Did you read my post?

I am not a Randy supporter, it is just eye opening to compare what we've done under F.A.G. to Randy. thats why he gets brought up

did randy recruit after 2008? - yeah 2009 was pretty decent, 2010 sucked for the most part but was very strong on OL AND overall, F.A.G. had a much better team in 2011 than Randy did in 2007. that is not even debatable.

yes there was a huge dropoff in 2012 due to recruiting holes and Randy def failed overall in that area from 2010-2011 BUT it isnt really clear at this point whether F.A.G. is doing any better at recruiting AND we are losing in embarrassing fashion with a historically bad defense.

 

[Consigliere]

I am not a Randy supporter, it is just eye opening to compare what we've done under F.A.G. to Randy. thats why he gets brought up

did randy recruit after 2008? - yeah 2009 was pretty decent, 2010 sucked for the most part but was very strong on OL AND overall, F.A.G. had a much better team in 2011 than Randy did in 2007. that is not even debatable.

yes there was a huge dropoff in 2012 due to recruiting holes and Randy def failed overall in that area from 2010-2011 BUT it isnt really clear at this point whether F.A.G. is doing any better at recruiting AND we are losing in embarrassing fashion with a historically bad defense.

Here were my questions:

Why are we comparing him to Al anyway? Compare a failure to a possible failure?

If the offense was explosive, wouldn't Al get the credit since he is the HC?

As to your post above, RS the recruiter.

2011 doesn't count for Al just like 2007 shouldn't count for RS (Even though RS was EMPLOYED at the school during that 2007 season), do we have to explain why 2011 doesn't count for Al?

Both Al and RS recruited well in their first real class, but for RS (even though we were cheating) things went down south badly and he left us with our d!ck in our hand for 2011. Remember some of these highly recruited kids never amounted to anything or were thrown out of school or never even enrolled (Arthur Brown, Prince Kent, Jermaine Johnson, Kevin Nelson, Travis Williams, Tavardis Glenn, Latwan Anderson and Storm Johnson).

RS's Product is finished as well. That beastly 2008 Class produced the following:

Brandon Harris (2nd Round), Sean Spence (3rd Round), Travis Benjamin (4th Round), Tommy Streeter (6th Round nothing under RS), Brandon Washington (6th Round) and Arthur Brown (2nd Round, not at Miami).

All those other 4 and 5 Star Guys in the 2008 Class: Aldarius Johnson, Davon Johnson (nothing under RS), Ben Jones, Jordan Futch, Vaughn Telemaque, Marcus Forston, Jacory Harris, Jeremey Lewis, CJ Holton and Cookie Buchanan....what happened? I guess these players weren't so good or weren't developed or some combination.

As for Al, although we missed on some players in 2013/2014. His 2013 and 2014 classes were pretty darn good and show a lot of promise. Let's not forget that in 2012 & 2013 we had to deal with the unknown of the CLOUD.

I strongly disagree that Al isn't doing better at recruiting.


I guess you missed it before

Here is RS's tenure in the ACC

07: 2-6
08: 4-4
09: 5-3 (3 Year Total 11-13 or 46%)
10: 5-3
Total: 16-16 (.50%)

Here is Al's Tenure in the ACC

11: 3-5
12: 5-3
13: 5-3
Total: 13-11 (.54%)

In the battle of the biggest loser, RS won. RS had a losing record in the ACC after 3 years.

Beating RS isn't hard to do, but Al seems to be getting close to unemployment if he doesn't fix things in the W/L column soon.

 

[bransuperpower]

everybody loves to plame the coach. can someone tell me the last player we had drafted in the first round?

 

[Bigtip]

so now you're going to limit their record to vs ACC comp?

Randy took over a worse situation. his 2009 and **** even 2010 teams were much better than anything F.A.G. has put out. those two teams would kick the **** out of this team

 

[bobbydigius]

everybody loves to plame the coach. can someone tell me the last player we had drafted in the first round?

So we need to blame our recruiting and player development? And who would that fall on again?

 

[Cane1996]

so now you're going to limit their record to vs ACC comp?

Randy took over a worse situation. his 2009 and **** even 2010 teams were much better than anything F.A.G. has put out. those two teams would kick the **** out of this team

The 2010 team wouldn't beat the crap out of anybody. That team was damaged goods and got RS canned.

2009 Canes and 2013 Canes are probably pretty comparable.

 

[Consigliere]

so now you're going to limit their record to vs ACC comp?

Randy took over a worse situation. his 2009 and **** even 2010 teams were much better than anything F.A.G. has put out. those two teams would kick the **** out of this team

A. You still have not answered the questions but we will move on.

B. I tried to compare two coaches by eliminating as many variables as possible. Since the OOC schedule changes every year, why not compare ACC schedules? How can I compare RS's 2010 game against OSU to Al's 2011 game to OSU? How can I compare a 2008 UF to 2013 UF? These two teams are not the same. So compare the ACC since the OOC Quality changes from year in and year out. The teams we play in the ACC are pretty consistent.

RS took over a worse situation, is this real life?

In 2007, we're still relevant (4 years from our last BCS appearance) but we had Coker's lack of recruiting.

In 2011, we're less relevant (8 years from our last BCS appearance) and we have the NCAA mess. In addition, we have the whole RS tenure which resulted in full closet of talent.

C. RS's 2009 team, RS's 2010 team. What does this matter? What world do we live in where the 2009 team can challenge the 2014 Miami Hurricane's team? Who cares anyway?

Results are based on the ***ing result not on hypothetical experiments. RS's tenure was a failure that lead to an NCAA investigation. Al's tenure is still being written.

At the end of Al's tenure, we can compare who did what and who did more. If Al doesn't win more (6-2 in the ACC, 7-1 in the ACC etc.), than he will be gone.

 

[BucCANEers]

"Miami will take a step back this year."

that scared me