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Enos/Diaz Have to Pick Up Pace on Offense. We Play to slow

brock said:
We are absolutely moving the ball better, just got to convert more 3rd downs and red zone opportunities
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Honest question. How do you think it's possible for us to be so bad on 3rd down conversions, but so darn high in TOP? High % of first downs coming on first and second downs? It sure isn't coming from 3rd or 4th. Horrible 3rd down % almost always means poor TOP, but we are certainly bucking that trend.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
Time. Of. Possession.

We're posting time of possession stats. In 2019. Holy good Christ.
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It just goes to show you we are moving the ball if we are holding it that long. It sure beats the **** out of what we've seen recently. Just another positive trend, is it not?
 
ThomasM said:
Honest question. How do you think it's possible for us to be so bad on 3rd down conversions, but so darn high in TOP? High % of first downs coming on first and second downs? It sure isn't coming from 3rd or 4th. Horrible 3rd down % almost always means poor TOP, but we are certainly bucking that trend.
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Not entirely sure but I think, more possessions and less turnovers happening on offense . We haven’t been going 3 and out as much either as we are moving the ball much more often than not now.
 
ThomasM said:
It just goes to show you we are moving the ball if we are holding it that long. It sure beats the **** out of what we've seen recently. Just another positive trend, is it not?
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My guy, it means literally nothing. Not a thing. Time of possession was an important stat that coaches thought mattered in the '80s. Not a single advanced metric or any analytic has any correlation at all to TOP. It's literally meaningless.

Case in point: Who has the best offense in the country? Oklahoma...bar none. They are just slaughtering people on offense and have been for several years now.

They are 45th in the country in TOP. They were 90th last year. It literally means nothing.

To answer your other question, as to why Miami is high in that stat while still having a bad offense, it's the same reason this thread was started. Because the offense is incredibly slow. Also, the defense has been giving up more big plays than in years past. So Miami has a 7 minute drive because we're working at a snail's pace to stall inside the 20 and miss a FG, and then you give up a quick big play. We've given up 3 plays so far of 60+ yards on defense. Nobody in the country has given up more. Last year we gave up 1 in the entire season.

So the offense is plodding, then the defense gives up a huge play, and the offense is right back on the field. TOP....check. Winning games....nope.
 
Think there is a balance when looking at quickness versus TOP. Do it too fast and not successfully, then wear out your defense. For all the OU is great offensively, they aren’t defensively. Also, depends on the quarter, score, etc as to TOP. But I agree as a whole we plod slowly and could pick up the pace a tad. To OU’s level? We aren’t close to that organization wise yet.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
My guy, it means literally nothing. Not a thing. Time of possession was an important stat that coaches thought mattered in the '80s. Not a single advanced metric or any analytic has any correlation at all to TOP. It's literally meaningless.

Case in point: Who has the best offense in the country? Oklahoma...bar none. They are just slaughtering people on offense and have been for several years now.

They are 45th in the country in TOP. They were 90th last year. It literally means nothing.

To answer your other question, as to why Miami is high in that stat while still having a bad offense, it's the same reason this thread was started. Because the offense is incredibly slow. Also, the defense has been giving up more big plays than in years past. So Miami has a 7 minute drive because we're working at a snail's pace to stall inside the 20 and miss a FG, and then you give up a quick big play. We've given up 3 plays so far of 60+ yards on defense. Nobody in the country has given up more. Last year we gave up 1 in the entire season.

So the offense is plodding, then the defense gives up a huge play, and the offense is right back on the field. TOP....check. Winning games....nope.
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This might also have a little to do with our TOP being way up. But hey, you keep hammering away at those three plays making such a massive difference.
 
ThomasM said:
It just goes to show you we are moving the ball if we are holding it that long. It sure beats the **** out of what we've seen recently. Just another positive trend, is it not?
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It’s not... the time of possession have nothing to do with creating turnovers that give us the ball more or taking advantage of scoring opportunities. We are just wasting the clock away and not scoring points which is why we are 1-2.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
I beg your pardon?

Against FBS competition, Miami is 64th in YPP, 82nd in scoring, 102nd in red zone TD %, and 127th in the country in 3rd down conversion %.

Through 3 games, Miami has a ZERO PERCENT success rate in the first quarter on 3rd/4th down. ZERO. Haven't run a SINGLE successful 3rd down play in 3 games in the 1st quarter.

But yeah, the offense has been fantastic. No issues lol
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Offense has not been the issue why we have lost any of our games. I never said we had a top 10 offense.
 
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Salt said:
I would say mostly special teams and defense has been spotty.
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defense gave up 2 big plays vs UF. 2.

UNC the defesne sucked in the 1st quarter, after that it was pretty lockdown. 1 drive at the end...but.... listen the reason we lost the games was because the offense couldnt be consistent. PLENTY of promise to build on, but we lost those games because the offense couldnt capitalize on turnovers and score in the red zone. 4 turnovers vs UF, 3 points. that is ungodly bad.
 
Salt said:
Offense has not been the issue why we have lost any of our games. I never said we had a top 10 offense.
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Offense is absolutely the reason Miami is 0-2 against human teams. You can throw special teams in there as well. If Bubba makes a kick, if Thomas fields a punt, etc. But you gotta score points to win. Being essentially dead last in red zone offense is what lost you games. The offense hasn't been horrendous or anything....they moved the ball somewhat against the gator and nicely against UNC. But it means nothing to move it 20 to 20 and get 0 points.

Offense/Special Teams
Defense

That's the order. The offense and special teams were not good enough in either game. The defense was not good enough in the UNC game.
 
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First f**king game with r-freshman quarterback, an entirely new offensive staff and scheme and an offensive line loaded with freshmen—up against the #8 team in the nation with great corners and a solid front seven.

Relax.
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So why not speed it up and make proper execution even more difficult in a new system with new calls...lol.

I would like a faster pace offense as well....but I would also like a OL that can prove to be consistent against quality competition first. Otherwise, we just going 3 and out faster for our defense.

UM
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
FSU's offense has been ok. They were 9th in SP+ going into last week, think it dropped a few spots after the UVA game. Their defense is an abomination.
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Just bustin chops OP.
I get what your saying. But I feel FSU and that briles philosophy is too far to the spread philosophy.
The 2016 natty was on and Clemson used sht load of tempo that game and kept it really tight with bama and they had a nasty defense. But they did it without that Briles offense.
Yes and hey had Watson that skews things quite a bit. But there has to be a balance.
Look at the season when we had Toledo and Syracuse at home back to back. We won both games but our defense had to play about 200 snaps combined those 2 games.
Catch 22 kind of thing. Best way to stop someone from scoring is to not give them he ball. Second best way is to stop their offense.
Plan accordingly to the team you facing.
We better get sht right cause FSU scores fast and Akers is getting his against everyone they've faced.
But that defense is going to be on the field a very long time against us if we keep doing what we’re doing.
 
I’d rather be an offense that can score quickly and then have a defense that can get you the ball back and score again...

Enos offense is too fckn slow for me... especially when it takes a full 30 second clock to run a play for 2 yards.

If we scored a touchdown every possession than it wouldn’t be an issue but lack of scoring output is worst of all time compared to how long we hold the ball.
 
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