Due diligence on Tom Herman

[caneaddict]

Fuente's gonna clean his clock then we can consolidate the 2 guys

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Like I said: weird arguments

It's not weird at all. Do we need to go through the "Flavor of the Month" coaches that have plagued Miami message boards over the years? All I'm saying is that we might look back in five years and wonder who the **** thought this guy was a good coach if we're going to praise him because of one 7-0 start in which he had the better team seven times. Remember, he didn't jump in and take over North Texas here. Houston has a ton of returning experience and was bound to have a good season.

George O'Leary comes to mind....I hear he's available. lol

 

[Consigliere]

Jagr,

I may have missed it but what are your thoughts on Fuente?

 

[Gatorhater]

Urban has similar thing going. He brings his offense into new conference and tear it up for a few years. Then the other teams adjust and he has to move on to new place. He will go the ND next. Gimmicks are always like that. Urban is hack of a coach but only with "his" system. That system is not Miami DNA. We just fired a coach who wanted to practice genetic engineering; do we want another? With our WRs, it is better for WB to stand that extra second in the pocket while they get open. Also, with our RBs why have your QB recruiting determined by 40 times. Why have the formula that ruled football, just use it with right coach. A running QB is another DNA mismatch.

Gimmicks don't win 3 national championships

You have to be incredibly dense to believe that you can gimmick your way to those types of wins.

People are still using the " gimmick" title ? Lmao.

That offense is straight up smash mouth , physical football. It's just in spread formations , which makes it almost impossible to stop. Passing windows are wide open from the defense concentrating on the run. If the qb happens to be dual threat the defense is really f'd.

This. Do people even watch theses teams play? Or do you see a spread offense and says it's a gimmick? And what is Miami DNA? Most these kids grow up playing in the spread offense.

That gimmick offense shoved the ball down Alabamas throat and made them quit. 280 yards rushing, 500+ total. Ran for 300 bs Oregon in the NC.

Urban had to leave town to get back to a title game. He will flame out in Big 10 like he did in SEC. Then on to ND for another title maybe. Bama has won 3 in the meantime and FSU one. Didn't LSU sneak one in also. That is against Auburn and OSU. Keep in mind the OSU was playing OR -- one of them had to win. Oh my, Auburn beat OR too. So if we go with this spread thing all you guy want, we better play OR in the NC game. Granted, if you get Cam Netown for our QB, I am ok with whatever offense you want to run, but how is the OC he had doing at Auburn now? Come to think of it, Auburn and OSU had pretty good defenses against OR in those games. Maybe, just maybe that was the difference and defense is STILL WHAT MATTERS. Hum, just a thought.

 

[Canesbball]

Good post, Consig. There's just one more part that worries me about his season at Houston. Greg Ward absolutely dominates that offense. If I had Greg Ward, I would also put up a lot of points. Herman didn't develop him or create a new offense or anything like that. Is Herman going to be a Gus Malzahn in the post-Cam Newton era?

A few things:

1. Greg Ward Jr was there last year. GWJ played last year. GWJ numbers are CLEARLY better this year. The kid is great but his play has been drastically elevated.

2. Herman has shown that he can do develop QBs before. Look at how many he went through last year at OSU. Look at how different OSU looks this year with the SAME PLAYERS. He has done well with QBs before (Chase Clement).

3. Herman may not have created a new offense but perhaps he is able to maximize the output he gets out of his players. Perhaps he puts them in the best position to succeed by adapting to their skill set. I think GWJ is a good example of that. I think last year at OSU were a good example out of that.

Most QBs with Ward's talent are better with each successive year. I'm just not convinced that Herman came in and changed a bunch of things to make him better. I've watched them a lot because Ward is my fantasy QB. He runs around and jukes people and leads the nation in rushing touchdowns. Does that translate into success with a guy like Kayaa?

Yes but Herman is the coach and the play is MUCH better. He also has a track record of doing it.

Does it translate to a guy like Kaaya? No. But Kaaya is a different type of QB. Does that mean he can't have success with that type of QB?

Quit. Timing is just bad. Herman is gonna have to wait.

LMAO this is why our fanbase is the absolute WOAT.


Herman is far and away the best candidate for the job.

 

[ryby6969]

I think we just need to let the season play out for these coaches. Yes Herman and Fuente are 7-0. But just 2 years ago we were 7-0 and ranked in the top 10. We all know how that turned out.

 

[brcane1]

I am actually glad that people are properly vetting these candidates because I don't believe our BOTs will do the same as they already hired Chuck Nienas for help.

Has that been confirmed?

So is the silence a no?

 

[orange&green84]

Can we just hire Houston's AD? He seems to be much better at evaluating coaches than our administration.

Amazing that this hasn't been brought up. 3 of the last 4 coaching hires at Houston were home run hires.

 

[Coach Macho]

Urban has similar thing going. He brings his offense into new conference and tear it up for a few years. Then the other teams adjust and he has to move on to new place. He will go the ND next. Gimmicks are always like that. Urban is hack of a coach but only with "his" system. That system is not Miami DNA. We just fired a coach who wanted to practice genetic engineering; do we want another? With our WRs, it is better for WB to stand that extra second in the pocket while they get open. Also, with our RBs why have your QB recruiting determined by 40 times. Why have the formula that ruled football, just use it with right coach. A running QB is another DNA mismatch.

Gimmicks don't win 3 national championships

You have to be incredibly dense to believe that you can gimmick your way to those types of wins.

People are still using the " gimmick" title ? Lmao.

That offense is straight up smash mouth , physical football. It's just in spread formations , which makes it almost impossible to stop. Passing windows are wide open from the defense concentrating on the run. If the qb happens to be dual threat the defense is really f'd.

This. Do people even watch theses teams play? Or do you see a spread offense and says it's a gimmick? And what is Miami DNA? Most these kids grow up playing in the spread offense.

That gimmick offense shoved the ball down Alabamas throat and made them quit. 280 yards rushing, 500+ total. Ran for 300 bs Oregon in the NC.

Urban had to leave town to get back to a title game. He will flame out in Big 10 like he did in SEC. Then on to ND for another title maybe. Bama has won 3 in the meantime and FSU one. Didn't LSU sneak one in also. That is against Auburn and OSU. Keep in mind the OSU was playing OR -- one of them had to win. Oh my, Auburn beat OR too. So if we go with this spread thing all you guy want, we better play OR in the NC game. Granted, if you get Cam Netown for our QB, I am ok with whatever offense you want to run, but how is the OC he had doing at Auburn now? Come to think of it, Auburn and OSU had pretty good defenses against OR in those games. Maybe, just maybe that was the difference and defense is STILL WHAT MATTERS. Hum, just a thought.

SMH. I don't even know where to start.

 

[Coach Macho]

WTF is "Miami DNA"?

And WTF is everybody's obsession with the pro-style offense?

 

[Cribby]

Gimmicks don't win 3 national championships

You have to be incredibly dense to believe that you can gimmick your way to those types of wins.

People are still using the " gimmick" title ? Lmao.

That offense is straight up smash mouth , physical football. It's just in spread formations , which makes it almost impossible to stop. Passing windows are wide open from the defense concentrating on the run. If the qb happens to be dual threat the defense is really f'd.

This. Do people even watch theses teams play? Or do you see a spread offense and says it's a gimmick? And what is Miami DNA? Most these kids grow up playing in the spread offense.

That gimmick offense shoved the ball down Alabamas throat and made them quit. 280 yards rushing, 500+ total. Ran for 300 bs Oregon in the NC.

Urban had to leave town to get back to a title game. He will flame out in Big 10 like he did in SEC. Then on to ND for another title maybe. Bama has won 3 in the meantime and FSU one. Didn't LSU sneak one in also. That is against Auburn and OSU. Keep in mind the OSU was playing OR -- one of them had to win. Oh my, Auburn beat OR too. So if we go with this spread thing all you guy want, we better play OR in the NC game. Granted, if you get Cam Netown for our QB, I am ok with whatever offense you want to run, but how is the OC he had doing at Auburn now? Come to think of it, Auburn and OSU had pretty good defenses against OR in those games. Maybe, just maybe that was the difference and defense is STILL WHAT MATTERS. Hum, just a thought.

SMH. I don't even know where to start.

Dude I started to respond to that , but it was so bad that I didn't waste my time. One of the worst, inaccurate posts I've seen on here

 

[Sonny Long]

A few things:

1. Greg Ward Jr was there last year. GWJ played last year. GWJ numbers are CLEARLY better this year. The kid is great but his play has been drastically elevated.

2. Herman has shown that he can do develop QBs before. Look at how many he went through last year at OSU. Look at how different OSU looks this year with the SAME PLAYERS. He has done well with QBs before (Chase Clement).

3. Herman may not have created a new offense but perhaps he is able to maximize the output he gets out of his players. Perhaps he puts them in the best position to succeed by adapting to their skill set. I think GWJ is a good example of that. I think last year at OSU were a good example out of that.

Most QBs with Ward's talent are better with each successive year. I'm just not convinced that Herman came in and changed a bunch of things to make him better. I've watched them a lot because Ward is my fantasy QB. He runs around and jukes people and leads the nation in rushing touchdowns. Does that translate into success with a guy like Kayaa?

Yes but Herman is the coach and the play is MUCH better. He also has a track record of doing it.

Does it translate to a guy like Kaaya? No. But Kaaya is a different type of QB. Does that mean he can't have success with that type of QB?

Quit. Timing is just bad. Herman is gonna have to wait.

LMAO this is why our fanbase is the absolute WOAT.


Herman is far and away the best candidate for the job.

Because he has beat a bunch of teams with losing records. You are a **** Fool...............LOL

 

[Awsi Dooger]

I dunno. I do know what he did at Ohio State. And I do know what he is doing at Houston.

Herman is a savage who would destroy the ACC and win a national title here.

I think Urban Meyer might have had a little more to do with OSU's offense than Herman.

And how do folks here feel about a Miami QB getting 15 rushing attempts per game?

Very good. You spotlighted the point I was going to make. I'm impressed it showed up on page one of this thread.

I like Herman more than most of the other names. But how does Brad Kaaya fit at all? Herman runs the Urban Meyer style of power based rushes from the quarterback position. The guards pull, the quarterback reads them, delays slightly, and takes off into the overloaded gap when available. This happens all game long and the percentage actually increases in important 3rd down and manageable situations. The offense depends on the quarterback as running threat, to play fake out of legitimate danger of the quarterback taking off.

It would force Herman to radically alter his preferred approach, or essentially throw away Kaaya's final two seasons. I'm posting this without reading pages 2-7 of this thread. Maybe there has been subsequent discussion.

 

[Barboni]

Urban has similar thing going. He brings his offense into new conference and tear it up for a few years. Then the other teams adjust and he has to move on to new place. He will go the ND next. Gimmicks are always like that. Urban is hack of a coach but only with "his" system. That system is not Miami DNA. We just fired a coach who wanted to practice genetic engineering; do we want another? With our WRs, it is better for WB to stand that extra second in the pocket while they get open. Also, with our RBs why have your QB recruiting determined by 40 times. Why have the formula that ruled football, just use it with right coach. A running QB is another DNA mismatch.

Gimmicks don't win 3 national championships

You have to be incredibly dense to believe that you can gimmick your way to those types of wins.

People are still using the " gimmick" title ? Lmao.

That offense is straight up smash mouth , physical football. It's just in spread formations , which makes it almost impossible to stop. Passing windows are wide open from the defense concentrating on the run. If the qb happens to be dual threat the defense is really f'd.

This. Do people even watch theses teams play? Or do you see a spread offense and says it's a gimmick? And what is Miami DNA? Most these kids grow up playing in the spread offense.

That gimmick offense shoved the ball down Alabamas throat and made them quit. 280 yards rushing, 500+ total. Ran for 300 bs Oregon in the NC.

Urban had to leave town to get back to a title game. He will flame out in Big 10 like he did in SEC. Then on to ND for another title maybe. Bama has won 3 in the meantime and FSU one. Didn't LSU sneak one in also. That is against Auburn and OSU. Keep in mind the OSU was playing OR -- one of them had to win. Oh my, Auburn beat OR too. So if we go with this spread thing all you guy want, we better play OR in the NC game. Granted, if you get Cam Netown for our QB, I am ok with whatever offense you want to run, but how is the OC he had doing at Auburn now? Come to think of it, Auburn and OSU had pretty good defenses against OR in those games. Maybe, just maybe that was the difference and defense is STILL WHAT MATTERS. Hum, just a thought.

That's fine, but OSU was still losing to bum teams like Illinois and Wisconsin when Tressel was coaching them with a top-10 defense.

OSU had higher ranked defense with Tressel. In-fact, Fickel, who sucks, was his dcoordinator and their defense were usually ranked in the top-10. Doesn't matter. Urban has a higher margin of victory as OSUs coach and avgs. more total wins per season, when compared to Tressel. All 4 QBs that have logged in time for Urban at OSU are/were not considered Cam Newton type talents. In-fact, Kenny Guiton was an after though for Tressel's staff and all he did was break the single game passing TD record. Urban's 3.5 years have had his teams break all kinds of school records on offense.

Saying he's going to flame out, just because he didn't dominate during his last season at UF is dumb. He's won at least 12 games each year at OSU and I don't see that stopping with their resources, monopoly on in-state talent, and his ability to cherry pick players from other states.

 

[Gatorhater]

Gimmicks don't win 3 national championships

You have to be incredibly dense to believe that you can gimmick your way to those types of wins.

People are still using the " gimmick" title ? Lmao.

That offense is straight up smash mouth , physical football. It's just in spread formations , which makes it almost impossible to stop. Passing windows are wide open from the defense concentrating on the run. If the qb happens to be dual threat the defense is really f'd.

This. Do people even watch theses teams play? Or do you see a spread offense and says it's a gimmick? And what is Miami DNA? Most these kids grow up playing in the spread offense.

That gimmick offense shoved the ball down Alabamas throat and made them quit. 280 yards rushing, 500+ total. Ran for 300 bs Oregon in the NC.

Urban had to leave town to get back to a title game. He will flame out in Big 10 like he did in SEC. Then on to ND for another title maybe. Bama has won 3 in the meantime and FSU one. Didn't LSU sneak one in also. That is against Auburn and OSU. Keep in mind the OSU was playing OR -- one of them had to win. Oh my, Auburn beat OR too. So if we go with this spread thing all you guy want, we better play OR in the NC game. Granted, if you get Cam Netown for our QB, I am ok with whatever offense you want to run, but how is the OC he had doing at Auburn now? Come to think of it, Auburn and OSU had pretty good defenses against OR in those games. Maybe, just maybe that was the difference and defense is STILL WHAT MATTERS. Hum, just a thought.

That's fine, but OSU was still losing to bum teams like Illinois and Wisconsin when Tressel was coaching them with a top-10 defense.

OSU had higher ranked defense with Tressel. In-fact, Fickel, who sucks, was his dcoordinator and their defense were usually ranked in the top-10. Doesn't matter. Urban has a higher margin of victory as OSUs coach and avgs. more total wins per season, when compared to Tressel. All 4 QBs that have logged in time for Urban at OSU are/were not considered Cam Newton type talents. In-fact, Kenny Guiton was an after though for Tressel's staff and all he did was break the single game passing TD record. Urban's 3.5 years have had his teams break all kinds of school records on offense.

Saying he's going to flame out, just because he didn't dominate during his last season at UF is dumb. He's won at least 12 games each year at OSU and I don't see that stopping with their resources, monopoly on in-state talent, and his ability to cherry pick players from other states.

Urban is one heck of a coach, there is no doubt. OSU, unlike UF is the historic top dog of that conference. It is akin to Urban taking Bama job in SEC. No doubt he is and will do well, very well. But history question his sustainability -- actually almost anyone's today. Give Ole Crazy Jim over at the other UM a couple years and revisit what I say. Jim will crush his little head like Saban did and Urban will feel the call of Touchdown Jesus and the Golden Dome -- frigging dude just loves all our enemies. I only wish we get Butch back and help chase he to the Dome and then end his career with a beat down. I will give you one thing, Tressel bet us with a big slow QB running up the middle over and over again -- Randy never did figure out how to stop that. That said, our problem is not our offensive scheme. It is our BOT's resistance to winning.

 

[Barboni]

People are still using the " gimmick" title ? Lmao.

That offense is straight up smash mouth , physical football. It's just in spread formations , which makes it almost impossible to stop. Passing windows are wide open from the defense concentrating on the run. If the qb happens to be dual threat the defense is really f'd.

This. Do people even watch theses teams play? Or do you see a spread offense and says it's a gimmick? And what is Miami DNA? Most these kids grow up playing in the spread offense.

That gimmick offense shoved the ball down Alabamas throat and made them quit. 280 yards rushing, 500+ total. Ran for 300 bs Oregon in the NC.

Urban had to leave town to get back to a title game. He will flame out in Big 10 like he did in SEC. Then on to ND for another title maybe. Bama has won 3 in the meantime and FSU one. Didn't LSU sneak one in also. That is against Auburn and OSU. Keep in mind the OSU was playing OR -- one of them had to win. Oh my, Auburn beat OR too. So if we go with this spread thing all you guy want, we better play OR in the NC game. Granted, if you get Cam Netown for our QB, I am ok with whatever offense you want to run, but how is the OC he had doing at Auburn now? Come to think of it, Auburn and OSU had pretty good defenses against OR in those games. Maybe, just maybe that was the difference and defense is STILL WHAT MATTERS. Hum, just a thought.

That's fine, but OSU was still losing to bum teams like Illinois and Wisconsin when Tressel was coaching them with a top-10 defense.

OSU had higher ranked defense with Tressel. In-fact, Fickel, who sucks, was his dcoordinator and their defense were usually ranked in the top-10. Doesn't matter. Urban has a higher margin of victory as OSUs coach and avgs. more total wins per season, when compared to Tressel. All 4 QBs that have logged in time for Urban at OSU are/were not considered Cam Newton type talents. In-fact, Kenny Guiton was an after though for Tressel's staff and all he did was break the single game passing TD record. Urban's 3.5 years have had his teams break all kinds of school records on offense.

Saying he's going to flame out, just because he didn't dominate during his last season at UF is dumb. He's won at least 12 games each year at OSU and I don't see that stopping with their resources, monopoly on in-state talent, and his ability to cherry pick players from other states.

Urban is one heck of a coach, there is no doubt. OSU, unlike UF is the historic top dog of that conference. It is akin to Urban taking Bama job in SEC. No doubt he is and will do well, very well. But history question his sustainability -- actually almost anyone's today. Give Ole Crazy Jim over at the other UM a couple years and revisit what I say. Jim will crush his little head like Saban did and Urban will feel the call of Touchdown Jesus and the Golden Dome -- frigging dude just loves all our enemies. I only wish we get Butch back and help chase he to the Dome and then end his career with a beat down. I will give you one thing, Tressel bet us with a big slow QB running up the middle over and over again -- Randy never did figure out how to stop that. That said, our problem is not our offensive scheme. It is our BOT's resistance to winning.

Pryor isn't slow. I coached kids that played for OSU when Pryor was on that team. They time their 40s with lasers and he ran in the high 4.3s with 5-finger shoes. He ran the fastest 40 on that OSU team and was known as their best athlete.

 

[Gransapo]

I dunno. I do know what he did at Ohio State. And I do know what he is doing at Houston.

Herman is a savage who would destroy the ACC and win a national title here.

"He" didn't necessarily do it himself at Ohio State. And what he is doing at Houston is beating up on a bunch of really bad teams. Does a Miami fan really need to be reminded about what a team like Houston does when it faces an opponent with a pulse?

He's 7-0 so far in his first year. Sure he may end of tanking but I'm not really sure he can prove more than he is proving right now, unless you expect him to change the schedule mid-season to play an "opponent with a pulse." He most likely isn't going to last long enough at Houston so I guess he may never be a legitimate candidate in your eyes.

Weird argument.

A weird argument is assuming that he is going to be a great coach anywhere just because he is 7-0 with a schedule that doesn't provide a challenge. Do we want to be the program that takes the chance?

I seem to recall a former corch recently starting a season 7-0. Let's see what he does in this next three game stretch.

 

[AUcane]

Lol at calling Pryor slow - lots of revisionist history here. He was an elite athlete. I don't know about 4.3 but he was faster than all of our LBs and most of our DBs that gsnr

 

[Barboni]

Lol at calling Pryor slow - lots of revisionist history here. He was an elite athlete. I don't know about 4.3 but he was faster than all of our LBs and most of our DBs that gsnr

One of those kids that I coached showed me a pic of all of the 40 times that year. He ran a high 4.3. That team had a track and field all American sprinter in James Jackson, who TP beat in the 40. He was very athletic. I remember him catching that TD pass against UT in the bowl game during his freshman season, despite never practicing with the WRs. His stiff arm at 6'6" also made him near impossible to tackle 1v1.

 

[Gatorhater]

This. Do people even watch theses teams play? Or do you see a spread offense and says it's a gimmick? And what is Miami DNA? Most these kids grow up playing in the spread offense.

That gimmick offense shoved the ball down Alabamas throat and made them quit. 280 yards rushing, 500+ total. Ran for 300 bs Oregon in the NC.

Urban had to leave town to get back to a title game. He will flame out in Big 10 like he did in SEC. Then on to ND for another title maybe. Bama has won 3 in the meantime and FSU one. Didn't LSU sneak one in also. That is against Auburn and OSU. Keep in mind the OSU was playing OR -- one of them had to win. Oh my, Auburn beat OR too. So if we go with this spread thing all you guy want, we better play OR in the NC game. Granted, if you get Cam Netown for our QB, I am ok with whatever offense you want to run, but how is the OC he had doing at Auburn now? Come to think of it, Auburn and OSU had pretty good defenses against OR in those games. Maybe, just maybe that was the difference and defense is STILL WHAT MATTERS. Hum, just a thought.

That's fine, but OSU was still losing to bum teams like Illinois and Wisconsin when Tressel was coaching them with a top-10 defense.

OSU had higher ranked defense with Tressel. In-fact, Fickel, who sucks, was his dcoordinator and their defense were usually ranked in the top-10. Doesn't matter. Urban has a higher margin of victory as OSUs coach and avgs. more total wins per season, when compared to Tressel. All 4 QBs that have logged in time for Urban at OSU are/were not considered Cam Newton type talents. In-fact, Kenny Guiton was an after though for Tressel's staff and all he did was break the single game passing TD record. Urban's 3.5 years have had his teams break all kinds of school records on offense.

Saying he's going to flame out, just because he didn't dominate during his last season at UF is dumb. He's won at least 12 games each year at OSU and I don't see that stopping with their resources, monopoly on in-state talent, and his ability to cherry pick players from other states.

Urban is one heck of a coach, there is no doubt. OSU, unlike UF is the historic top dog of that conference. It is akin to Urban taking Bama job in SEC. No doubt he is and will do well, very well. But history question his sustainability -- actually almost anyone's today. Give Ole Crazy Jim over at the other UM a couple years and revisit what I say. Jim will crush his little head like Saban did and Urban will feel the call of Touchdown Jesus and the Golden Dome -- frigging dude just loves all our enemies. I only wish we get Butch back and help chase he to the Dome and then end his career with a beat down. I will give you one thing, Tressel bet us with a big slow QB running up the middle over and over again -- Randy never did figure out how to stop that. That said, our problem is not our offensive scheme. It is our BOT's resistance to winning.

Pryor isn't slow. I coached kids that played for OSU when Pryor was on that team. They time their 40s with lasers and he ran in the high 4.3s with 5-finger shoes. He ran the fastest 40 on that OSU team and was known as their best athlete.

I was taking about the white kid who beat us in the NC game with basically a QB draw over and over again. Randy was DC then. Not the game in the Columbus with Randy as HC. I forget his name.