DTs and Jackson update - Tuesday 11PM

[MIA42178]

Patchan back to DE?

 

[rok]

We're seeing the reason why Kul was stuck in Missouri for 15 years. This guy has no idea what's going on outside of a film room or the practice field.

 

[orange&green84]

ask channing crowder about draft grades and leaving early

For every 1 guy that actually pans out, there are 100 that don't even make it. There are 256 guys that get drafted. You think all of them even make it into their first NFL season? They don't.

Also, LB isn't DT.

You obviously dont know the story smart guy.

He was given 1st round grade out by draft advisory board and Kiper, but went in the 3rd.

If RJ is getting a avg of 3rd round grade by 6 teams, then he probably is gonna be a 5-6th rnd pick. I would bet that Kendrick goes in a late round or possibly FA. You have to be real about the situation.

My mistake. I thought you were pointing out a success story on leaving early. Crowder would go onto having a decent career. We're on the same page.

 

[mjarv21]

So we have supposedly the best DL coach in the business, spots being vacated left and right and yet we can't find anyone to come in and play. Something isn't adding up here.

I hate to say it but BAGS. How can you explain other DL going to other schools that are already stacked at DL when we are wide open for playing time next year. NCAA supposed to promote a level playing field but the way the current system is now set up only the top dogs get the good players and can get into the playoffs. Miami and Wisconsin have a good record but weak schedule? Narrative is they have to go undefeated to get in the playoff because of the 'weak' schedule. Alabama has weak schedule and doesn't even win their conference, no one talks about it and they get in.

 

[KrazyCane]

dumb decision if they indeed go pro. they aint even ready for that level yet and will sell themselves like a $10 hooker. instead choose to come back, refine your skills, and get 1/2 round money

Why does this logic make sense on this board?? They rathervmake money now than two years from now it's really that simple.

 

[TallyCane]

10th coach needs to be a guy that can recruit the DL.

 

[Jonnyblaze]

When it makes all the sense in the world to come back BOTH for the team and themselves, and yet they cant conceive that, its infuriating. I know a lot will say you don't know their situation.

No, you are ignoring one thing. Injury. A serious one, blown knee..and their football careers might be over. Zero chance of football $$, barring a miracle in FA down the road.
Even a 3rd round pick (not guaranteed, but possible for either) is somewhere around $3 mill, though only $750k guaranteed. That's even with injury in camp I believe.
You all are viewing this myopically as fans. I'd love for them to return, but I wouldn't listen to a single fool on a message board about what decision to make with my life...and I'm not in their shoes. Yes, they could make a lot more by returning, balling out and getting drafted higher. Or they could bust a knee and get Ditka. I'm not going to hold it against either for leaving just because I want them to stay.

Agreed.

Mofos forget the league minimum is around 400k. That's good money.

 

[bshaw28]

We all want guys on the team who are talented enough to turn pro early. So why get mad at them when they do?

You should be mad at the coaches for only getting 3 DT's in the last 3 recruiting classes (so far).

 

[westcoastcanes]

dumb decision if they indeed go pro. they aint even ready for that level yet and will sell themselves like a $10 hooker. instead choose to come back, refine your skills, and get 1/2 round money

Why does this logic make sense on this board?? They rathervmake money now than two years from now it's really that simple.

Because some of the people on this board understand the concept of delaying gratification for long term best interest.

 

[Canes_]

So we have supposedly the best DL coach in the business, spots being vacated left and right and yet we can't find anyone to come in and play. Something isn't adding up here.

DL prospects are probably the most heavily recruited and Kul has openly said he doesn't like recruiting.

 

[orange&green84]

dumb decision if they indeed go pro. they aint even ready for that level yet and will sell themselves like a $10 hooker. instead choose to come back, refine your skills, and get 1/2 round money

Why does this logic make sense on this board?? They rathervmake money now than two years from now it's really that simple.

Because some of the people on this board understand the concept of delaying gratification for long term best interest.

This

 

[QuattroCane]

MAN Y'ALL CLOSE THIS THREAD THEY GONE ............. THEY GONE. WHY KEEP THIS **** OPEN SO OTHER GROWN MEN CAN COME CRY ABOUT HOW THE SKY IS FALLING......


NO ITS NOT TO PLAYERS ARE LEAVING BIG ****ING DEAL WE'LL MANAGE THIS IS THE ACC NOT LIKE WE'RE PLAYING SOME OFFENSIVE JUGGERNAUTS WEEK END AND WEEK OUT THE GOAL IS TO PLAY IN THE ACC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME AND WIN ALL OF THEM IF POSSIBLE BUT AT A MINIMUM PLAY IN THE ACCCG EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.



THAT'S SUSTAINED WINNING RECRUITING WILL CONTINUE TO GET BETTER.

Anybody else read Jackson's post yelling in their head?

 

[hoover437]

we just need pastor richt to continue putting that holy water on this program, we are getting rid of the curse on us. maybe one more year. don't get it that both would leave, they showed nothing worthy of them leaving early. we continue to leave based on school name and potential and get nothing...smh

 

[CaneFan79]

So we have supposedly the best DL coach in the business, spots being vacated left and right and yet we can't find anyone to come in and play. Something isn't adding up here.

I hate to say it but BAGS. How can you explain other DL going to other schools that are already stacked at DL when we are wide open for playing time next year. NCAA supposed to promote a level playing field but the way the current system is now set up only the top dogs get the good players and can get into the playoffs. Miami and Wisconsin have a good record but weak schedule? Narrative is they have to go undefeated to get in the playoff because of the 'weak' schedule. Alabama has weak schedule and doesn't even win their conference, no one talks about it and they get in.

Welcome to CIS; threads galore about Bagmen, 'Bama, big $$$, and the NCAA turning a blindeye, some from yours truly...

https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/mark-emmert-reform/128899


https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/ncaa-compliance-dont-laugh/101149

https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/alabamas-dominance-context-death-cfb/104100

https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/bagmen-bama/128367?highlight=SEC+Bagman

Oh, if you think ACC refs are biased next year, we have covered that too.

https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/duke-game-primer-acc-officiating-bias-proven/113883

 

[Ammok]

dumb decision if they indeed go pro. they aint even ready for that level yet and will sell themselves like a $10 hooker. instead choose to come back, refine your skills, and get 1/2 round money

Why does this logic make sense on this board?? They rathervmake money now than two years from now it's really that simple.

Because some of the people on this board understand the concept of delaying gratification for long term best interest.

What long term interest if they blow a knee or have some serious injury in spring practice? How much are they guaranteed then, being their senior year?
Are these "some people" on the board guaranteeing $400-$750k (maybe as much as $3M) if either blows their knee?

 

[DTP]

When it makes all the sense in the world to come back BOTH for the team and themselves, and yet they cant conceive that, its infuriating. I know a lot will say you don't know their situation.

No, you are ignoring one thing. Injury. A serious one, blown knee..and their football careers might be over. Zero chance of football $$, barring a miracle in FA down the road.
Even a 3rd round pick (not guaranteed, but possible for either) is somewhere around $3 mill, though only $750k guaranteed. That's even with injury in camp I believe.
You all are viewing this myopically as fans. I'd love for them to return, but I wouldn't listen to a single fool on a message board about what decision to make with my life...and I'm not in their shoes. Yes, they could make a lot more by returning, balling out and getting drafted higher. Or they could bust a knee and get Ditka. I'm not going to hold it against either for leaving just because I want them to stay.

The topic's already been mentioned in countless threads but players can take out insurance policies through the school to cover career ending injuries. The list of guys who have injured themselves coming back for another year is tiny compare to the list of guys who left early and never played in the league. Obviously, it's a case by case scenario but returning for a senior season rarely hurts a player in terms of future earnings.

 

[acento]

So we have supposedly the best DL coach in the business, spots being vacated left and right and yet we can't find anyone to come in and play. Something isn't adding up here.

DL prospects are probably the most heavily recruited and Kul has openly said he doesn't like recruiting.

I get that and don’t expect every coach to be a great recruiter. He’s an unbelievable coach and his reputation should say enough to incoming recruits.

But there’s plenty of playing time available and the opportunity to be coached up by one of the best. Yet current players can’t get out fast enough and recruits are scarce.

There’s something that doesn’t feel right.

 

[uncw305]

This is absolutely awful. Can't count on freshman DT's to play right away. And we don't even have any to count on.

I'm guessing opposing teams are going to average 8 yards a carry on us. Oh, but we have Gerald Willis. Guy probably won't make it thru spring camp.

JUCO time.

 

[DTP]

MAN Y'ALL CLOSE THIS THREAD THEY GONE ............. THEY GONE. WHY KEEP THIS **** OPEN SO OTHER GROWN MEN CAN COME CRY ABOUT HOW THE SKY IS FALLING......


NO ITS NOT TO PLAYERS ARE LEAVING BIG ****ING DEAL WE'LL MANAGE THIS IS THE ACC NOT LIKE WE'RE PLAYING SOME OFFENSIVE JUGGERNAUTS WEEK END AND WEEK OUT THE GOAL IS TO PLAY IN THE ACC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME AND WIN ALL OF THEM IF POSSIBLE BUT AT A MINIMUM PLAY IN THE ACCCG EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS.



THAT'S SUSTAINED WINNING RECRUITING WILL CONTINUE TO GET BETTER.

Anybody else read Jackson's post yelling in their head?

lol. I love me some JJBRO. You may not always agree with him but you know he's always 100%.

 

[Ammok]

The list of guys who have injured themselves coming back for another year is tiny compare to the list of guys who left early and never played in the league.

Neither of these guys are on the latter list per the advisory analysis, just highly improbable as early rounders. 3rd-5th far more likely. That's altogether different from not drafted/never play in league.