D'onofrio coaching clinic

[Bigtip]

^^and he only gets in the mid 4s like once every 10 years. his defense is usually hovering around 5.0 ypp which is awful but nothing compared to teh whopping 6.2 that we allowed in 2012

 

[WestEndZone]

I'm not wrong. the myth about F.A.G. having some great defense at Temple is just that. a Myth. it feasted off of really bad offenses and got torched by the decent ones they played

guess what goes along with those pillars of Alabama defense?

Yards Per Play. it is probably the most telling stat of any defense. if you are giving up close to 4.0, then you have an excellent defense and all the other stats will follow. irg and his kind cherry pick stats that fit their narrative and ignore glaringly bad facts:

Alabama yards per play:

2008-2009: 4.2
2009-2010: 4.1 (MNC)
2010-2011: 4.6 (a down year, guess what, they went 10-3 which is bad for them under Saban)
2011-2012: 3.0! MNC
2012-2013: 4.0 MNC

F.A.G.s best defenses still give up 4.6 yards per play, which is just meh. its not bad but certainly not great and not championship level.

I don't know about his defenses at Temple. I never watched them. I do know that competition is relative. Jim Tressel had great teams when he was at Youngstown. His competition was garbage. So were his players (compared to major FBS). Temple played comparable competition in whatever conference they were in at the time, just like we do. We play in the ACC, that's comparable.

All I'm saying is that points wins games. All great defenses have the main goal of holding their opponent out of the endzone. Would you rather give up a ton of points or have a better per play average? The answer is obvious.

**Edited**

Also, the whole total defense/scoring defense thing is a bit of a chicken or egg problem. If you have one, you probably get the other. But again, points wins games.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

I'm not wrong. the myth about F.A.G. having some great defense at Temple is just that. a Myth. it feasted off of really bad offenses and got torched by the decent ones they played

guess what goes along with those pillars of Alabama defense?

Yards Per Play. it is probably the most telling stat of any defense. if you are giving up close to 4.0, then you have an excellent defense and all the other stats will follow. irg and his kind cherry pick stats that fit their narrative and ignore glaringly bad facts:

Alabama yards per play:

2008-2009: 4.2
2009-2010: 4.1 (MNC)
2010-2011: 4.6 (a down year, guess what, they went 10-3 which is bad for them under Saban)
2011-2012: 3.0! MNC
2012-2013: 4.0 MNC

F.A.G.s best defenses still give up 4.6 yards per play, which is just meh. its not bad but certainly not great and not championship level.

I don't know about his defenses at Temple. I never watched them. I do know that competition is relative. Jim Tressel had great teams when he was at Youngstown. His competition was garbage. So were his players (compared to major FBS). Temple played comparable competition in whatever conference they were in at the time, just like we do. We play in the ACC, that's comparable.

All I'm saying is that points wins games. All great defenses have the main goal of holding their opponent out of the endzone. Would you rather give up a ton of points or have a better per play average? The answer is obvious.

**Edited**

Also, the whole total defense/scoring defense thing is a bit of a chicken or egg problem. If you have one, you probably get the other. But again, points wins games.

We have nothing of the sort here at UM though. We give up the points & the yards!

 

[Bigtip]

I'm not wrong. the myth about F.A.G. having some great defense at Temple is just that. a Myth. it feasted off of really bad offenses and got torched by the decent ones they played

guess what goes along with those pillars of Alabama defense?

Yards Per Play. it is probably the most telling stat of any defense. if you are giving up close to 4.0, then you have an excellent defense and all the other stats will follow. irg and his kind cherry pick stats that fit their narrative and ignore glaringly bad facts:

Alabama yards per play:

2008-2009: 4.2
2009-2010: 4.1 (MNC)
2010-2011: 4.6 (a down year, guess what, they went 10-3 which is bad for them under Saban)
2011-2012: 3.0! MNC
2012-2013: 4.0 MNC

F.A.G.s best defenses still give up 4.6 yards per play, which is just meh. its not bad but certainly not great and not championship level.

I don't know about his defenses at Temple. I never watched them. I do know that competition is relative. Jim Tressel had great teams when he was at Youngstown. His competition was garbage. So were his players (compared to major FBS). Temple played comparable competition in whatever conference they were in at the time, just like we do. We play in the ACC, that's comparable.

All I'm saying is that points wins games. All great defenses have the main goal of holding their opponent out of the endzone. Would you rather give up a ton of points or have a better per play average? The answer is obvious.

**Edited**

Also, the whole total defense/scoring defense thing is a bit of a chicken or egg problem. If you have one, you probably get the other. But again, points wins games.

look at Temples schedule results from 2010. yeah the competition is comparable BUT that argument goes both ways regarding the offenses they played. they were almost all ranked in teh lower quartile of CFB yet they played easy schedules.

it is obvious that the Temple defense feasted off of terrible offenses and still got gashed giving up lots more yards than an elite defense does

 

[WestEndZone]

We have nothing of the sort here at UM though. We give up the points & the yards!

That's right. We have neither. We haven't been able to stop anyone.

 

[WestEndZone]

I'm not wrong. the myth about F.A.G. having some great defense at Temple is just that. a Myth. it feasted off of really bad offenses and got torched by the decent ones they played

guess what goes along with those pillars of Alabama defense?

Yards Per Play. it is probably the most telling stat of any defense. if you are giving up close to 4.0, then you have an excellent defense and all the other stats will follow. irg and his kind cherry pick stats that fit their narrative and ignore glaringly bad facts:

Alabama yards per play:

2008-2009: 4.2
2009-2010: 4.1 (MNC)
2010-2011: 4.6 (a down year, guess what, they went 10-3 which is bad for them under Saban)
2011-2012: 3.0! MNC
2012-2013: 4.0 MNC

F.A.G.s best defenses still give up 4.6 yards per play, which is just meh. its not bad but certainly not great and not championship level.

I don't know about his defenses at Temple. I never watched them. I do know that competition is relative. Jim Tressel had great teams when he was at Youngstown. His competition was garbage. So were his players (compared to major FBS). Temple played comparable competition in whatever conference they were in at the time, just like we do. We play in the ACC, that's comparable.

All I'm saying is that points wins games. All great defenses have the main goal of holding their opponent out of the endzone. Would you rather give up a ton of points or have a better per play average? The answer is obvious.

**Edited**

Also, the whole total defense/scoring defense thing is a bit of a chicken or egg problem. If you have one, you probably get the other. But again, points wins games.

look at Temples schedule results from 2010. yeah the competition is comparable BUT that argument goes both ways regarding the offenses they played. they were almost all ranked in teh lower quartile of CFB yet they played easy schedules.

it is obvious that the Temple defense feasted off of terrible offenses and still got gashed giving up lots more yards than an elite defense does

That's a legitimate point. Probably the best thing to do is to only compare within conference. Their national numbers will be skewed.

 

[Bigtip]

I'm not wrong. the myth about F.A.G. having some great defense at Temple is just that. a Myth. it feasted off of really bad offenses and got torched by the decent ones they played

guess what goes along with those pillars of Alabama defense?

Yards Per Play. it is probably the most telling stat of any defense. if you are giving up close to 4.0, then you have an excellent defense and all the other stats will follow. irg and his kind cherry pick stats that fit their narrative and ignore glaringly bad facts:

Alabama yards per play:

2008-2009: 4.2
2009-2010: 4.1 (MNC)
2010-2011: 4.6 (a down year, guess what, they went 10-3 which is bad for them under Saban)
2011-2012: 3.0! MNC
2012-2013: 4.0 MNC

F.A.G.s best defenses still give up 4.6 yards per play, which is just meh. its not bad but certainly not great and not championship level.

I don't know about his defenses at Temple. I never watched them. I do know that competition is relative. Jim Tressel had great teams when he was at Youngstown. His competition was garbage. So were his players (compared to major FBS). Temple played comparable competition in whatever conference they were in at the time, just like we do. We play in the ACC, that's comparable.

All I'm saying is that points wins games. All great defenses have the main goal of holding their opponent out of the endzone. Would you rather give up a ton of points or have a better per play average? The answer is obvious.

**Edited**

Also, the whole total defense/scoring defense thing is a bit of a chicken or egg problem. If you have one, you probably get the other. But again, points wins games.

look at Temples schedule results from 2010. yeah the competition is comparable BUT that argument goes both ways regarding the offenses they played. they were almost all ranked in teh lower quartile of CFB yet they played easy schedules.

it is obvious that the Temple defense feasted off of terrible offenses and still got gashed giving up lots more yards than an elite defense does

That's a legitimate point. Probably the best thing to do is to only compare within conference. Their national numbers will be skewed.

no. the point is that these teams are so bad that the offenses cant even move the ball on eachother to the tune of most of them being rated in teh lower 25% of offense in the country.

if the teams are so bad, the offenses should have a field day if they were even mediocre. but they didnt except for a few (like Northern Ill iirc) that torched the F.A.G. defense

basically what you've got in the MAC is a pillow fight that some people even now (irg) are dumb enough to put stock in. when F.A.G. was hired, we didnt have anything else. now we have 3 years of some of the worst defensive football I've ever seen at Miami.

this is a throw away year that hopefully gets F.A.G. fired

 

[DaU83]

Lol, now we're looking at yards per play?

 

[WestEndZone]

no. the point is that these teams are so bad that the offenses cant even move the ball on eachother to the tune of most of them being rated in teh lower 25% of offense in the country.

if the teams are so bad, the offenses should have a field day if they were even mediocre. but they didnt except for a few (like Northern Ill iirc) that torched the F.A.G. defense

basically what you've got in the MAC is a pillow fight that some people even now (irg) are dumb enough to put stock in. when F.A.G. was hired, we didnt have anything else. now we have 3 years of some of the worst defensive football I've ever seen at Miami.

this is a throw away year that hopefully gets F.A.G. fired

Whats the deal with the homophobic acronym? You're obviously trying to disparage whoever you're talking about by calling him a homophobic slur. You couldn't go more than one post without offending someone. That's really disappointing.

You're creating the illusion that no one actually plays football in the MAC. That's just false, and even if it's true to any extent, it's still irrelevant. What about Gus Malzahn? His teams did well at the high school level. There are a lot of high schools teams that go an entire season without scoring a single point. How many great coaches have started at lower ranks? Almost all of them. There's overwhelming evidence against your theory.

You don't need to try and win an "argument" all the time. It's about having a discussion. I won't be responding to you anymore. You've wasted my time.

 

[Bigtip]

no. the point is that these teams are so bad that the offenses cant even move the ball on eachother to the tune of most of them being rated in teh lower 25% of offense in the country.

if the teams are so bad, the offenses should have a field day if they were even mediocre. but they didnt except for a few (like Northern Ill iirc) that torched the F.A.G. defense

basically what you've got in the MAC is a pillow fight that some people even now (irg) are dumb enough to put stock in. when F.A.G. was hired, we didnt have anything else. now we have 3 years of some of the worst defensive football I've ever seen at Miami.

this is a throw away year that hopefully gets F.A.G. fired

Whats the deal with the homophobic acronym? You're obviously trying to disparage whoever you're talking about by calling him a homophobic slur. You couldn't go more than one post without offending someone. That's really disappointing.

You're creating the illusion that no one actually plays football in the MAC. That's just false, and even if it's true to any extent, it's still irrelevant. What about Gus Malzahn? His teams did well at the high school level. There are a lot of high schools teams that go an entire season without scoring a single point. How many great coaches have started at lower ranks? Almost all of them. There's overwhelming evidence against your theory.

You don't need to try and win an "argument" all the time. It's about having a discussion. I won't be responding to you anymore. You've wasted my time.

you must misunderstand my point because everything you said makes no sense relative to what I'm saying.

here is my point:

the 2010 mythical awesome defense that F.A.G. had at Temple (which was like 1 year out of 10+ as a DC or HC) was not really good. it was more of a product of playing really really bad offenses and that team got torched by any of the decent teams they played (within their own conf)

 

[bigsonnyu]

Heck if Rick Ross can get away with being a sucessful gangster rapper, then I say let Dorito have his coaching clinic! LOL!!!

 

[CaneAlmighty]

no. the point is that these teams are so bad that the offenses cant even move the ball on eachother to the tune of most of them being rated in teh lower 25% of offense in the country.

if the teams are so bad, the offenses should have a field day if they were even mediocre. but they didnt except for a few (like Northern Ill iirc) that torched the F.A.G. defense

basically what you've gwere n the MAC is a pillow fight that some people even now (irg) are dumb enough to put stock in. when F.A.G. was hired, we didnt have anything else. now we have 3 years of some of the worst defensive football I've ever seen at Miami.

this is a throw away year that hopefully gets F.A.G. fired

Whats the deal with the homophobic acronym? You're obviously trying to disparage whoever you're talking about by calling him a homophobic slur. You couldn't go more than one post without offending someone. That's really disappointing.

You're creating the illusion that no one actually plays football in the MAC. That's just false, and even if it's true to any extent, it's still irrelevant. What about Gus Malzahn? His teams did well at the high school level. There are a lot of high schools teams that go an entire season without scoring a single point. How many great coaches have started at lower ranks? Almost all of them. There's overwhelming evidence against your theory.

You don't need to try and win an "argument" all the time. It's about having a discussion. I won't be responding to you anymore. You've wasted my time.

you must misunderstand my point because everything you said makes no sense relative to what I'm saying.

here is my point:

the 2010 mythical awesome defense that F.A.G. had at Temple (which was like 1 year out of 10+ as a DC or HC) was not really good. it was more of a product of playing really really bad offenses and that team got torched by any of the decent teams they played (within their own conf)

So your logic dictates that they were playing better offenses prior to 2010.
You may want to rethink it buddy.

 

[Bigtip]

no. the point is that these teams are so bad that the offenses cant even move the ball on eachother to the tune of most of them being rated in teh lower 25% of offense in the country.

if the teams are so bad, the offenses should have a field day if they were even mediocre. but they didnt except for a few (like Northern Ill iirc) that torched the F.A.G. defense

basically what you've gwere n the MAC is a pillow fight that some people even now (irg) are dumb enough to put stock in. when F.A.G. was hired, we didnt have anything else. now we have 3 years of some of the worst defensive football I've ever seen at Miami.

this is a throw away year that hopefully gets F.A.G. fired

Whats the deal with the homophobic acronym? You're obviously trying to disparage whoever you're talking about by calling him a homophobic slur. You couldn't go more than one post without offending someone. That's really disappointing.

You're creating the illusion that no one actually plays football in the MAC. That's just false, and even if it's true to any extent, it's still irrelevant. What about Gus Malzahn? His teams did well at the high school level. There are a lot of high schools teams that go an entire season without scoring a single point. How many great coaches have started at lower ranks? Almost all of them. There's overwhelming evidence against your theory.

You don't need to try and win an "argument" all the time. It's about having a discussion. I won't be responding to you anymore. You've wasted my time.

you must misunderstand my point because everything you said makes no sense relative to what I'm saying.

here is my point:

the 2010 mythical awesome defense that F.A.G. had at Temple (which was like 1 year out of 10+ as a DC or HC) was not really good. it was more of a product of playing really really bad offenses and that team got torched by any of the decent teams they played (within their own conf)

So your logic dictates that they were playing better offenses prior to 2010.
You may want to rethink it buddy.

no it doesnt. dont know why I even bother responding to someone as dumb as you but here we go:

yes the temple defense did improve from 2007-2010. they went from getting torched by everyone to only getting torched by mediocre offensive teams.

you idiots problem lies with your extraction of temple's overall defensive ranking and applying to miami. it is retarded and you look like a complete moron believing that this staff is going to put out a good defense vs our level of competition. they are in over their heads and continually schooled by opposing staffs

 

[TreOFive]

That's evidence of what he and donof were able to put together. Him running grohs D is inconsequential to our situation.

The Groh defensive coaching tree...you seem to fit right in:

I guess Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick are blind too. Groh learned under those Hall of Famers/Super Bowl Champions.

Did I say this was parcells/belicheck coaching tree...He learned under them as you highlight and what has Groh accomplished by learning under those HOF's?

My post is about who has learned under Groh you simple minded dud. Guess you are in line with the rest of these apologists. SMH and we wonder why these feeble minded individuals hold the position they hold.

It's irresponsible to ignore important facts like those. I think it's relevant who Groh learned from. Groh has a great reputation, btw. He got bad pub later in his career, mainly because he was old. I'm not apologizing for anyone. Did I give my opinion on anything? yes You made assumptions about my entire state of mind. Maybe I agree with many things you agree with.does not seem that way Did you care to ask? sure did not, I responded to your questioning/logicDo you care to have a discussion? about how bad our DC is or about whether the HOF coaches make my post invalid?Or would you rather insult people all afternoon?it was morning when I responded, i only insult in the morning, after lunch and coffee I am more receptive of logic

Its irresponsible to ignore what facts? Groh learning from HOF's but not doing squat since or the fact that the coaches (specifically at Miami) that have learned under him are failing? Which facts?

I address the rest of your questions above

 

[WestEndZone]

The Groh defensive coaching tree...you seem to fit right in:

I guess Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick are blind too. Groh learned under those Hall of Famers/Super Bowl Champions.

Did I say this was parcells/belicheck coaching tree...He learned under them as you highlight and what has Groh accomplished by learning under those HOF's?

My post is about who has learned under Groh you simple minded dud. Guess you are in line with the rest of these apologists. SMH and we wonder why these feeble minded individuals hold the position they hold.

It's irresponsible to ignore important facts like those. I think it's relevant who Groh learned from. Groh has a great reputation, btw. He got bad pub later in his career, mainly because he was old. I'm not apologizing for anyone. Did I give my opinion on anything? yes You made assumptions about my entire state of mind. Maybe I agree with many things you agree with.does not seem that way Did you care to ask? sure did not, I responded to your questioning/logicDo you care to have a discussion? about how bad our DC is or about whether the HOF coaches make my post invalid?Or would you rather insult people all afternoon?it was morning when I responded, i only insult in the morning, after lunch and coffee I am more receptive of logic

Its irresponsible to ignore what facts? Groh learning from HOF's but not doing squat since or the fact that the coaches (specifically at Miami) that have learned under him are failing? Which facts?

I address the rest of your questions above

It is evident that you have departed from expected sensibilities, taking a factious approach to this exchange. As a grantor to this colloquium you are under a duty to reasonably take a hand in advancing the general good of this forum. There are numerous, nearly endless ways by which to do this. You have failed in finding one. You've wasted my time.

I can be a pain in the *** too -- but I'm better at it. You made the conclusion "doesnt seem that way" from two sentences. No one can make an educated guess on that. Learn to have a discussion. I know it's hard for you, but try. By personally attacking anyone who raises anything of a resemblance to alternate thinking, you and many like you ruin the discourse on this board. Drop the group think and be single minded for at least a little while, you'll be come a better person for it.

 

[Bigtip]

Lol, now we're looking at yards per play?

you are such a raging idiot.

you do know that defensive rankings are generally determined by either yards per game or points per game right?

yards per play is a way of normalizing the results for offensive time of possession (or number of plays run against a team). the two (yards per game and yards per play) are at least highly correlated...same with points

 

[theibisrules]

Heck if Rick Ross can get away with being a sucessful gangster rapper, then I say let Dorito have his coaching clinic! LOL!!!

the real Rick Ross disagrees with you sir

 

[Bigtip]

That's evidence of what he and donof were able to put together. Him running grohs D is inconsequential to our situation.

what did they put together you mouth breather? you are propping up two decent defenses that played really terrible teams as some sort of evidence that these idiots are some defensive gurus.

you look like a raging ******

yet i always seem to be on the right side of these arguments..... again, you lack perespective... the 16th and 12th ranked defense is better than just 'decent' ...and maybe that wouldnt be great with bamas roster...but with the guys that temple was bringing in, thats pretty **** good

really? according to who?

what is the 16th and 12th ranking a measure of? points given up? yards?

there are many different measures of defensive performance. another one that is very indicative of performance is yards per play and these defenses of F.A.G.s are AWFUL by that measure

I'm stepping in on this one. Bigtip, relax. You're wrong. This is supposed to be a civilized discussion. I've seen you on nearly every active thread insulting people.

It's widely recognized that scoring defense is the most telling stat. At the end of the day, points on the scoreboard are what matter the most. That's pretty much universal. Gary Patterson's system is know for it's attacking style, but it's his philosophy that if they're good enough, they going to play base all game. Alabama has the same philosophy.

this is hilarious. it is not "widely recognized that scoring defense is the most telling stat" - even if it is ours is TERRIBLE

LOL at bringing up Bamas defensive philosophy. F.A.G.s defense is pretty much the dynamic opposite of Bama:

terrible vs the run and pass - high ypp
give up tons of points
leave the middle WIDE OPEN
AWFUL on 3rd down

why did you bring up Bama again?

 

[Bigtip]

oh yeah, Big Plays. we hemorrhage big plays

 

[UMFarArcher]

We're being compared to Alabama, in discussing defense.

Dear God.

If there were ever polar opposites, it's Golden/D'Onofrio's scheme/execution/bowel movement and the defense at Alabama.

I know! Let's talk about their magnificent performances at . . . what was th - oh yeah. Temple. Siht on a stick.