You also gotta have a healthy set of balls....yet another thing AG is lacking.
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You also gotta have a healthy set of balls....yet another thing AG is lacking.
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Im not too sure about that. I would want my Head Coach to be a X and O guy on one side of the ball. Also, what happens when that Great Coordinator takes a higher job? You are at the mercy of the open market.
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Very true. Dude goes into a shell in nearly every game for one reason or another. I don't remember ever seeing us play aggressively for an entire game.
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Yup...Philbin was lacking in the sack department as well
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Here is my original quote.
That is why Doug Marrone at Cuse left, he did well for what he had at Cuse.
This whole tangent, that you have continued on for no reason other than an obsession with me, is because you don't understand English.
All I said was he did well for what he had at Cuse.
Other times he was a "success" because of what he had to deal with, pick argument and stick with it Conman.
I replied...
As for Doug Marrone, the last time Cuse had a winning season was 2001. The last time they won a bowl game was also 2001. In the 4 years before Doug Marrone arrived, Syracuse won 10 total games. That is not an exaggeration. They won 10 games. So for a coach to come in and win 2 bowl games and have (2) 8 win seasons for a dead program. That is "success". This doesn't mean this is good for Miami but a dormant program like Syracuse, this is "success".
Again, you still don't understand. I was impressed at how quickly he was able to do something. That is all. You then went on some diatribe about Schiano blah blah blah blah and how the comparison wasn't fair.
Potato,
I am glad you responded again and yes you're obsessed. The constant need to re-read and misinterpret my other posts, amazing stuff.
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Bait and switch, is this real life? Those are facts that defend why Marrone had greater "success" than Schiano. Feel free to disagree and ********** in your tinfoil hat.
Again, Schiano never won the conference and it took him 6 years to win a bowl game. It took him 5 years to have a winning record. Marrone did it 2 years. So in 2004, after VT/Miami left, Schiano in his 4th season at Rutgers finished 4-7 (1-5). His record actually REGRESSED from the year before and it got easier in conference. I am using the same criteria. Schiano NEVER won the conference and it took 5 years to have a winning season. So he never was able to win a bad conference. I deem what Marrone did as success, since he rather quickly, won a bowl game and took them from the bottom dwellers. He even beat Schiano twice.
In Year 2, he was able to beat a RANKED #19 WVU. I give Marrone credit for taking his team to a Bowl Game in the second season.
Your side note above is not in english.
Marrone, in his last 3 seasons at Cuse beat the following ranked teams:
2010: #19 WVU
2011: #11 WVU
2012: #10 Louisville (BCS Sugar Bowl Champs)
Not sure why they don't count.
I never heard anyone make an argument for a revamped BE consisting of those teams. My guess is you found some random combination of teams where Schiano did slightly above .500 over 7 seasons. Also, all of those teams were in the BE till 2011 (WVU left in 2012).
Also, you're using Schiano's 5th - 11th seasons to compare it to Marrone's 1st - 4th season. That is fair in Potato land. Nice equal comparison. When all things were equal and heads up? What happened? Schiano had a 1-2 record against Marrone in head-to-head competition.
See the first part above.
Draw conclusions like who is a better coach head-to head? Is this real life?
The conversation started because you can't read. Here is the quote again:
Bill O'Brien did a great job considering what happened at PSU and what he had to deal with. That is success. That is why Doug Marrone at Cuse left, he did well for what he had at Cuse.
So yes, given what happen at PSU, he did a great job. He even was coach of the year. Others agree as well as evidenced by the award. Same thing with Marrone, I think Buffalo was impressed with how QUICKLY he took a dead program and achieved success (in Cuse terms).
Why did Schiano receive an HC gig? I don't know. I wouldn't have hired him. I think what makes him good in college doesn't mean chit in the pros. I think Schiano is a good recruiter and that makes a difference in college.
I think this sums up Schiano... The hire was generally considered surprising (as "college" coaches, historically, tend to experience a high rate of failure at the NFL/professional level); Schiano's mere 68–67 record at Rutgers received less scrutiny at the time, as high-profile, upset victories had enhanced media/popular perceptions of Schiano's effectiveness. The Buccaneers ended the 2012–2013 regular season with a 7–9 record, missing the playoffs in the process. In the 2013-2014 season, the team regressed to 4–12.
The NFL records only indicate what happens when professional coaches are matched against professional coaches. It was just a fun fact.
Bill O'Brien coached at PSU in 2012 and 2013. Any restorations that happened in 2014 (or after) didn't help him in the 2012 or 2013 seasons. I misspoke when I said 40. I deeply apologize. But this is what a Potato does, he makes a tangent about some minor point and digs his heels in firm.
Transfers + 2012 Ships Down (I didn't count decommits, I only pointed them out) + 2013 Ships Down
18 + 6 + 10
Again, this goes back to the original point which you misinterpreted.
Bill O'Brien did a great job considering what happened at PSU and what he had to deal with. That is success. That is why Doug Marrone at Cuse left, he did well for what he had at Cuse.
So yes, Bill was not expected to do much at PSU due to the what happened. Do you understand or no?
That is why Doug Marrone at Cuse left, he did well for what he had at Cuse.
This whole tangent, that you have continued on for no reason other than an obsession with me, is because you don't understand English.
All I said was he did well for what he had at Cuse.
Other times he was a "success" because of what he had to deal with, pick argument and stick with it Conman.
I replied...
As for Doug Marrone, the last time Cuse had a winning season was 2001. The last time they won a bowl game was also 2001. In the 4 years before Doug Marrone arrived, Syracuse won 10 total games. That is not an exaggeration. They won 10 games. So for a coach to come in and win 2 bowl games and have (2) 8 win seasons for a dead program. That is "success". This doesn't mean this is good for Miami but a dormant program like Syracuse, this is "success".
Again, you still don't understand. I was impressed at how quickly he was able to do something. That is all. You then went on some diatribe about Schiano blah blah blah blah and how the comparison wasn't fair.
Potato,
I am glad you responded again and yes you're obsessed. The constant need to re-read and misinterpret my other posts, amazing stuff.
-
Bait and switch, is this real life? Those are facts that defend why Marrone had greater "success" than Schiano. Feel free to disagree and ********** in your tinfoil hat.
Again, Schiano never won the conference and it took him 6 years to win a bowl game. It took him 5 years to have a winning record. Marrone did it 2 years. So in 2004, after VT/Miami left, Schiano in his 4th season at Rutgers finished 4-7 (1-5). His record actually REGRESSED from the year before and it got easier in conference. I am using the same criteria. Schiano NEVER won the conference and it took 5 years to have a winning season. So he never was able to win a bad conference. I deem what Marrone did as success, since he rather quickly, won a bowl game and took them from the bottom dwellers. He even beat Schiano twice.
In Year 2, he was able to beat a RANKED #19 WVU. I give Marrone credit for taking his team to a Bowl Game in the second season.
Your side note above is not in english.
Marrone, in his last 3 seasons at Cuse beat the following ranked teams:
2010: #19 WVU
2011: #11 WVU
2012: #10 Louisville (BCS Sugar Bowl Champs)
Not sure why they don't count.
I never heard anyone make an argument for a revamped BE consisting of those teams. My guess is you found some random combination of teams where Schiano did slightly above .500 over 7 seasons. Also, all of those teams were in the BE till 2011 (WVU left in 2012).
Also, you're using Schiano's 5th - 11th seasons to compare it to Marrone's 1st - 4th season. That is fair in Potato land. Nice equal comparison. When all things were equal and heads up? What happened? Schiano had a 1-2 record against Marrone in head-to-head competition.
See the first part above.
Draw conclusions like who is a better coach head-to head? Is this real life?
The conversation started because you can't read. Here is the quote again:
Bill O'Brien did a great job considering what happened at PSU and what he had to deal with. That is success. That is why Doug Marrone at Cuse left, he did well for what he had at Cuse.
So yes, given what happen at PSU, he did a great job. He even was coach of the year. Others agree as well as evidenced by the award. Same thing with Marrone, I think Buffalo was impressed with how QUICKLY he took a dead program and achieved success (in Cuse terms).
Why did Schiano receive an HC gig? I don't know. I wouldn't have hired him. I think what makes him good in college doesn't mean chit in the pros. I think Schiano is a good recruiter and that makes a difference in college.
I think this sums up Schiano... The hire was generally considered surprising (as "college" coaches, historically, tend to experience a high rate of failure at the NFL/professional level); Schiano's mere 68–67 record at Rutgers received less scrutiny at the time, as high-profile, upset victories had enhanced media/popular perceptions of Schiano's effectiveness. The Buccaneers ended the 2012–2013 regular season with a 7–9 record, missing the playoffs in the process. In the 2013-2014 season, the team regressed to 4–12.
The NFL records only indicate what happens when professional coaches are matched against professional coaches. It was just a fun fact.
Bill O'Brien coached at PSU in 2012 and 2013. Any restorations that happened in 2014 (or after) didn't help him in the 2012 or 2013 seasons. I misspoke when I said 40. I deeply apologize. But this is what a Potato does, he makes a tangent about some minor point and digs his heels in firm.
Transfers + 2012 Ships Down (I didn't count decommits, I only pointed them out) + 2013 Ships Down
18 + 6 + 10
Again, this goes back to the original point which you misinterpreted.
Bill O'Brien did a great job considering what happened at PSU and what he had to deal with. That is success. That is why Doug Marrone at Cuse left, he did well for what he had at Cuse.
So yes, Bill was not expected to do much at PSU due to the what happened. Do you understand or no?
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Guys I'd love to have as HC:
Hue Jackson (Bengals OC), Chip kelly (Eagles HC), Rob Chudzinski (Colts Asst HC), Chuck Pagano (Colts HC), Josh McDaniels (Patriots OC)
Guys that would be good hires:
Mark Richt (Georgia HC), Brent Venables (Clemson DC), Frank Wilson (LSU Rb), Jeremy Pruitt (Georgia DC), Tom Herman (Houston HC), Lane Kiffen (Bama OC)
Decent Hires:
Justin Fuente (Memphis HC), Mario Cristobal (Bama OL), Greg Schiano (FA), Scott Frost (Oregon OC)
****, I just say we have a grand ol' reunion and hope we get Pagano as HC, Chudzinski as OC (& TE Coach), Butch as DC (and Recruiting Coordinator), Kehoe as OL coach, Beard as WR coach, and whoever else they want on this staff. I'd be so **** happy if that were to happen. Then again, I'd be really **** happy if any of those guys in the top list became HC.
Hue Jackson (Bengals OC), Chip kelly (Eagles HC), Rob Chudzinski (Colts Asst HC), Chuck Pagano (Colts HC), Josh McDaniels (Patriots OC)
Guys that would be good hires:
Mark Richt (Georgia HC), Brent Venables (Clemson DC), Frank Wilson (LSU Rb), Jeremy Pruitt (Georgia DC), Tom Herman (Houston HC), Lane Kiffen (Bama OC)
Decent Hires:
Justin Fuente (Memphis HC), Mario Cristobal (Bama OL), Greg Schiano (FA), Scott Frost (Oregon OC)
****, I just say we have a grand ol' reunion and hope we get Pagano as HC, Chudzinski as OC (& TE Coach), Butch as DC (and Recruiting Coordinator), Kehoe as OL coach, Beard as WR coach, and whoever else they want on this staff. I'd be so **** happy if that were to happen. Then again, I'd be really **** happy if any of those guys in the top list became HC.
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