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razrcane said:
I look at this objectively. UNC starting a true freshmen with a new coach should have been a win. VT should be a win. UVA should be a loss as they are undefeated at this point and favored to win the coastal. We SHOULD win out the rest of the schedule except for toss ups against FSU (toss up bc it's a rivalry game at their place), @ Pitt and @ Duke.

The winner of the coastal should have at least two conference losses. With a competent coaching staff this team would have at the most two conference losses. Unfortunately, it does not appear we have that. With a good coaching staff we would run the table.
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I disagree and this goes back to my point about managing expectations. Preseason; I, like many fan here erroneously have, bought into the hype and predicted Miami to finish the season 10-3. By the very definition of objectivity, new information and facts would present themselves and the objective observer would adjust their perception of reality. To do less than that is to inject personal feelings or opinions into that perception which is the contradiction of objectivity.

We now have a sample size to consider. Having watched four Miami Hurricane football games and knowing what I know now about this team; I have to adjust my impression of this team in that there is absolutely nothing about this season so far that would suggest that this team should win out any one part of the rest of the schedule.

Negative Statistic (ordered by most adversity to least):
- Miami has not won a game against an opponent on the road so far this year.
- Miami has not won against a P5 opponent so far this year.
- According to Athlon Sports, Miami is ranked #48. They beat CMU ranked #118 on that same list by 5 points at home.

Armed with those facts here are the remaining games color matched with the above criteria.
vs VTech
vs UVA
vs GTech
@ Pitt
@ FSU
vs Louisville
@ FIU* (ranked #120)
@ DUKE

Based on the first four games, In theory, we can make some lose predictions.
- FIU is the only game remaining on schedule that we can predict with almost 100% certainty as a win.
- VTech, UVA, GTech and Louisville, as ****** as 3/4 of those teams have looked, we haven't proved yet we can beat a P5 opponent. Not saying each of those is a loss but there is nothing so far this year to suggest these are wins either. I know that sounds a bit confusing but you yourself are chalking up each of those games except UVA as a win and I don't see how you are arriving to that prediction based on what we've seen so far.
- Winning on the road is tough. Historically recent Pitt has assumed the role of past UNC/VTech teams as a season-ruiner. FSU is annually a ball-buster and I honestly don't know what to make of Duke lately. For two years Duke has looked better than at any time I can remember. I think you are correct to be overly concerned with those away games. They look nasty.

It pains me to say this but this season is shaping up to be a 4-8, 5-7, 6-6 kind of season. I hate saying it but I'm looking behind us and what we've done and ahead of us and how other teams have performed so far and that's the reality we're faced with. If we reach December and anyone here is surprised by a .500 or <.500 record that person did not adjust their preseason expectations and evaluate the team based on the completed games up to mid-season.
 
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razrcane said:
I can go along with your analysis. However, we did beat VT @ VT last year. We did lose to GT at their place, but they are transitioning to a completely new offense and the game is in Miami. Louisville also has a new system and the game is in Miami. Miami's home record over the past three years is impressive. In addition, we don't have a completely new staff. The defense (in theory) coaching wise only had to replace the DL coach and the defense coordinator was hand picked by the former defensive coordinator (now HC). Our offense last year was our Achilles heel and everyone believed that even a marginal improvement would have us in contention for the coastal. We at the very least have that marginal improvement. If the schedule was reversed and we had to play all of the teams away I would have had lower expectations, but this is the type of schedule where a team with competent coaches makes a run. Everyone recognizes the coastal is not that difficult of a division.
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Duke will be tough. That defense looks like it's for real. Hopefully we come into our own by the time we see them...
 
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razrcane said:
I can go along with your analysis. However, we did beat VT @ VT last year. We did lose to GT at their place, but they are transitioning to a completely new offense and the game is in Miami. Louisville also has a new system and the game is in Miami. Miami's home record over the past three years is impressive. In addition, we don't have a completely new staff. The defense (in theory) coaching wise only had to replace the DL coach and the defense coordinator was hand picked by the former defensive coordinator (now HC). Our offense last year was our Achilles heel and everyone believed that even a marginal improvement would have us in contention for the coastal. We at the very least have that marginal improvement. If the schedule was reversed and we had to play all of the teams away I would have had lower expectations, but this is the type of schedule where a team with competent coaches makes a run. Everyone recognizes the coastal is not that difficult of a division.
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I can respect some of the positive vibes about our chances based on last years outcome. I don't know about anyone else but playing VTech and GTech--two teams trying to rebuild and make the best of their season--it just feels like we're playing them to see who can make it to the end of the season and not be on the bottom of the coastal pile. "It's a fight for last place!"

I guess I'm just at peace right now having accepted this season as pretty much a wash. How low we've fallen that my only wish this year is to make it to bowl season and be eligible for a bowl (not against Wisconsin, though I doubt we have to worry about that matchup happening). Still a Cane through-and-through. Here's hoping I'll be pleasantly surprised by seasons' end.
 
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AustinCane6688 said:
They've had a hand in things for sure but it's idiots like you that are the reason why we are consistently viewed as the worst fanbase in America. B*tch and moan on message boards but never go to games or support the program when it counts.
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Hey, there's plenty of competition in the *****ing and moaning category. I visited a Hokie message board for 3 minutes because I knew I would quickly find a nugget like this:

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So if sweetpea is right

So if sweetpea is right
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"Let’s worry about cutting the dead weight first. Pay a dollar to a homeless bum and he’d be as successful as Fuente. Who we hire isn’t as important right now as cutting out the malignant tumor named Justin Fuente"
 
My lord did that VT team look horrendous. Fuentes ran them straight into the ground and if we don’t beat them then what little faith or hope left in the coaches is gone forever
 
Canestomp said:
I disagree and this goes back to my point about managing expectations. Preseason; I, like many fan here erroneously have, bought into the hype and predicted Miami to finish the season 10-3. By the very definition of objectivity, new information and facts would present themselves and the objective observer would adjust their perception of reality. To do less than that is to inject personal feelings or opinions into that perception which is the contradiction of objectivity.

We now have a sample size to consider. Having watched four Miami Hurricane football games and knowing what I know now about this team; I have to adjust my impression of this team in that there is absolutely nothing about this season so far that would suggest that this team should win out any one part of the rest of the schedule.

Negative Statistic (ordered by most adversity to least):
- Miami has not won a game against an opponent on the road so far this year.
- Miami has not won against a P5 opponent so far this year.
- According to Athlon Sports, Miami is ranked #48. They beat CMU ranked #118 on that same list by 5 points at home.

Armed with those facts here are the remaining games color matched with the above criteria.
vs VTech
vs UVA
vs GTech
@ Pitt
@ FSU
vs Louisville
@ FIU* (ranked #120)
@ DUKE

Based on the first four games, In theory, we can make some lose predictions.
- FIU is the only game remaining on schedule that we can predict with almost 100% certainty as a win.
- VTech, UVA, GTech and Louisville, as ****** as 3/4 of those teams have looked, we haven't proved yet we can beat a P5 opponent. Not saying each of those is a loss but there is nothing so far this year to suggest these are wins either. I know that sounds a bit confusing but you yourself are chalking up each of those games except UVA as a win and I don't see how you are arriving to that prediction based on what we've seen so far.
- Winning on the road is tough. Historically recent Pitt has assumed the role of past UNC/VTech teams as a season-ruiner. FSU is annually a ball-buster and I honestly don't know what to make of Duke lately. For two years Duke has looked better than at any time I can remember. I think you are correct to be overly concerned with those away games. They look nasty.

It pains me to say this but this season is shaping up to be a 4-8, 5-7, 6-6 kind of season. I hate saying it but I'm looking behind us and what we've done and ahead of us and how other teams have performed so far and that's the reality we're faced with. If we reach December and anyone here is surprised by a .500 or <.500 record that person did not adjust their preseason expectations and evaluate the team based on the completed games up to mid-season.
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This is a very accurate assessment based on what I've seen so far this season, but it makes me absolutely want to vomit thinking we're going to struggle to win 6 games with this baby doo doo soft schedule and the talent on the roster. This is the kind of schedule that Jeremy Foley has wet dreams about. We only leave the state of Florida for 3 games all season... 3 games! And on top of that, we out talent every single other team left on our schedule (with the possible exception of FSU). If we struggle to become bowl eligible and finish near the bottom of the Coastal this year, Diaz and co need to be fired immediately for gross incompetence. It's mind boggling that we're even having a discussion about potentially losing at home to Georgia Tech and Louisville in major transition years for both teams. And it's almost unfathomable that we're actually worse now without Richt and Rosier, but here we are in "The New Miami."
 
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All’s I know is we have an awesome opportunity here in the next couple weeks to set things straight and make our move.

The start of the season is sump cost file it away new season starts next week.

GOCANES
 
mdpcane said:
In case anyone is interested in "scouting" the Canes next opponent, the Gobblers are playing Duke tonight at 7 PM EDT on ESPN. Vag Tech is favored by 2.5 at home.
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How can we scout ourselves.... any practice reports ....other than flying around and "the standard "?
 
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