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Enos/Diaz Have to Pick Up Pace on Offense. We Play to slow

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OrangeBowlMagic said:
Defense hasn’t been good enough either. But just score in the redzone when you have the opportunities and both games are over way before the drives the defenses gave up.

It’s the same argument I have with people all the time. Points are not worth more in the 4th quarter. They all count the same. How bout stepping on someone’s throat when you have the chance and not leaving games up to your defense?

1st and 10 on UF 22: 3 points
1st and 10 on UF 28: 3 points
1st and 10 on UF 11: 0 points
1st and 10 on UF 31: 0 points
1st and 10 on UF 24: 0 points

Lose the game by 4

1st and 10 on UNC 25: 3 points
1st and goal on UNC 8: 0 points
1st and goal on UNC 7: 3 points
1st and 10 on UNC 28: 0 points
1st and 10 on UNC 32: 0 points

Lose the game by 3

Sorry man, that’s bad offense. Period. You had plenty of chances to take these games by the throat, and you didn’t, plus your kicker has been AWFUL. Worse than awful. I’m an offensive guy....to me, if you’ve got the ball 1st and 10 deep in your opponent’s territory in a tough rivalry game, or in a road night game in your division, you snatch souls. You don’t score a total of 12 points on 10 drives with 1st downs at or inside your opponent’s 30 yard line. That’s nowhere near good enough.
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You selected the specific drives we didn’t get any points or just a field goal correct ? because it looks a bit misleading as i know we score more tds than that near the goal line. We Do need to score more and everyone knows that and no one is disputing that.
 
brock said:
You selected the specific drives we didn’t get any points or just a field goal correct ? because it looks a bit misleading as i know we score more tds than that near the goal line. We Do need to score more and everyone knows that and no one is disputing that.
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Not nearly enough. That’s my point. That’s 10 drives in 2 games we were in scoring range and got 4 FGs. That’s awful. And listen to the staff and QB. What are they preaching? Finishing drives. Finish literally 1 more drive in each game and we’re 3-0. That’s the difference between good and great. How well do you finish drives? Bottom 10 in the country in RZ TD %. All you need to say.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Jesus. Go to bed dude.
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I will. Hopefully you'll retake statistics while I'm sleeping. I'm sure day one they'll tell you when analyzing numbers you can't say in this yes and this no when reaching a true mathematical total.

And FYI, we've outscored our three opponents 41-0 in the second quarter of our three games.

What does that mean?
 
Go Canes!! said:
I will. Hopefully you'll retake statistics while I'm sleeping. I'm sure day one they'll tell you when analyzing numbers you can't say in this yes and this no when reaching a true mathematical total.

And FYI, we've outscored our three opponents 41-0 in the second quarter of our three games.

What does that mean?
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Not sure. What’s your take on it?

Mine is that we have been outscored by our first 2 opponents during the 60 minutes we played against them. Sadly, that’s all that matters.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
LMAO. Holy **** man. It absolutely blows my mind that in today’s world with all the information we have, that people think like this. You’d have been an incredible coach in 1977.
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You're right. It's much better if their offense has the ball. Defenses never wear down, so why worry?
 
KrazyCane said:
1. I’d rather be an offense that can score quickly and then have a defense that can get you the ball back and score again...

2. Enos offense is too fckn slow for me... especially when it takes a full 30 second clock to run a play for 2 yards.

3. If we scored a touchdown every possession than it wouldn’t be an issue but lack of scoring output is worst of all time compared to how long we hold the ball.
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  1. Then you're going to lose a lot of games.
  2. It's not that the offense is slow by design. It's getting the substitution package in from the sideline, getting the plays calling in the huddle and getting the assignments right, it's making the pre-snap reads. How many times during UF were they breaking the huddle with the play clock approaching 10 seconds? How many delay of game penalties did we get? It was too new to them, they weren't ready. It's improved each game.
  3. Scoring is not even close to worst of all time. Who cares how long it took? Are you only in it for style points? We're currently ranked 40th nationally. It's not were it needs to be (particularly in the red zone) but most teams above us had the benefit of playing 2 or 3 patsies.
The offense and scoring is not the reason we've lost. We've lost because we've played stupid, both offense and defense, both players and coaches, at the most inopportune times, in game situations. Your biggest gripe is seems to be stylistic, rather than substance. This is one instance where we can truly say we haven't seen what this offense can be. If you're going to harp on anything it should be whether it gets cleaned up and they start getting results. As long as it gets cleaned up, it doesn't matter, unless you thought we were playoff bound.
 
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KrazyCane said:
Offense has definitely been the reason we lost both of our games
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With our defense you would think scoring 20+ points would get you a win more often than not. We had a lead going into 4th qt in both of our losses. We give up a 4th and 17 on the final drive against UNC. Against UF we miss a field goal, extra point, and muff a punt giving the ball back in the red zone leading to a score. End of story.
 
We're not going to peak on offense by game 2. Finishing drives is the next step in progressing from the bottom of the barrel Richt left us in but let's not discount the already gigantic step we've taken of managing to stay on the field and not being a 3 and out machine. Which is why we've found ourselves with so many RZ opportunities this year in the first place.

Our troubles in the RZ meanwhile have been partly Enos but on the players as well. Off the top of my head I can think of Clark completely blowing his assignment from the 3 yard line against UNC and letting the only possible tackler get to Harris. Otherwise he would've walked into the endzone. Against Bethune Jarren had an extremely bad underthrow to a wide open Hightower that would've kept the offense chugging along. Instead we found ourselves in third and long and Bubba ends up missing a chip shot. These mistakes will get cleaned as the players get more games in.

Could you ask for better? Of course. Do we need to get better? Of course. But let's not go into panic mode because of what the stats tell us after 2 road games with one of the youngest offenses in the country.
 
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streetja said:
We're not going to peak on offense by game 2. Finishing drives is the next step in progressing from the bottom of the barrel Richt left us in but let's not discount the already gigantic step we've taken of managing to stay on the field and not being a 3 and out machine. Which is why we've found ourselves with so many RZ opportunities this year in the first place.

Our troubles in the RZ meanwhile have been partly Enos but on the players as well. Off the top of my head I can think of Clark completely blowing his assignment from the 3 yard line against UNC and letting the only possible tackler get to Harris. Otherwise he would've walked into the endzone. Against Bethune Jarren had an extremely bad underthrow to a wide open Hightower that would've kept the offense chugging along. Instead we found ourselves in third and long and Bubba ends up missing a chip shot. These mistakes will get cleaned as the players get more games in.

Could you ask for better? Of course. Do we need to get better? Of course. But let's not go into panic mode because of what the stats tell us after 2 road games with one of the youngest offenses in the country.
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Good post and certainly fair. And I said several times in my replies on this thread that it's only 3 games and there's no reason to think the offense can't get better. But unfortunately we haven't been able to win either of our real games while the offense is going through these growing pains. Now there's zero safety net in the division, and we lost to our most hated rival. Sure as **** would've loved to somehow find a way to win those 2 games even though the offense is clearly not clicking yet. I sure as **** hope it does soon, we all do. But it wasn't good enough to win either game, and then special teams dunked it's head under water as it was gasping for breath.

Only thing I can't ride on you with is the part about taking a gigantic step towards staying on the field. I see clear progress from what we watched last year....no doubt about it. But against FBS competition, the offense is 127th in the country in 3rd down percentage. That's a very Richtian number. That, along with red zone efficiency, must clearly get better. 5 for 24 in the first 2 weeks on 3rd down is downright awful.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Good post and certainly fair. And I said several times in my replies on this thread that it's only 3 games and there's no reason to think the offense can't get better. But unfortunately we haven't been able to win either of our real games while the offense is going through these growing pains. Now there's zero safety net in the division, and we lost to our most hated rival. Sure as **** would've loved to somehow find a way to win those 2 games even though the offense is clearly not clicking yet. I sure as **** hope it does soon, we all do. But it wasn't good enough to win either game, and then special teams dunked it's head under water as it was gasping for breath.

Only thing I can't ride on you with is the part about taking a gigantic step towards staying on the field. I see clear progress from what we watched last year....no doubt about it. But against FBS competition, the offense is 127th in the country in 3rd down percentage. That's a very Richtian number. That, along with red zone efficiency, must clearly get better. 5 for 24 in the first 2 weeks on 3rd down is downright awful.
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That 3rd down percentage has me more worried than the RZ numbers. Defenses are harder to breakdown inside 25 yards and we should expect a bit of a learning curve in that area for an offense so young. With more reps they'll get more comfortable and find what works for them.

The 3rd down percentage though is a completely different matter. Even if you throw out the stats against UF because the o-line made it impossible to get anything going we're still 7-20. Not good. All hands on deck in that department. I'd love to know what our average distance is on 3rd down because I don't even think it's all that long.
 
I support the OP's premise. I thought Manny said he wanted an offense that would put pressure on the opposing defense. Running the play clock down to zero each play and running slow developing play action plays out of a power I is not putting pressure on anyone. It's one of the reasons we lost to Florida.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Good post and certainly fair. And I said several times in my replies on this thread that it's only 3 games and there's no reason to think the offense can't get better. But unfortunately we haven't been able to win either of our real games while the offense is going through these growing pains. Now there's zero safety net in the division, and we lost to our most hated rival. Sure as **** would've loved to somehow find a way to win those 2 games even though the offense is clearly not clicking yet. I sure as **** hope it does soon, we all do. But it wasn't good enough to win either game, and then special teams dunked it's head under water as it was gasping for breath.

Only thing I can't ride on you with is the part about taking a gigantic step towards staying on the field. I see clear progress from what we watched last year....no doubt about it. But against FBS competition, the offense is 127th in the country in 3rd down percentage. That's a very Richtian number. That, along with red zone efficiency, must clearly get better. 5 for 24 in the first 2 weeks on 3rd down is downright awful.
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You're right about 3rd downs conversion but it's not like we're not getting first downs. We're not the 3 and out machine we were last year. We're currently tied for 26th in total first downs in a tightly bunched group. Only 6 more first downs would make us tied with Clemson at 10th. And many ahead of us are the air raid teams with more possessions per game.

We're also on the bottom of the list for penalties (both # and yardage), most of which seem to be offensive penalties (holding, delay of games). I would think that puts us at a 3rd down disadvantage. I can't find any numbers on it but I noticed that the teams with the highest conversion rate tend to be the least penalized teams. I wonder what our average distance is on 3rd down attempts.
 
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JimmyJohnsonsHair said:
I support the OP's premise. I thought Manny said he wanted an offense that would put pressure on the opposing defense. Running the play clock down to zero each play and running slow developing play action plays out of a power I is not putting pressure on anyone. It's one of the reasons we lost to Florida.
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It's not like he's intentionally running the clock down when we're trying to come from behind.
 
NorthEastCane said:
It's not like he's intentionally running the clock down when we're trying to come from behind.
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And unless OP went into a coma right after the UF game and is just waking up now "slow developing play action plays" is a moronic thing to say.
 
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JimmyJohnsonsHair said:
I support the OP's premise. I thought Manny said he wanted an offense that would put pressure on the opposing defense. Running the play clock down to zero each play and running slow developing play action plays out of a power I is not putting pressure on anyone. It's one of the reasons we lost to Florida.
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This all day. Manny makes this OC hire like it's in the vault that shows who killed Kennedy. The whole time saying he wants a fast spread offense that will utilize the type of players Miami gets and puts them in space. Heavy rumors about Fedora and then Applewhite, he gets Tate and all Indications are we'll see what we've been screaming for for years. Lulz, all Enos does is motion and then run under center, extremely slow, PA pro style BS.
Also, we've literally thrown 1 or 2 balls longer than 15 yards. Idk if that's Enos or Jarren but we have to take shots.
 
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NorthEastCane said:
You're right about 3rd downs conversion but it's not like we're not getting first downs. We're not the 3 and out machine we were last year. We're currently tied for 26th in total first downs in a tightly bunched group. Only 6 more first downs would make us tied with Clemson at 10th. And many ahead of us are the air raid teams with more possessions per game.

We're also on the bottom of the list for penalties (both # and yardage), most of which seem to be offensive penalties (holding, delay of games). I would think that puts us at a 3rd down disadvantage. I can't find any numbers on it but I noticed that the teams with the highest conversion rate tend to be the least penalized team. I wonder what our average distance is on 3rd down attempts.
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Good points. Miami is 97th in the country in # of 3rd downs faced. So, when the offense is moving, it's picking up first downs on 1st or 2nd down and not getting to 3rd down much. But when we get to 3rd down, we're awful

For example, Oklahoma is 115th in the country in 3rd downs faced. Only 25 in 3 games. Miami has had 33 3rd downs. You don't have to be great on 3rd down if you never face them .
 
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