Donna Shalala attack ad

[dookie blaylock]

Forget about the politics, because I don’t care.

She was good for the university as a whole. That is indisputable.

Shapiro was not on her, so anybody that thinks that is dead wrong and doesn’t understand the situation. She also did a great job fighting the NCAA when they took this thing beyond the pale.

She does share blame for the overall direction and lack of attention and funding for the football program. Huge miscalculation thinking we could be a top program on the cheap. But others can be given even more blame, including the BOT.

I believe in people accepting responsibility, and she does share some of the blame for the performance of the program in general, but by no means all the blame, and possibly not even the majority of the blame. If you are being fair you can at least can see that there are others who are just as much to blame if not more.

she was good for the students when she was there, but she's also the reason why the university's finances are still in the gutter. cedars was a stupid purchase at a stupid price, and that's entirely on her. i loved her when i was a student there for her focus on us, but i have zero faith in her decision-making ability for the congressional district.

that being said, the ad is stupid.

 

[GirthQuake]

Holy **** our fans are stupid. The university (under Frenk) paid all that money on a search committee and came up with Greg Schiano as the answer. But you guys keep praising him and think that he’s the difference in the football program.

I’m shocked anyone on this forum defends Shalala holy schit ... dude with any college football program it all starts at the top with administration, there’s no coincidence our program sucked under her

 

[Waffle Honcho]

I’m shocked anyone on this forum defends Shalala holy schit ... dude with any college football program it all starts at the top with administration, there’s no coincidence our program sucked under her

So you believe that Tad Foote is the reason for the success in the '80s?

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

she was good for the students when she was there, but she's also the reason why the university's finances are still in the gutter. cedars was a stupid purchase at a stupid price, and that's entirely on her. i loved her when i was a student there for her focus on us, but i have zero faith in her decision-making ability for the congressional district.

that being said, the ad is stupid.

I don’t care about her political career.

Yes we overpaid for Cedars there’s no doubt about that, but she didn’t do it unilaterally. It was a fūckup by many. Think of all the people we had to sign off on the deal.

She gets credit for our increase in academic rankings, as do others, and she gets most of the credit for Momentum One and Momentum Two, billions raised for the university.

One of the primary responsibilities of a university president is raising money. She knew how to do that.

The problem is many people here have no knowledge of how a university works, and really have no interest in learning.

I give her partial blame for the football program, she should’ve exerted better leadership and should have realized that you can’t do it on the cheap thereby showing her leadership that way.

She and the BOT gets blame for the disastrous record of hiring AD’s as well. I would say the BOT gets more blame in this area though, look at how hirings are conducted at any university, and you would know that the BOT is the primary force. Shltkicker and Opie were disasters imo. So I give her a small part of the blame for the ADs., but most of the blame goes to the BOT.

But putting Shapiro on her, and then saying she started the fire and and then put out the fire, it’s just plain bullshlt. People just don’t understand what happened and they show their ignorance when they say stuff like this.

 

[deleted19096]

Too bad she didn't turn into a potato when the stroke hit.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

Once again, no competent University President takes money from the general fund and gives it to athletics. It just doesn't happen, especially at schools like Miami, where athletics doesn't run the show. Usually, the athletic department is responsible for their own budget, and by that I mean whatever they earn/fundraise they get to spend. Period. They get some funding from the University(IE Student Fees), but other than that, the school shouldn't be subsidizing athletics.

By the way, Dr. Shalala, nor any other University President is a dictator. They serve at the pleasure of the BOT, who has the power to force changes in any department as they see fit. The BOT, or should I say the athletically inclined members of that body could and should have been more proactive in regards to athletics. They didn't do anything as the arms race heated up, they sure as heck didn't step up and start writing checks themselves.

That's how it is supposed to work. To expect Dr. Shalala or any other University President to keep their finger on that department is a fool's errand. It isn't done for a reason, because their primary job is to raise money for the parts of the University that isn't featured on television every **** week.

You clearly don't understand the role of the UP if your only response is that she isn't a dictator. She hired these jokers. You do realize Stanford is the best academic school with an FBS team. In fact besides Harvard, Columbia, Yale, and Princeton they are the best school in the nation and they spent significantly more on their coaches than Miami did. Duke and UNC are two top academic schools in FBS and they are spending Bama type money on their Basketball coaches and assistants. You can be a great private school and still spend money on your athletics.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

You clearly don't understand the role of the UP if your only response is that she isn't a dictator. She hired these jokers. You do realize Stanford is the best academic school with an FBS team. In fact besides Harvard, Columbia, Yale, and Princeton they are the best school in the nation and they spent significantly more on their coaches than Miami did. Duke and UNC are two top academic schools in FBS and they are spending Bama type money on their Basketball coaches and assistants. You can be a great private school and still spend money on your athletics.

Harbaugh was making about $1 mil in 2010 when we hired Golden. Shaw's base salary in 2013 was around $1.5 mil. We all know Golden was making more than that during that time.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

Harbaugh was making about $1 mil in 2010 when we hired Golden. Shaw's base salary in 2013 was around $1.5 mil. We all know Golden was making more than that during that time.

Goldens highest compensated year was a little over 2.5 million. Shaw had a total compensation of 4 million in 2014. https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/07/18/stanford-football-coach-david-shaws-salary-nearly-doubled/. Also, I was referring to the entire coaching staff not just the HC.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Goldens highest compensated year was a little over 2.5 million. Shaw had a total compensation of 4 million in 2014. https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/07/18/stanford-football-coach-david-shaws-salary-nearly-doubled/. Also, I was referring to the entire coaching staff not just the HC.

Yeah after he had been there for 3 years and proven his worth. He was a cheap hire though and so was Harbaugh. For 99% of Shalala's tenure we spent more on coaching than Stanford did.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

Yeah after he had been there for 3 years and proven his worth. He was a cheap hire though and so was Harbaugh. For 99% of Shalala's tenure we spent more on coaching than Stanford did.

The golden salary was for his 5th year. Shannon was paid 1.5 million compared to Jims 1.25. However, I said coaches not coach.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

The golden salary was for his 5th year. Shannon was paid 1.5 million compared to Jims 1.25. However, I said coaches not coach.

I have a hard time believing their assistants made "significantly more" than ours, especially prior to 2014 when Stanford (and most of CFB) started spending money, and Shalala was practically out the door. What is your source for that?

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

I have a hard time believing their assistants made "significantly more" than ours, especially prior to 2014 when Stanford (and most of CFB) started spending money, and Shalala was practically out the door. What is your source for that?

I doubt I will be able to find the source, but it was an article I read 4-5 years back about a few of the assistants getting salary raises. I obviously do not know how much the Miami assistants where getting paid, but based off Randys salary it would have been a lot less. The main difference though is after a few Stanford actually gave their coaches significant raises. UM at the time was not.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

I doubt I will be able to find the source, but it was an article I read 4-5 years back about a few of the assistants getting salary raises. I obviously do not know how much the Miami assistants where getting paid, but based off Randys salary it would have been a lot less. The main difference though is after a few Stanford actually gave their coaches significant raises. UM at the time was not.

Did you want us to give our 2014 coaching staff a raise or something?

Point is, Stanford was not going out and spending a ton of money hiring big name coaches. They were hiring cheaper than us and got smart in 2014 about retaining Shaw. We haven’t been in that position since Butch Davis, and we all know how badly the BoT ****ed that one up.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

Did you want us to give our 2014 coaching staff a raise or something?

Point is, Stanford was not going out and spending a ton of money hiring big name coaches. They were hiring cheaper than us and got smart in 2014 about retaining Shaw. We haven’t been in that position since Butch Davis, and we all know how badly the BoT ****ed that one up.

Absolutely not lol. The other poster claimed that the only teams spending more then us are schools that only care about football and not academics. My point was Stanford spent more then us and still do and they are better than 50% of the Ivy league schools academically.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Absolutely not lol. The other poster claimed that the only teams spending more then us are schools that only care about football and not academics. My point was Stanford spent more then us and still do and they are better than 50% of the Ivy league schools academically.

That was true before but CFB has changed so drastically over the past 5 years that every school is flush with cash now from these TV deals. Some schools will always have more, but many have cash now that they didn’t have previously. We still spend far less than our competitors despite the change at the top.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

That was true before but CFB has changed so drastically over the past 5 years that every school is flush with cash now from these TV deals. Some schools will always have more, but many have cash now that they didn’t have previously. We still spend far less than our competitors despite the change at the top.

Agreed. Hopefully this ACC network deal will be able to get us to the elite spending level.

 

[Fluffhead]

She was waddingly own the road to punishment hand in hand with ncaa when they hit her with lack of institutional control. That was squarely on her and then and only then did she start acting tough. Even then if was the ncaa’ s internal scandal that saved us, not that short fat crook.

She was cold hard horrible on all levels. I started doing M&A on The Street straight out of law school. She massively overpaid for her health acquisitions. Given her history of laying with crooks, I assume the reason for the over pricing was the under the table payoffs she pocketed.

Not only did she overpay, but she bought a system that would then be in direct competition with the public system that housed our medical school for decades. Then once she overpaid (again) for Goldschmiddt to run the place, the faculty walked out when he told them to start funneling the more desirable patients to Cedars/UHealth.

 

[Fluffhead]

While Frenks is a massive upgrade as President, the majority of the blame must fall on the AD's during the decade and a half of misery. Blake James was on my chit list for the longest until until he finally pulled the trigger and was instrumental in bringing in Richt.

Ok but why did he suddenly have the ability to do that? Did he mysteriously grow a pair overnight? No, he finally got a boss that empowered him to do his job and gave him the resources to do so.

Echorst was useless and I can only think of Walter Sobchak when I think of him... “I told that ***** 5 times...”

 

[gruntking]

Plain and simple she succeeded in getting donors to pull the trigger and give megabucks to the school. UHealth was Mini-me's pet project and it grew substantially during her tenure. However, the acquisition of the old Cedars hospital may have been a big mistake, as it is today in need of total refurbishing, receiving poor ratings and it is UHealth's white elephant.
Since hind sight is 20/20... I being Donna I would have gotten sports minded donors and invested in a stadium acquisition somehow/somewhere closer. I being Donna I would have made sure that the U was a force to be reckoned with on the gridiron. BTW... I'm available.
Lets Go Canes!

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Not only did she overpay, but she bought a system that would then be in direct competition with the public system that housed our medical school for decades. Then once she overpaid (again) for Goldschmiddt to run the place, the faculty walked out when he told them to start funneling the more desirable patients to Cedars/UHealth.

USC/Keck works the same way.