dont hire mario

I've had some unfathomably incorrect takes on here but anyone claiming that they knew Mario would always eventually succeed here is wrong.


I called for Mario to be hired before Richt was hired (and I was fine with Richt) and before Diaz was hired (and I was not fine with Diaz).

I knew that Mario would always eventually succeed here because he is a stubborn ************ who was going to bring back the JJ-Butch style of evals, recruiting, and playing NO MATTER WHAT.

I know the first couple of years were tough, but if you knew what he was dealing with behind the scenes...good lord, we had guys living IN BROWARD COUNTY...
 
Yeah I was more making a joke. We sat through a lot of bull**** here with promises of “patience”


If the Portal had arrived a few years earlier, Mario could have douched all the idiots off the team at once.

As it was, though, he had to slowly bleed them off the team.
 
Lol thats cause ya'll fell in love with the Idea that a "X's & O's" coach could've turned the program around instantly when in reality we needed a full reset in terms of talent aquisition and overall culture, something that Mario was known for well b4 he was even a thought as HC of Miami. I was ecstatic when he got hired cuz i Knew dude was gonna have us looking diff eventually jus off of recruiting alone. Ppl argued Kiffin should've been hired back then instead and I always pushed against it because I knew a guy like him would never turn Miami into the Dynasties of our glory days. He would've gotten us a couple more wins those first few years n looked respectable faster only to pull the same Mercenary bull**** he always does. Yes Mario had his bumps just like any other coach conducting a full strip down n rebuild so i dont blame the pessimists but we've improved every single year under him and next year "should" end with #6


This is a spot-on post.

Lots of people drooled all over LaneTrain's legs while riding him reverse-cowboy. "Think about what he can do with Miami talent" people said. "At least the offense will be entertaining" people said.

And they were wrong.

Mario built FIU from the ground up before jealous Pete Garcia started ******* with him. Whether certain posters can recognize it or not, Mario was always the right guy to install a Miami-based multi-year plan to get back to the way we used to be. Richt was getting there before Parkinson's began to limit him. But Mario was always the right man for the job.

He ****ed up his Year 1 coordinators. He ****ed up the GaTech kneeldown. Everything else is just the ups and downs of resetting a program as great as Miami is and has been.
 
What youre describing as "knowing" was blind hope. Dogmatic faith. You ended up being right, which I will never deny, but at the time (first few years), you were wrong. Mario had to have some serious "Come to Jesus" moments in order for things to work.

Now going back to the 2018/2019 timeframe, I cant speak to that. I wasn't paying attention to Mario then.

Either way, the last year and a half have been the best time to be a fan.
Lol thats cause ya'll fell in love with the Idea that a "X's & O's" coach could've turned the program around instantly when in reality we needed a full reset in terms of talent aquisition and overall culture, something that Mario was known for well b4 he was even a thought as HC of Miami. I was ecstatic when he got hired cuz i Knew dude was gonna have us looking diff eventually jus off of recruiting alone. Ppl argued Kiffin should've been hired back then instead and I always pushed against it because I knew a guy like him would never turn Miami into the Dynasties of our glory days. He would've gotten us a couple more wins those first few years n looked respectable faster only to pull the same Mercenary bull**** he always does. Yes Mario had his bumps just like any other coach conducting a full strip down n rebuild so i dont blame the pessimists but we've improved every single year under him and next year "should" end with #6
I never got specifics, just heard from the parents of coeds at FAU that he was who everyone thinks he is. Coaches still have to be leaders of men at the end of the day, and I would not want that man mentoring my child.
 
@k9cane I agree with the bolded part completely. Do you think Mario has learned his lesson?

On your last comment about Wash's philosophy, I never want to slow the game down. Maybe that's the right call in the pros where you don't put your starters at risk for garbage points. But we have twice the roster size of an NFL team and are 3-to-4-deep in talent at Miami. I'd hope we let our backups play with abandon, too, so they learn. Maybe if they ***** up and turn the ball over to tighten the score we need to get conservative. But I'd default to maintaining pressure for the entire game otherwise.


I would add the following.

RULE CHANGES - with various clock-related rule-changes, there are fewer drives per game. Mistakes are magnified. Penalties are magnified. You can lose all your momentum on dumb **** and then not have enough time to make up the difference.

DEPTH - (pause?) you mention "play the backups", but I'd just refine that to "rotate multiple guys". I'm not against establishing the run, but how about (a) snap the ball without running down the play clock and (b) rotate running backs (WRs already rotate). That way, you can still wear down the defense with the battering ram of your running game, while upping the tempo and keeping OUR GUYS fresh. Everyone gets more carries, everyone is generally happier. Of course, we need to minimize dumb penalties and do a bit more in our mid-range passing game if our first two runs net us very little.

WIDTH - (pause?) I know we have a very good OL, but it just seems like we don't put as much effort into running the ball wide. And it doesn't just have to be a sprint for the sidelines. In the old days of the late 90s and early 00s, we had a way of running wide where we would seal off the DE and the OLB and create an open WIDE running lane to pop 10 and 15 yard bursts at will. If nothing else, it creates a variety of running lanes that helps to prevent the defense from "guessing correctly" on how to clog up our inside runs.
 
I would add the following.

RULE CHANGES - with various clock-related rule-changes, there are fewer drives per game. Mistakes are magnified. Penalties are magnified. You can lose all your momentum on dumb **** and then not have enough time to make up the difference.

DEPTH - (pause?) you mention "play the backups", but I'd just refine that to "rotate multiple guys". I'm not against establishing the run, but how about (a) snap the ball without running down the play clock and (b) rotate running backs (WRs already rotate). That way, you can still wear down the defense with the battering ram of your running game, while upping the tempo and keeping OUR GUYS fresh. Everyone gets more carries, everyone is generally happier. Of course, we need to minimize dumb penalties and do a bit more in our mid-range passing game if our first two runs net us very little.

WIDTH - (pause?) I know we have a very good OL, but it just seems like we don't put as much effort into running the ball wide. And it doesn't just have to be a sprint for the sidelines. In the old days of the late 90s and early 00s, we had a way of running wide where we would seal off the DE and the OLB and create an open WIDE running lane to pop 10 and 15 yard bursts at will. If nothing else, it creates a variety of running lanes that helps to prevent the defense from "guessing correctly" on how to clog up our inside runs.

100% agree.

I would expect we're already regularly rotating in players when we have 8 DL, 7 WRs, 5-6 CBs and 3-4 RBs who would start at any other program. My point on backups was in addition to that. I want us keep the foot on the gas and rack up a ton of points to the point where we're putting in our three and four deep to give them experience later in the game. Pickett deserves some time at DE, Carter at DT, Pringle and Mallory at RB, etc. Not to mention the fact we brought in SEVEN DL in the class of 2026, some of whom would be starting as true freshmen elsewhere.

And to that I'd like to see less tight OL splits and bunch sets. No issue with using them at right moments like a third or fourth an short. But we have better athletes, which means we should win mismatches when we widen things out. Much harder for the DC to disguise a gap overload against a wide set.
 
The run game is directly from what Mario/Mirabal want and believe in. I dont know why our fans still put this on Dawson when Mirabal is doing interviews saying duo is gods run play and its what he is calling if he has one call and Mario is fist pumping every chance he gets.. You think if Mario wanted something done in run game it would not happen?
Duo is just a gap blocking scheme that has multiple variants & can be utilized from different formations & personnel groupings. Even if what you're saying is true, MC is not forcing Dawson to completely replace the stretch running game with passes to the flats, screens & Malicat. Also, MC has been a proponent of pin & pull his entire career, so if Dawson wanted to call more counters, sweeps, & truck tosses he could. The lack of a perimeter run game is the sole reason why even if Dawson calls the occasional wide zone, it still ends up in the A or B gap, because there is simply no reason for the defense to respect it.
 
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i said the same about Richt. Mario wont work here. Of all the successful coaches we have had, they all share the same characteristic. ALPHA. Each one was without question an unbending, dominant personality. Mario will be a step up from what we have had. But it will end in disappointment. He's no ALPHA. We need a guy who is gonna hurt feelings and spit zero bull****. Hardcore discipline. Our next Coach needs to be an assassin and a tyrant. Mario will fall short

My pick is Kiffin.
He would run the Coastal division almost every year. Mix in some acc championships. I also think some playoff appearances.


Dont hire Mario.

Have at me!
What was way off here besides being wrong is calling previous coaches before Mario alphas. Those were betas gang
 
Bill Walsh's general game plan for each game was very simple -- score early, get ahead to a point where you can unleash your pass rush -- and THEN, you run the ball late in games
That was a sound philosophy to follow in the 80's & 90's because the main objective for a defense entering a game, was to stop the run. Today, the exact opposite is true because of rule changes that are skewed towards the offense, & evolution of the passing game; which is why the base defense for most teams today is the nickel. Trying to establish the run early & often, is actually attempting to exploit where a defense is most vulnerable.

There is a time and place for ball-control and all that stuff -- and that's when you're up big in the 4th quarter
Contrary to popular belief on this forum; as it relates to winning, being able to run the football today is actually significantly more important than passing. That is why since 2016, teams that are able to outrush their opponent end up winning 80% of the time, compared to 60% for teams that pass for more. If we limit the analysis to only playoff teams the number becomes even more lopsided, growing to 96%. The data is crystal clear; running the ball more effectively than your opponent leads to a higher win probability than passing & is equal in importance to turnover margin for deciding the outcome of a game. Needless to say waiting until the 2nd half to establish the running game is not a sound strategy for a variety of reasons:

1.) As FBS games have gotten shorter because of no clock stoppage, teams are averaging fewer plays, & controlling the clock has become even more important

2.) Making a defense tired through the course of a game, while keeping yours fresh

3.) Running the ball makes it easier to achieve a positive turnover margin

4.) Establishing the run keeps their defense as honest as possible

 
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Interesting video, thanks for posting. Takeaways from the analytics in this video:

- High degree of success when passing out of heavy
- 1st and 10 - high degree of success passing the ball
- 3rd and 9 (or less) - analytics support running the ball.

What I took from this - mixup your packages and force the defense to match your package and run a play accordingly. i.e. run the ball out of spread, pass the ball out of a tight/heavy set, etc
That is correct, & also if both coordinators were acting rationally, the optimum run/pass ratio should actually be skewed towards the RUN, not pass, as many believe. However, as u stated, they don't always act rationally, because there's a chess match being played within the game itself, based on constant recalibration.
 
That was a sound philosophy to follow in the 80's & 90's because the main objective for a defense entering a game, was to stop the run. Today, the exact opposite is true because of rule changes that are skewed towards the offense, & evolution of the passing game; which is why the base defense for most teams today is the nickel. Trying to establish the run early & often, is actually attempting to exploit where a defense is most vulnerable.


Contrary to popular belief on this forum; as it relates to winning, being able to run the football today is actually significantly more important than passing. That is why since 2016, teams that are able to outrush their opponent end up winning 80% of the time, compared to 60% for teams that pass for more. If we limit the analysis to only playoff teams the number becomes even more lopsided, growing to 96%. The data is crystal clear; running the ball more effectively than your opponent leads to a higher win probability than passing & is equal in importance to turnover margin for deciding the outcome of a game. Needless to say waiting until the 2nd half to establish the running game is not a sound strategy for a variety of reasons:

1.) As FBS games have gotten shorter because of no clock stoppage, teams are averaging fewer plays, & controlling the clock has become even more important

2.) Making a defense tired through the course of a game, while keeping yours fresh

3.) Running the ball makes it easier to achieve a positive turnover margin

4.) Establishing the run keeps their defense as honest as possible


We can agree to disagree. I'd rather Miami score a lot of points (the earlier the better) than win the National Championship for Time of Possession. Last years offense wasn't good enough and let them down in all three losses.

And when your best player (Toney) is a WR, and you have an elite QB(knock on wood), and a deep and talented crew of WRs -- and maybe a TE defiency -- well, I know which kind of offense I'd run this season
 
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That was a sound philosophy to follow in the 80's & 90's because the main objective for a defense entering a game, was to stop the run. Today, the exact opposite is true because of rule changes that are skewed towards the offense, & evolution of the passing game; which is why the base defense for most teams today is the nickel. Trying to establish the run early & often, is actually attempting to exploit where a defense is most vulnerable.


Contrary to popular belief on this forum; as it relates to winning, being able to run the football today is actually significantly more important than passing. That is why since 2016, teams that are able to outrush their opponent end up winning 80% of the time, compared to 60% for teams that pass for more. If we limit the analysis to only playoff teams the number becomes even more lopsided, growing to 96%. The data is crystal clear; running the ball more effectively than your opponent leads to a higher win probability than passing & is equal in importance to turnover margin for deciding the outcome of a game. Needless to say waiting until the 2nd half to establish the running game is not a sound strategy for a variety of reasons:

1.) As FBS games have gotten shorter because of no clock stoppage, teams are averaging fewer plays, & controlling the clock has become even more important

2.) Making a defense tired through the course of a game, while keeping yours fresh

3.) Running the ball makes it easier to achieve a positive turnover margin

4.) Establishing the run keeps their defense as honest as possible


We can agree to disagree. I'd rather Miami score a lot of points (the earlier the better) than win the National Championship for Time of Possession. Last years offense wasn't good enough and let them down in all three losses.

And when your best player (Toney) is a WR, and you have an elite QB(knock on wood), and a deep and talented crew of WRs -- and maybe a TE defiency -- well, I know which kind of offense I'd run this season
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Gladly taking a my L here.

Was a Train guy - still team Tathan & Piffledonger; will never back down from those gems.

Blu Lot. meat me.
 

again, not saying don't ever run the ball. To the contrary, run the ball when you can and/or when you have to (with a big lead). But however it's done, my belief is that you try and establish points as quickly as possible and get to playing from ahead as soon as possible (especially with the pass rushers UM has)
100% agree. We have a great stable of backs (who will be crucial in the playoff). But with the way the roster shakes out offensively, it would be coaching malpractice to not allow Dawson to channel his mentor Hal Mumme throughout the regular season. Based on what I saw last year, that approach could work against teams like ND as well, not just lowly ACC comp.
 
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