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E1k said:
Its not flawed because we brought in subpar coaches lol that proves my point. You cant give D+ effort in something and then call it flawed. There’s way more examples of a HC bringing his own and it working. Saban Kirby Lincoln Harbaugh Dykes Heupel etc..
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It is a flawed argument that you have be an coordinator to be successful. I can think 3 coaches who weren't coordinatos off the top of my head that won Natties: Dabo Swinney, Urban Meyer, and Ed Orgeron. Even PJ Fleck and Jim Harbaugh.

Don't let get started the coaches who never play the sport. We would take any one of them in heart beat, so coordinator or non coordinator, finding the right coach with the right philosophy is important. Urban was so good because he open to offensive innovation.
 
SouthParkCane said:
I mean that’s depressing but go canes lol
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we paid the penalty for not making the hire sooner. you always normally overpay in a coaching search if youre going after a p5 coach at a high level. id say we overpaid on a ****** staff and Mario made some Manny like errors like hiring your own boys when theyre not qualified (ponce)
 
E1k said:
All true but kirby was a DC for 7 years. So he brings his defensive mind which is probably top 3. Recruiting is for sure #1 but at the highest level when the talent is in the same ball park it comes down to coaching. I think the blueprint for mario is dabo but a wider net with recruiting cause of location and the difference places mario has been
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dabo is the comparison but dabo is also the outlier imo. an interim non coordinator who somehow became an elite HC while also making elite staff hires
 
Dees Brown said:
It is a flawed argument that you have be an coordinator to be successful. I can think 3 coaches who weren't coordinatos off the top of my head that won Natties: Dabo Swinney, Urban Meyer, and Ed Orgeron. Even PJ Fleck and Jim Harbaugh.

Don't let get started the coaches who never play the sport. We would take any one of them in heart beat, so coordinator or non coordinator, finding the right coach with the right philosophy is important. Urban was so good because he open to offensive innovation.
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if youre hoping Mario turns into Ed O bc he won a title, **** were gonna suck forever bc Mario is far and away a better coach.

while Harbaugh never coordinated, he was an elite NFL HC and was an HC his entire career after a short stint as a QBC (which is his specialty everywhere he goes).

id say dabo, urbans are raaarrreeee to find. most guys have coordinated a side of the ball.
 
Dees Brown said:
It is a flawed argument that you have be an coordinator to be successful. I can think 3 coaches who weren't coordinatos off the top of my head that won Natties: Dabo Swinney, Urban Meyer, and Ed Orgeron. Even PJ Fleck and Jim Harbaugh.

Don't let get started the coaches who never play the sport. We would take any one of them in heart beat, so coordinator or non coordinator, finding the right coach with the right philosophy is important. Urban was so good because he open to offensive innovation.
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I didn’t say its not possible i said using us making bad hires as an example that hiring someone who brings something of their own is a flawed argument because there are way more examples of it working. Like of course we got bad results from hiring manny diaz al golden and randy, those were lazy hires.

Also those names u said besides i think fleck? They were position coaches for a decade plus or played qb in the nfl for a decade plus like harbaugh. Again i wanted mario and still believe in him but i also understand the other perspective people had about wanting someone who has a history of knowledge on a side of the ball
 
E1k said:
I didn’t say its not possible i said using us making bad hires as an example that hiring someone who brings something of their own is a flawed argument because there are way more examples of it working. Like of course we got bad results from hiring manny diaz al golden and randy, those were lazy hires.

Also those names u said besides i think fleck? They were position coaches for a decade plus or played qb in the nfl for a decade plus like harbaugh. Mario didn’t do either of those…again i wanted mario and still believe in him but i also understand the other perspective people had about wanting someone who has a history of knowledge on a side of the ball
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w coaching turnover so rampant, its easier to maintain success when you can control a side. w Riley, its offense. he produces everywhere. his system works and its plug and play. it also attracts high end talent to play for him wherever hes at. its harder to hit on your staff hires every time you lose a coach
 
ssj4cane said:
Tons of coaches have been successful in early years with other guys players and then falling off. Tons of guys struggled in year one and went on to success. These threads are tiresome.
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a lot of guys struggle in year 1, but pretty rare for a 10 year vet to struggle so much from a coaching perspective as to looking like a rookie out there. that was a huge issue. we looked like our coaches never coached before and we know that isnt the case in terms of experience. Mario will def win more than 5 games but hes already not a great game day coach and looking like he did in year 1 was a huge red flag. the only good thing is that his elite trait still works
 
hoops156 said:
if youre hoping Mario turns into Ed O bc he won a title, **** were gonna suck forever bc Mario is far and away a better coach.

while Harbaugh never coordinated, he was an elite NFL HC and was an HC his entire career after a short stint as a QBC (which is his specialty everywhere he goes).

id say dabo, urbans are raaarrreeee to find. most guys have coordinated a side of the ball.
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Coordinator or non-coordinator, doesn't matter to me. All I was pointing out that it is a flaw argument coaches that have not been coordinator cant lead a team to greatness. If it never happen, then he would have a point. But its happens a few times now.

Those same coaches have beat the Top echelon "coordinator" HCs.
 
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hoops156 said:
w coaching turnover so rampant, its easier to maintain success when you can control a side. w Riley, its offense. he produces everywhere. his system works and its plug and play. it also attracts high end talent to play for him wherever hes at. its harder to hit on your staff hires every time you lose a coach
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in effect, we saw this w our QB and WR recruiting but hit home runs on OL.
 
Dees Brown said:
Coordinator or non-coordinator, doesn't matter to me. All I was pointing out that it is a flaw argument coaches that have not been coordinator cant lead a team to greatness. If it never happen, then he would have a point. But its happens a few times now.

Those same coaches have beat the Top echelon "coordinator" HCs.
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they happen. nothing is absolute but its also rare. ed O was trash as a HC. hes always been that.
 
hoops156 said:
id say dabo, urbans are raaarrreeee to find. most guys have coordinated a side of the ball.
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Not only that, Urban was an offensive coach. That was HIS offense they ran at Bowling Green, Utah, Florida and Ohio State. He might not have been a coordinator but believe that the offense everywhere he’s been a head coach has been HIS offense.
 
hoops156 said:
we paid the penalty for not making the hire sooner. you always normally overpay in a coaching search if youre going after a p5 coach at a high level. id say we overpaid on a ****** staff and Mario made some Manny like errors like hiring your own boys when theyre not qualified (ponce)
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Ponce's resume says he's "qualified" to be a P5 QB coach. That said, I don't think he's a good one and wasn't thrilled about the hire.
 
I Love Mario, and want him to succeed, as I have with all UM HCs throughout the yrs...his recruiting is tremendous, as is his evaluations. But there's a few things he needs to change to be successful here, and those things are fixable. The question is will he??
 
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DTP said:
Just hire real coordinators and let Mario stay home and recruit on game day
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They should let Mario sit up in executive boxes smooching with recruits and boosters.... hire coordinators that can run the show on the field.
 
SWFLHurricane said:
I Love Mario, and want him to succeed, as I have with all UM HCs throughout the yrs...his recruiting is tremendous, as is his evaluations. But there's a few things he needs to change to be successful here, and those things are fixable. The question is will he??
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This is the $50K question. I completely agree.

I mean other than his recruiting class, this year was multiple Hindenburgs
 
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