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CashMoneyCane said:
This is about the trustees INFINITELY MORE than the school President.

Y'all need to learn something about college administration before opening your mouths on it.

I'm not a Shalalalala supporter but making her the scapegoat for Miami's troubles is beyond ignorant.
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Wrong! A trustee member told a radio personality in confidence that Shalala admitted she didn't like the idea of the football program being bigger than the school itself and she vowed to change things! Umpteen years later...
 
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Hargre22 said:
Wrong! A trustee member told a radio personality in confidence that Shalala admitted she didn't like the idea of the football program being bigger than the school itself and she vowed to change things! Umpteen years later...
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The football program should NEVER be bigger than the school itself. That’s how you turn into Penn State.
 
Canedude08 said:
Let me guess, you couldn't find Richter with a map and a member of P-100 showing you the way. If you believe that a University President is managing the athletic department, then you don't have any idea how a major University works. The University President has LITTLE to do with the success of the football program. In fact, if your University President is obviously a football stooge, that's usually a sign that your school is a bull**** diploma mill. See FSU for proof of that phenomenon.

Planning for the IPF happened while Shalala was still in office(They were talking about an IPF when Golden was HC for crying out loud), fundraising took forever, as does everything associated with this fanbase. Miami was not going to take money from the general fund to subsidize that building, nor should they have. The athletic department must raise their own money, and then manage it successfully.

You really think Tad Foote was some superior sports guy? No, he clashed with the athletic department, because he wanted Miami to not be the typical jock school and held people accountable. Miami won championships anyway, because of a succession of talented, intelligent Athletic Directors, that teamed with certain members of the BOT to ensure that they had the things they needed in order to win.
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I am sorry but you are simply wrong. I know mutiple BOT members, and can tell you for a fact that her and Stu Miller couldn’t give a **** about football. While the president should not be running the athletics or even involved in it, what they do have a say in is how it is prioritized a subsidized.

At big schools, they are typically self funded and self sufficient entities. I had multiple clients who were those when I was in public consulting/accounting. That is because they get so many gifts earmarked to that specific purpose, and also to avoid having all of the coaches show on the Form 990, assuming they are not dual entities. Miami does not have this luxury. So yes, she did green light priorities or push them down the list, as did Stu, whose father brought Donna in when he was Chair of the Board (ever wonder why not one Miller names building is an athletic one)?

Politely, but you are shy of an FIU grad if you think Shalala was doing anything more than lipservice about getting an IPF. As usual, you talk in a condescending tone to everyone and generally know your *** from your elbow about how this stuff really works.

By the way - I was a student representative on the BoT in 2008-2009 and took a couple of classes with Paul Dee/became friends with him, aside from those personal connections to BoT. I can assure you, you in fact know absolutely nothing about Shalala, whose taint you tickle. And her deal for Cedars nearly destroyed Jackson Memorial and the medical school in the process.
 
hughhoney said:
The football program should NEVER be bigger than the school itself. That’s how you turn into Penn State.
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Penn state is a great university. They are on par with Miami and are better in certain schools. They also have been a great school for the past 170 years where as Miami has only really been great for the past 10-15 years.
 
hughhoney said:
USC/Keck works the same way.
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I honestly don’t know how successful their arrangement is. I did not-profit healthcare consulting for 8 years and focused in the Southeast, so we were pretty caught up on UHealth, aside from some other sources. That deal was a disaster and what they did after the fact to try to turn it profitable bordered on fraud. When your entire faculty walks out of the State of the Facility address in protest of the dean, that is never good. Not to mention Jackson still has not fully recovered.
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
Penn state is a great university. They are on par with Miami and are better in certain schools. They also have been a great school for the past 170 years where as Miami has only really been great for the past 10-15 years.
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Yeah and child molestation was swept under the rug in favor of winning football games. No thanks.
 
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wspcane said:
I honestly don’t know how successful their arrangement is. I did not-profit healthcare consulting for 8 years and focused in the Southeast, so we were pretty caught up on UHealth, aside from some other sources. That deal was a disaster and what they did after the fact to try to turn it profitable bordered on fraud. When your entire faculty walks out of the State of the Facility address in protest of the dean, that is never good. Not to mention Jackson still has not fully recovered.
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I was graduating from Miami and applying for medical school when Goldschmidt was hired. Even though I worked at the medical school for 3 years as an undergrad, I didn't even apply to Miami because of him. I agree he was a terrible hire and he is the one thing I hold against Shalala. It wouldn't surprise me if they made a short-sighted deal to try to increase profits, but that's just the way health care is in this country. Makes more sense to have the physicians in university systems have public/private hospitals. I'd only expect more of the same as we drive towards a Medicare for all type system. Seems to work well at USC.
 
hughhoney said:
I was graduating from Miami and applying for medical school when Goldschmidt was hired. Even though I worked at the medical school for 3 years as an undergrad, I didn't even apply to Miami because of him. I agree he was a terrible hire and he is the one thing I hold against Shalala. It wouldn't surprise me if they made a short-sighted deal to try to increase profits, but that's just the way health care is in this country. Makes more sense to have the physicians in university systems have public/private hospitals. I'd only expect more of the same as we drive towards a Medicare for all type system. Seems to work well at USC.
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Without going too granular, I am in a tax/finance role at a large health system now. Physician employees are definitely where things are moving. My dad did go to UM undergrad and med school, so I have some perspective from that side too.

The issue with UHealth was 1) the amount that they paid HCA for that facility, a company who does not exactly have a sterling reputation, and 2) absolutely zero plan or message about how it would co-exist with Jackson and the medical school. It was a short-sighted, losing idea driven by ego with zero plan of action to make it work. As it turned out, the plan was to move profitable patients to UH and Medicare/aid/uninsured to Jackson. So now, aside from the serious ethical question, you have put Jackson on thin financial ice, when it is a massively important resource and the largest public hospital in the community. It was truly an asinine idea.

And aside from that - fundraising went up under her, but the law school tanked, the med school is hardly in the top 50 at this point. So when idiots like Canedud try to pass Shalala off as some messiah, I take severe offense to that. She raised money. That was it.
 
Gatorhater said:
Don't worry, we hate the BOT too. Especially since they hired and never fired that witch. That said, it is beyond simplicity to think that the President of today's universities are not in control and virtual dictators. She drove the massive move into health care at the expense of everything else -- not just football. Could the BOT have stopped her? Sure, they could have fired her anytime. They certainly are co-conspirators but she was the leader. You are right, it has always been the BOT's fault but that doesn't not excused their hired guns.
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OK, so let me get this totally straight:

1) You HATE the BoT, who are the ones who give all THEIR money to the school, so that we HAVE a football program?
2) You hate Shalalala, despite the fact she raised $3 BILLION for The U, without which an IPF wouldn't even be a discussion?
3) You think the move into health care was unwise relative to athletic expenditures (guess what, you're wrong), and hate both for that too?

You might want to look up PRIVATE university, what that means from a financing standpoint, and focus on having just a little gratitude.
 
hughhoney said:
People here don't care to understand anything about the University. They only care about the football program, which is why there are so many problems here between fans and alumni. But they also don't understand how the University works and throw ***** at any possible common denominator.
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THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

This. Everything about this.

Learn a **** thing about how a private university works and stop saying "It's All About The U" when you're only talking about a very, very small part of it.
 
A University has 3 main focuses. Academics, Athletics, and Research. Donna gave a fig about Academics or Athletics. Her focus was solely on Research. Why? Because Research is a cash cow. Government and private grants are a big deal.
I don't have a problem with pushing research necessarily, as long as it is not at the cost of Athletics and academics. I have a Miami degree, I went there because it was a good school, but just as much because they played competitive football and I knew I would have a great team to follow for the rest of my life. Shalala did her best to ruin that.
 
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Insanecane said:
A University has 3 main focuses. Academics, Athletics, and Research. Donna gave a fig about Academics or Athletics. Her focus was solely on Research. Why? Because Research is a cash cow. Government and private grants are a big deal.
I don't have a problem with pushing research necessarily, as long as it is not at the cost of Athletics and academics. I have a Miami degree, I went there because it was a good school, but just as much because they played competitive football and I knew I would have a great team to follow for the rest of my life. Shalala did her best to ruin that.
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This might be the dumbest comment on this board.

University rankings (which are stupid, but anyway), applications and selectivity all rose under Shalala.

The focus is on research (ESPECIALLY medicine) because grad school prestige plays a huge factor in most undergraduate rankings.

I'm guessing you went to Miami in the 80's or before.
 
wspcane said:
Without going too granular, I am in a tax/finance role at a large health system now. Physician employees are definitely where things are moving. My dad did go to UM undergrad and med school, so I have some perspective from that side too.

The issue with UHealth was 1) the amount that they paid HCA for that facility, a company who does not exactly have a sterling reputation, and 2) absolutely zero plan or message about how it would co-exist with Jackson and the medical school. It was a short-sighted, losing idea driven by ego with zero plan of action to make it work. As it turned out, the plan was to move profitable patients to UH and Medicare/aid/uninsured to Jackson. So now, aside from the serious ethical question, you have put Jackson on thin financial ice, when it is a massively important resource and the largest public hospital in the community. It was truly an asinine idea.

And aside from that - fundraising went up under her, but the law school tanked, the med school is hardly in the top 50 at this point. So when idiots like Canedud try to pass Shalala off as some messiah, I take severe offense to that. She raised money. That was it.
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Yeah, I get it, USC/Keck is the same way and it seems to work and I think more will move towards that type of system. It's the result of some people having insurance and others not having insurance. The only thing unethical in that sense is that only some people can afford the insurance.
 
CashMoneyCane said:
That was also by and large exactly what she was hired to do, and she did a great job at it.
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And what exactly did she do with it? Because many of the buildings on campus were in serious need of a facelift through 2010. It was not until Frenk arrived that a majority of capital projects got underway. Meanwhile, she spent it on Cedars (an unmitigated disaster) and watched several other programs on campus have their reputation slide under her watch.
 
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