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Due diligence on Tom Herman

Consigliere said:
Jaromir Jagr said:
McGahee2TheHouse said:
Name them.

You aren't seeing Tom Herman showing up and creating a monster. I'm not seeing 21-17 the four previous years as "being in good shape" to where anyone could show up and start off undefeated.
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Name the coaches who could beat 2-5 Tulane, 3-4 Tulsa, 1-6 SMU, 0-8 UCF, two FCS teams, and 3-4 Louisville? How much bandwidth do we have?
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Now we're creating hypothetical science experiments.

He plays Vandy this week. If he beats two P5 teams, that is something. Sub P5 aren't supposed to do that.
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I list the teams he has played = hypothetical

You write that maybe he could have success with a QB like Kayaa = real talk

Got it.
 
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MIATL said:
Then, you clearly must be "all in" on Justin Fuente, right?

He showed up to a dumpster fire; built them to a 10 win team, beat BYU in a bowl game, and has them undefeated this season. All within 4 seasons ... And as a 1st time HC.

So, is your knock against Herman because you are a "Fuente guy", or are you just anti-any guy not named Butch Davis?
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Or maybe I enjoy talking about the coaching search and don't have the desire to get personal and label other posters based on their opinions. Am I on the wrong board for that?

I'm not knocking Herman. I'm hesitant because of the limited head coaching evidence.

I'm not a "Fuente guy" or a "Butch guy". I'm a guy who wants to enjoy Miami football again.
 
Jaromir Jagr said:
Consigliere said:
I have addressed this already. But we're not playing "what if" we're evaluating his actual tenure.
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As I showed a few posts above, his tenure hasn't seen a single challenge yet.
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2 Things:

1. Wasn't last year at OSU a challenge? With all the QBs? Still won the NC (scored 84 total points against Bama and Oregon).

2. He isn't just winning these games though. He is winning by 4 TDs on average. That is pretty impressive. It is one thing to inch by, it is another to dominate.
 
My only concern with Herman is using the QB in the running game is a key component of his offense. At the end of the day, it's not a dealbreaker, but we have two more years with Kaaya. I'd like to think Herman can adapt to Kaaya until he finds himself a proper dual-threat successor.
 
Jaromir Jagr said:
MIATL said:
Then, you clearly must be "all in" on Justin Fuente, right?

He showed up to a dumpster fire; built them to a 10 win team, beat BYU in a bowl game, and has them undefeated this season. All within 4 seasons ... And as a 1st time HC.

So, is your knock against Herman because you are a "Fuente guy", or are you just anti-any guy not named Butch Davis?
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Or maybe I enjoy talking about the coaching search and don't have the desire to get personal and label other posters based on their opinions. Am I on the wrong board for that?

I'm not knocking Herman. I'm hesitant because of the limited head coaching evidence.

I'm not a "Fuente guy" or a "Butch guy". I'm a guy who wants to enjoy Miami football again.
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Which is understandable, I suppose.

Given that, who is on your list? Other than Butch (who I would take in a heartbeat), what other viable candidates have this vast resume of head coaching experience?

I'm all for getting a sure thing, but the problem is that they are at big time programs and in the NFL.
 
Consigliere said:
Jaromir Jagr said:
Consigliere said:
I have addressed this already. But we're not playing "what if" we're evaluating his actual tenure.
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As I showed a few posts above, his tenure hasn't seen a single challenge yet.
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2 Things:

1. Wasn't last year at OSU a challenge? With all the QBs? Still won the NC (scored 84 total points against Bama and Oregon).

2. He isn't just winning these games though. He is winning by 4 TDs on average. That is pretty impressive. It is one thing to inch by, it is another to dominate.
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I was talking about his head coaching tenure, but I do believe that the QB situation was handled very impressively at Ohio State last year.

They are certainly fun to watch, that's for sure.
 
Jaromir Jagr said:
MIATL said:
Then, you clearly must be "all in" on Justin Fuente, right?

He showed up to a dumpster fire; built them to a 10 win team, beat BYU in a bowl game, and has them undefeated this season. All within 4 seasons ... And as a 1st time HC.

So, is your knock against Herman because you are a "Fuente guy", or are you just anti-any guy not named Butch Davis?
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Or maybe I enjoy talking about the coaching search and don't have the desire to get personal and label other posters based on their opinions. Am I on the wrong board for that?

I'm not knocking Herman. I'm hesitant because of the limited head coaching evidence.

I'm not a "Fuente guy" or a "Butch guy". I'm a guy who wants to enjoy Miami football again.
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So, your goal is to just poke hole in prospective candidates?

You have no preference?

Just looking for friendly debate?

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Jaromir Jagr said:
Consigliere said:
Jaromir Jagr said:
McGahee2TheHouse said:
Name them.

You aren't seeing Tom Herman showing up and creating a monster. I'm not seeing 21-17 the four previous years as "being in good shape" to where anyone could show up and start off undefeated.
Click to expand...

Name the coaches who could beat 2-5 Tulane, 3-4 Tulsa, 1-6 SMU, 0-8 UCF, two FCS teams, and 3-4 Louisville? How much bandwidth do we have?
Click to expand...

Now we're creating hypothetical science experiments.

He plays Vandy this week. If he beats two P5 teams, that is something. Sub P5 aren't supposed to do that.
Click to expand...

I list the teams he has played = hypothetical

You write that maybe he could have success with a QB like Kayaa = real talk

Got it.
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I am making an inference based on his track record. He takes QB A and makes him play better. He makes QB B and makes him play better. What happens with QB C?
 
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CanesAreAble said:
My only concern with Herman is using the QB in the running game is a key component of his offense. At the end of the day, it's not a dealbreaker, but we have two more years with Kaaya. I'd like to think Herman can adapt to Kaaya until he finds himself a proper dual-threat successor.
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I actually think going forward post-Kaaya that would be a huge plus for South Florida QB/ATH types.
 
McGahee2TheHouse said:
I'm hesitant because of the limited head coaching evidence.

Which is understandable, I suppose.

Given that, who is on your list? Other than Butch (who I would take in a heartbeat), what other viable candidates have this vast resume of head coaching experience?

I'm all for getting a sure thing, but the problem is that they are at big times programs and the NFL.
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Yeah, that's why Blake gets the big bucks and I don't. He has to make the right call and find THAT guy. I'm just terrified that the next coach, whoever that is, extends this streak of misery another five years. It has to be the right call this time.

Trust me, if we hire Herman, I'm on board. The last thing I'm going to do is shoot the guy down from day one every time something doesn't go our way.
 
Jaromir Jagr said:
McGahee2TheHouse said:
Name them.

You aren't seeing Tom Herman showing up and creating a monster. I'm not seeing 21-17 the four previous years as "being in good shape" to where anyone could show up and start off undefeated.
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Name the coaches who could beat 2-5 Tulane, 3-4 Tulsa, 1-6 SMU, 0-8 UCF, two FCS teams, and 3-4 Louisville? How much bandwidth do we have?
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Well, for starters, Houston couldn't beat Tulane last year, so....
 
McGahee2TheHouse said:
Gatorhater said:
Urban has similar thing going. He brings his offense into new conference and tear it up for a few years. Then the other teams adjust and he has to move on to new place. He will go the ND next. Gimmicks are always like that. Urban is hack of a coach but only with "his" system. That system is not Miami DNA. We just fired a coach who wanted to practice genetic engineering; do we want another? With our WRs, it is better for WB to stand that extra second in the pocket while they get open. Also, with our RBs why have your QB recruiting determined by 40 times. Why have the formula that ruled football, just use it with right coach. A running QB is another DNA mismatch.
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Gimmicks don't win 3 national championships

You have to be incredibly dense to believe that you can gimmick your way to those types of wins.
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People are still using the " gimmick" title ? Lmao.

That offense is straight up smash mouth , physical football. It's just in spread formations , which makes it almost impossible to stop. Passing windows are wide open from the defense concentrating on the run. If the qb happens to be dual threat the defense is really f'd.
 
Jaromir Jagr said:
Notsince1985 said:
Jaromir Jagr said:
Consigliere said:
I think some people expect him to be 22-0 after coaching 7 games as an HC.
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Or maybe have a little more to go on than 7 wins that were going to happen with Greg Ward at QB no matter who the coach was.
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Greg Ward was bad last year. He's great this year. So, there's that.
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He is a running back against very bad teams.
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A RB on pace to throw for 3,000 yards
 
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Jaromir Jagr said:
Consigliere said:
Yes but Herman is the coach and the play is MUCH better. He also has a track record of doing it.

Does it translate to a guy like Kaaya? No. But Kaaya is a different type of QB. Does that mean he can't have success with that type of QB?
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Is the play really THAT much better? There is more than one kind of 7-0.

Your last sentence is scary. Wouldn't we want evidence that a guy has a certain skill before handing him the keys? His QB right now runs around and scores by himself.
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The play is that much better. Did you see the numbers I posted? These are the actual numbers. As is the performance of GWJ.

The last sentence is an inference based on track record. I don't see why he couldn't do well with a talented immobile pocket passer. If we gave him Peyton Manning, does that mean he benches him for Vick? I don't get it. Why can't he win with Kaaya? Since he wins with a different type of QB it means he can't adjust to Kaaya?
 
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