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[252cane]

Look i think that walk on deal somebody mentioned is the best route to go. There is no rush in this ****. If no other big programs have offered the dude then there is no reason to do it yet.

 

[252cane]

So its ok to take jeff james just because he is edge nephew? Jeff had no offers.

Jeff James had 11 picks in his first and only year of playing HS ball. He earned that offer.

No he did not. Plenty of guys in high school put up stats and dont get offers to big schools. If edge wasnt his uncle he would not have got that offer.

Edge has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to UM and brought tremendous attention to the school. He should have some juice at UM. Why should Lingard have the same juice as Edge?

On top of that, Jeff James is a very talented dude.

Not saying lingard should have the same pull. What im saying is stuff like that happens at schools all the time.

I have no problem if the staff decides to offer the guy but i think him getting a walk-on spot is a better deal.

 

[sfowler06]

So its ok to take jeff james just because he is edge nephew? Jeff had no offers.

Jeff James had 11 picks in his first and only year of playing HS ball. He earned that offer.

No he did not. Plenty of guys in high school put up stats and dont get offers to big schools. If edge wasnt his uncle he would not have got that offer.

Stop it Skip. The only thing Edge did was get his tape to the coaches. Thats IF he did that. The coaches saw a baller and offered. Simple as that.

 

[252cane]

So its ok to take jeff james just because he is edge nephew? Jeff had no offers.

Jeff James had 11 picks in his first and only year of playing HS ball. He earned that offer.

No he did not. Plenty of guys in high school put up stats and dont get offers to big schools. If edge wasnt his uncle he would not have got that offer.

Stop it Skip. The only thing Edge did was get his tape to the coaches. Thats IF he did that. The coaches saw a baller and offered. Simple as that.

You dont know what you are talking about.

 

[The Franchise]

Lo said, "Let me play with my cousin somewhere, buy 1 get 2 free". He did not say he's going wherever LJ goes.
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I thought that's what his Tweet said. Didn't sound like the guarantee you said it was last night.

So just to be clear, it's no longer him guaranteeing it like you said last night?

Buddy needs to stop the nonsense already. All that is going on right now is he's trying to get his cousin a free opportunity that without the possibility of him wouldn't exist. This chess & checkers **** is a joke. Nothing about this is difficult. He's NOT going to lock himself in now with any school just because of the cousin & you're a blind optimist if you're foolish enough to think he will. You all might be morons but does every staff around the country have to be as well? I'm aware of two "olive branches" that have been extended his way elsewhere. You think he'll settle by cashing in nothing but a schollie for his cousin? Bwaaahhaha good one

Preach, Dee. I'm glad there's someone here close to the program to give UM's side of the story.

Some of these guys love to bury UM and make it look like UM doesn't want to win. They make it all sound so easy because they don't have any skins in the game.

Yeah just give Tiny Tim a scholarship and Lingard immediately shuts down recruiting and is automatic to UM.

There's no potential downside to letting a 2018 kid be your 2017 recruiting coordinator. No downside at all. Other recruits won't see that **** now that Lingard made his request public and decide "if he got his cousin a scholarship why can't I get one for mines?".

 

[fincane]

Did Rick offer a scholarship to Merken Michel when he signed Sony?

No that was some more Pete BS. He was trying to sell us that the brother who couldn't make an impact at UMass deserved a scholly here to secure Michel. Meanwhile Sony picked UGA and his brother stayed at UMass.

 

[fincane]

Yall will learn sooner or later. There is a reason fsu took a dude like fred jones from central a couple years ago. Sometimes to build relationships you have to make moves like that.

I don't remember Dalvin and others openly tweeting or announcing that they'd play somewhere if some lesser known prospect got an offer. They may have made that request but it wasn't done publicly. It smells of being open to the highest bidder. So I get why some people are hesitant.

Where is the risk at? Its one guy out of 85.

The risk is that you've don't want it known that you're a sucker and that you're open to being played. You set a precedent that these requests can be made and if you take a stand against one kid they'll just point to the Lingard situation and say "what about him?"

 

[caneaddict]

There is seemingly no down side to the deal. Scholarships are renewable so a player can be cut per se if needed. We are devoid of talent, and for the star chasers we only have two 5* players on the roster. We can double that by doing the deal.

Cuz comes from 5* bloodlines. That does not mean he will be an impact player, but that plus the chance to be on the field with his family may make him one of those classic UM players that is about his team, plays with heart and gives 110% (those SFLA specials we all talk about - even though he is not from SFLA).

Checkers and chess boys, which game do you want to play boys?

There's no downside to you to letting a recruit dictate offers a year ahead to the weak part of the package deal because it's not your money, job, team and reputation on the line.

Says the man who will ***** when Lo goes elsewhere. Money, job, team and reputation are on the line if you cannot win because you cannot pull in the studs. When you start winning you can dictate the terms, until then you are one in the pack trying to get a leg up. That is why Bama as I think it was you noted does not need to offer cuz.

Supply and demand, they have the supply right now and they know we need it, win the ACC, play for a title, then the tables turn.

So the only way UM can win is with Lingard? How'd that work for LSU and Fournette? Miles went and got him and did what it took and got fired.

Go get Lingard. Make a deal. But be smart. I trust Rick's judgment on this over yours and the "just do whatever Lingard wants" crew. His job is on the line, and he's a UM guy who loves UM. He'll do it how he wants, and we'll get good enough RBs to win here.

this, Rick has been in the trenches for 15 years in the heart of head to head battles with mama, FSU, Clemson, Florida, Us, etc.. dude knows what time it is, this isn't golden

 

[caneaddict]

Lorenzo pimphard has nole written all over him and Im sure his family loves dumbo and his case carriers

 

[Brooklyndee]

black manipulation matters

Kid doesn't want money or cars, he simply wants his cousin (who can ball) to come along for the ride.

That's money. UM costs about $50K per year now. Plus housing and food. He wants UM to give the cousin who isn't cut out for this level all that money.

Can't we just drop off a 250k bag and call it a day?

The kid doesn't want money or cars, he just wants a chance to play with his cousin at the "right" school.

I'm glad this wasn't me who pointed this one out. I guess him & Ohio state are simply on different terms. 25k for a visit with open ears goes a long way. This stuff is priceless it reminds me of a conversation I had with Quan a couple years back. In high school they had a joke going on between three of them (jabril peppers,leonte caroo & himself) depending on the schools they were talking to they would basically offer different packages of two of the three of them. For two years they were collecting off of that promise. Peppers would say it was him & caroo,caroo would say it was him & Quan (which is how they first came to us) & Quan would say it was him & his little brother who is one of the top basketball players in the country this year I believe it is. None of it really came to light till his soph more year with us when he got into the fight with his roommate over dropping his kid out of a moving car. It was also why he went through so many headaches with agents cause they all found out about it. Drew just didn't care cause he didn't bring much to the table up front. This happens every year & very rarely will it come to fruition because there's no way to prove it existed or in force the arrangement

 

[Tweed]

Lo didn't make a request, he simply made a statement. That doesn't mean that he will only go where LJ has an offer.

He loves Miami. Always has, he's just trying to help his cousin out whether it's Miami or not. Nothing more, nothing less.

If LJ somehow gets on at Miami (which they've been looking at him since last summer), the Lo & Tae would commit. It's that simple.

If LJ doesn't get an offer, that does not mean that Lo & Tae are going elsewhere. That just means it's not a guarantee.

 

[RVACane]

Lo said, "Let me play with my cousin somewhere, buy 1 get 2 free". He did not say he's going wherever LJ goes.
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I thought that's what his Tweet said. Didn't sound like the guarantee you said it was last night.

So just to be clear, it's no longer him guaranteeing it like you said last night?

Buddy needs to stop the nonsense already. All that is going on right now is he's trying to get his cousin a free opportunity that without the possibility of him wouldn't exist. This chess & checkers **** is a joke. Nothing about this is difficult. He's NOT going to lock himself in now with any school just because of the cousin & you're a blind optimist if you're foolish enough to think he will. You all might be morons but does every staff around the country have to be as well? I'm aware of two "olive branches" that have been extended his way elsewhere. You think he'll settle by cashing in nothing but a schollie for his cousin? Bwaaahhaha good one

Preach, Dee. I'm glad there's someone here close to the program to give UM's side of the story.

Some of these guys love to bury UM and make it look like UM doesn't want to win. They make it all sound so easy because they don't have any skins in the game.

Yeah just give Tiny Tim a scholarship and Lingard immediately shuts down recruiting and is automatic to UM.

There's no potential downside to letting a 2018 kid be your 2017 recruiting coordinator. No downside at all. Other recruits won't see that **** now that Lingard made his request public and decide "if he got his cousin a scholarship why can't I get one for mines?".

Well, if anything, making it public was the death blow for the reason you are saying now that I look at it and give it more thought. If this was done quietly, like an under the table type deal, then it's more doable but now that it's public it does place our staff in a bad spot with other recruits.

 

[252cane]

Yall will learn sooner or later. There is a reason fsu took a dude like fred jones from central a couple years ago. Sometimes to build relationships you have to make moves like that.

I don't remember Dalvin and others openly tweeting or announcing that they'd play somewhere if some lesser known prospect got an offer. They may have made that request but it wasn't done publicly. It smells of being open to the highest bidder. So I get why some people are hesitant.

Where is the risk at? Its one guy out of 85.

The risk is that you've don't want it known that you're a sucker and that you're open to being played. You set a precedent that these requests can be made and if you take a stand against one kid they'll just point to the Lingard situation and say "what about him?"

Understand what you are saying. Im just saying if the staff decides to do it i have no problem with it. They probably wont do it because i dont think any other big program will do it either.

 

[Brooklyndee]

So its ok to take jeff james just because he is edge nephew? Jeff had no offers.

Talk that **** on Jeff if you want to. Jeff has upside through the roof. His problem was he just started playing the game. You do understand his uncle is a diamond club donor right? That would get your nephew a ship right now if you wanna finish off donations for the ipf.

 

[252cane]

Lo didn't make a request, he simply made a statement. That doesn't mean that he will only go where LJ has an offer.

He loves Miami. Always has, he's just trying to help his cousin out whether it's Miami or not. Nothing more, nothing less.

If LJ somehow gets on at Miami (which they've been looking at him since last summer), the Lo & Tae would commit. It's that simple.

If LJ doesn't get an offer, that does not mean that Lo & Tae are going elsewhere. That just means it's not a guarantee.

My question is if his cousin got the offer would lingard commit on the spot?

 

[252cane]

So its ok to take jeff james just because he is edge nephew? Jeff had no offers.

Talk that **** on Jeff if you want to. Jeff has upside through the roof. His problem was he just started playing the game. You do understand his uncle is a diamond club donor right? That would get your nephew a ship right now if you wanna finish off donations for the ipf.

Im just saying everybody knows why he got a offer. I dont know what kind of player he can be. His highlights showed a lot of passes getting throwed directly to him.

 

[canesplaymaker]

I will gladly pay you Wednesday for a cheeseburger today... Absolutely can't give this kid who does not deserve a ship with just the hope his cousin comes next year. Any form of paperwork forcing him to comply would be a MAjOR NCAA violation. What if he drops out or fails out. No way.

 

[wisecane]

The object of recruiting is to fill out your roster as well. YOU say we're not looking to add "FIU level guys", but fact of the matter is, the guys YOU think should be here don't want to be here. LJ is a kid that wants to be here & his cousin Lo is simply trying to push for his cousin to get an offer, be it football or track. (which other schools have already offered).

What will it take to get the staff to offer Coleman?

If that's what it takes to get Lo, why don't they just get it done?

I honestly think it will get done. Miami was already looking at LJ as a possible track scholarship guy that will walk-on to the football team.

Doesn't that track scholarship immediately become a football scholarship the second he puts on pads? I thought that was the rule these days.

It absolutely does. We stashed Santana on the track team for a year because of scholly limitations, but once he started playing football, that scholarship changes and is counted against the 85.

 

[canesplaymaker]

We would be the joke of the country if we sign this guy and his cousin becomes a Nole next year

 

[Brooklyndee]

Lo didn't make a request, he simply made a statement. That doesn't mean that he will only go where LJ has an offer.

He loves Miami. Always has, he's just trying to help his cousin out whether it's Miami or not. Nothing more, nothing less.

If LJ somehow gets on at Miami (which they've been looking at him since last summer), the Lo & Tae would commit. It's that simple.

If LJ doesn't get an offer, that does not mean that Lo & Tae are going elsewhere. That just means it's not a guarantee.

My question is if his cousin got the offer would lingard commit on the spot?

You say you know recruiting but you're statements are contradictory. I'm not trying to be an asset here. Just pointing something out that should be a given. First & foremost the cousin is a 17 recruit Lingard is an 18 recruit & Tae is a 20 recruit. Even if they say yes were gonna give a verbal to um now it don't mean ****. A verbal is irrelevant as its the same thing as a silent or still considering your choices. The only reality comes when you fax in your letter of intent which neither of them could do till that first Wednesday in February of their senior years... Mathew Thomas was a commit to us. You see where it got us. Without a signed nli it's all gossip for fanbases