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DT Frederic Sainteus Commits to Miami

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Bender said:
It is still September and we are already arguing about who is a take and who is not a take for this program. So let us go through his timeline of events.

1. His first offer was this summer. He was offered by FAU on June 4th. At that point in time, he was not ranked by recruiting services, as this happened on July 28th, which is almost two months afterwards.

2. By the looks of it, he is a multi-sport-athlete. Wrestles and is a discus thrower. He did not play football apparently since the start of the sophomore season for a program that is not highly recognized because he immigrated from Haiti due to increased violence. Which means, in essence: The kid is green and has not played a lot of football.

Based on these two sets of information, we can safely say that this kid is a late starter to this sport and has just been recognized by recruiting services. As much as we can question his offer list, he was recently offered by Florida, Florida State and Michigan State. I would argue that this is a tremendous development for a kid who received his first actual offer almost four months ago.

Not to mention, because this is a new thing and people tend to forget: We have new scholarship limits. 105 players in this program can participate on the basis of a scholarship. Do I take this kid on a scholarship over a walk-on? Yep.

Now, the big question: Is he a take overall? How about the following response: We do not know. It has been mentioned too often to count that not every offer is a commitable offer and not every commitment is binding. Kids get dropped from their commitment all the time because other players who are higher on the board are ready to commit. This kid has just started playing football, has transferred to a new school and is still in the process of learning and developing basic technique whilst already showing up on tape.

So, instead of saying that this kid should not be taken (in September, mind you), let him enjoy his final season as a high school player and we will decide later on whether he is good enough or not.
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This is German for "kiss my shiny metal ***!"
 
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Dwinstitles said:
Fair

We still need elite guys with elite offers, and the elite offers have to be full court press trying to get that recruit. But to question the take is fair, this is why we have this forum.
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It's great discussion and discourse which we should have and encourage. However, it might be more productive if the discussion as to why any player isn't a take by simply pointing to the lack of stars or the player's number on some arbitrary ranking system.

The kid has size and is a multiple sport kid (he's a track and field thrower, and a wrestler...athletic and loves to compete - all positive traits). Besides that what does the film tell us about his play? That question is vastly more fruitful for discussion than "the player isn't a take because he's a former FAU commit."

This isn't directed at you, by the way, just a general comment regarding maybe how we should discuss players rather than focusing on something as arbitrary as #1995 player ranking. Rankings only tell part of the story - there's always context as we see with this kid now - for instance, Mali Toney was a 3* when he signed (reclassification is the context there).
 
P-Tizzle said:
Okay keyboard warrior. It’s fair criticism to judge whether a recruit that is #1995 and a former FAU commit is a take for a team that is hunting for a national title. In the portal era, stashing guys for development seems not to work and the portal is in his future. The guy’s best offer was us and a bunch of ******* slap ****s.

I didn’t have to search for long to see you criticize one of our players but of course, your criticism is fair, but not mine. Go figure. How about this? I’ve offered an opinion and a decent analysis of why I should feel the way I do about this recruit. Argue the point instead of an ad hominem. Deal?
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You clearly just looking at his ranking and the fact he was a FAU commit dude just started playing football! OJ was the 97th ranked player in Florida an started his Freshman year. Whats the point in going in on this kid when you clearly dont know? Sure he will get a huge bump after senior year probably didnt even play much last year. As people have said he has blown up off senior film which is recently like in the last month. Let it play out 115 players just started this year. Just because theres a portal doesn't mean you cant stash players we went into this year with 3 DT we could depend on its a position of need!
 
P-Tizzle said:
Okay keyboard warrior. It’s fair criticism to judge whether a recruit that is #1995 and a former FAU commit is a take for a team that is hunting for a national title. In the portal era, stashing guys for development seems not to work and the portal is in his future. The guy’s best offer was us and a bunch of ******* slap ****s.

I didn’t have to search for long to see you criticize one of our players but of course, your criticism is fair, but not mine. Go figure. How about this? I’ve offered an opinion and a decent analysis of why I should feel the way I do about this recruit. Argue the point instead of an ad hominem. Deal?
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Your analysis and reason is not true and surface level. You can complain about his offer list, but this idea that there’s no more development due to the portal or there’s no such things as late bloomers is not true at all. Every year there’s lower rank guys who are getting drafted and contributing to winning. If u can Identify them, grab them. Now does UM still need to get a highly rated DT, ofc.
 
90scane said:
Good swim move. Dude owns a gap. We will likely need to learn a ton but playing lg on O should help him. Has one **** of a motor.
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I saw that on the tape. One can only imaging if he has a natural swim move at this age what will he look like after Jason Taylor gets through with him?
 
Knocking a kid for committing to an early lower tier team offer when he wasnt a known recruit is short sighted. Tons of kids are late bloomers, dont camp, etc…. Being 6’4 285 already, and if they like his game tape, i trust them. Kid will be 300+ as a FR.
 
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P-Tizzle said:
Okay keyboard warrior. It’s fair criticism to judge whether a recruit that is #1995 and a former FAU commit is a take for a team that is hunting for a national title. In the portal era, stashing guys for development seems not to work and the portal is in his future. The guy’s best offer was us and a bunch of ******* slap ****s.

I didn’t have to search for long to see you criticize one of our players but of course, your criticism is fair, but not mine. Go figure. How about this? I’ve offered an opinion and a decent analysis of why I should feel the way I do about this recruit. Argue the point instead of an ad hominem. Deal?
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So you are a star 304, that makes sense.
 
mj33 said:
If u build culture and championships, you should be able to. Isnt that why pancakes and others have stuck around?
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Maybe, and hear me out…..maybe Samson was making more money to stay than he would have received from another team? Did you consider that? Probably not.
 
Cane44 said:
Knocking a kid for committing to an early lower tier team offer when he wasnt a known recruit is short sighted. Tons of kids are late bloomers, dont camp, etc…. Being 6’4 285 already, and if they like his game tape, i trust them. Kid will be 300+ as a FR.
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cam ward and Marty brown were fcs players, there can still be hidden gems.
 
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