Don Brown/ Manny Diaz

[Samson Doyo]

An educated man I see. Great minds.

Go Canes!

 

[canesthing3]

While I'd like it to be about a TD lower, we should be able to win a lot of games with a scoring D of 23.8. Especially with Coach Richt calling the plays. That's if Diaz scoring D stays on par with his average. I think it will improve with superior talent, gaining more experience as a DC, Coach Kool coaching his DL etc. I like what I see here but would also like to see some advanced stats on Brown/Diaz if anyone wants to put in the work lol.

 

[RVACane]

Dorito's defense was statistically the 14th best in the country in 2014 but no one on here will argue that he's a good DC. Some things are just common sense and come through on the field. I mean really.... Ryan Tannehill leads Cam Newton in certain important categories but who would you take?

After hiring Coach Kuligowski, nearly every choice left on defense would be a letdown. I'll give it a chance with Diaz because he's here now and I support our program but I'm not going to pretend that Harbaugh grabbing Don Brown 1st and Miles grabbing Dave Aranda 2nd, when Diaz was available to both, isn't telling of where they each stand in the coaching hierarchy. No point in continuing to pounce on the hire... It's done... but if it doesn't work out I'm going to expect our coach to deal with it expediently.

 

[Dacane]

FullyERicht had Don Brown listed as one of his "best hires" and deemed the Diaz hire as horrible (to put it mildly). Here is a look at Brown and Diaz from 2009 to present. 2013 is excluded because Diaz was let go.

Average yards per game: Diaz-361 Brown- 332
Scoring Defense: Diaz- 23.8 Brown- 22.23
Of the 6 years, Diaz defenses gave up fewer points than Brown 3 times and vice versa. Even split.

So the difference between a horrible hire and a best hire is approximately 1.6 points per game and 29 yards per game over a six year period and an even split in head to head scoring defense by year.

Thats weak. You obviously didn't read this thread. https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/manny-diaz-breakdown-thread/96004

Whats the difference in the schemes they run? What are Browns weakness?

The numbers don't lie. Results are what matter. There is not a lot of difference in their results. I did not read that thread, and it doesn't change the numbers.

Nice try. Variable's matter as well. Talent base, conference... The difference here is Fully dug in and you're doing a very basic numbers compare. How are they in the advance stats compared to each other? That would be more telling.

I don't disagree. However, the NCAA has over 100 teams all with different talent levels. There will always be subjectivity involved, because with all the variables you can never be fully dug in. The point of the original post is this- To claim one as horrible and one as a defensive genius when the numbers are that close, is absurd. And, at the end of the day the most important number is always what's on the scoreboard, however basic that may be.

 

[Miami82]

FullyERicht had Don Brown listed as one of his "best hires" and deemed the Diaz hire as horrible (to put it mildly). Here is a look at Brown and Diaz from 2009 to present. 2013 is excluded because Diaz was let go.

Average yards per game: Diaz-361 Brown- 332
Scoring Defense: Diaz- 23.8 Brown- 22.23
Of the 6 years, Diaz defenses gave up fewer points than Brown 3 times and vice versa. Even split.

So the difference between a horrible hire and a best hire is approximately 1.6 points per game and 29 yards per game over a six year period and an even split in head to head scoring defense by year.

Thats weak. You obviously didn't read this thread. https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/manny-diaz-breakdown-thread/96004

Whats the difference in the schemes they run? What are Browns weakness?

The numbers don't lie. Results are what matter. There is not a lot of difference in their results. I did not read that thread, and it doesn't change the numbers.

Nice try. Variable's matter as well. Talent base, conference... The difference here is Fully dug in and you're doing a very basic numbers compare. How are they in the advance stats compared to each other? That would be more telling.

I don't disagree. However, the NCAA has over 100 teams all with different talent levels. There will always be subjectivity involved, because with all the variables you can never be fully dug in. The point of the original post is this- To claim one as horrible and one as a defensive genius when the numbers are that close, is absurd. And, at the end of the day the most important number is always what's on the scoreboard, however basic that may be.

Thats fair and I agree. I'm sure Brown has weak areas in his game as well. In the end we will be back to being aggressive.

 

[Miami82]

Dorito's defense was statistically the 14th best in the country in 2014 but no one on here will argue that he's a good DC. Some things are just common sense and come through on the field. I mean really.... Ryan Tannehill leads Cam Newton in certain important categories but who would you take?

After hiring Coach Kuligowski, nearly every choice left on defense would be a letdown. I'll give it a chance with Diaz because he's here now and I support our program but I'm not going to pretend that Harbaugh grabbing Don Brown 1st and Miles grabbing Dave Aranda 2nd, when Diaz was available to both, isn't telling of where they each stand in the coaching hierarchy. No point in continuing to pounce on the hire... It's done... but if it doesn't work out I'm going to expect our coach to deal with it expediently.

Good post!

 

[Big Sky Cane]

FullyERicht had Don Brown listed as one of his "best hires" and deemed the Diaz hire as horrible (to put it mildly). Here is a look at Brown and Diaz from 2009 to present. 2013 is excluded because Diaz was let go.

Average yards per game: Diaz-361 Brown- 332
Scoring Defense: Diaz- 23.8 Brown- 22.23
Of the 6 years, Diaz defenses gave up fewer points than Brown 3 times and vice versa. Even split.

So the difference between a horrible hire and a best hire is approximately 1.6 points per game and 29 yards per game over a six year period and an even split in head to head scoring defense by year.

Thats weak. You obviously didn't read this thread. https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/manny-diaz-breakdown-thread/96004

Whats the difference in the schemes they run? What are Browns weakness?

The numbers don't lie. Results are what matter. There is not a lot of difference in their results. I did not read that thread, and it doesn't change the numbers.

Nice try. Variable's matter as well. Talent base, conference... The difference here is Fully dug in and you're doing a very basic numbers compare. How are they in the advance stats compared to each other? That would be more telling.

From the West End Zone: (WhatTheHell)

FEIThe Fremeau Efficiency Index (FEI) is a college football rating system based on opponent-adjusted drive efficiency. Approximately 20,000 possessions are contested annually in FBS vs. FBS games. First-half clock-kills and end-of-game garbage drives and scores are filtered out. Unadjusted game efficiency (GE) is a measure of net success on non-garbage possessions, and opponent adjustments are calculated with special emphasis placed on quality performances against good teams, win or lose.

S&P The S&P+ Ratings are a college football ratings system derived from the play-by-play data of all 800+ of a season's FBS college football games (and 140,000+ plays). S&P+ ratings are based around the core concepts of the Five Factors: efficiency, explosiveness, field position, finishing drives, and turnovers.



Diaz-
FEI. S&P+
MSU 2010. 12 22
Tex. 2011. 9 9
Tex. 2012. 38 32
Tex. 2013. 31 44
LT. 2014. 9 24
MSU 2015. 51 37
Average. 25 28

Aranda-
FEI. S&P+
Haw. 2011. 71 32
Haw. 2011. 105 82
Utah St. 2012. 14 10
Wisc. 2013. 13 10
Wisc. 2014. 33 29
Wisc. 2015. 11 7
Average. 41 28

Brown-
FEI. S&P+
MD. 2010. 20 36
UCONN. 2011. 23 34
UCONN. 2012. 22 38
BC. 2013. 98 80
BC. 2014. 68 36
BC. 2015. 5 3
Average. 39 38

Chavis-
FEI. S&P+
LSU. 2010. 9 13
LSU. 2011. 2 2
LSU. 2012. 6 7
LSU. 2013. 38 35
LSU. 2014. 17 9
TA&M. 2015. 14 29
Average. 14 16

Venables-
FEI. S&P+
OU. 2010. 4 8
OU. 2011. 12 7
Clem. 2012. 55 34
Clem. 2013. 17 12
Clem. 2014. 2 2
Clem. 2015. 7 4
Average. 16 11

Foster-
FEI. S&P+
VT. 2010. 25 23
VT. 2011. 31 17
VT. 2012. 24 19
VT. 2013. 4 3
VT. 2014. 3 10
VT. 2015. 43 40
Average. 22 19

Narduzzi-
FEI. S&P+
MSU. 2010. 35 29
MSU. 2011. 6 6
MSU. 2012. 2 5
MSU. 2013. 2 2
MSU. 2014. 34 22
Average. 16 13

Smart-
FEI. S&P+
Bama. 2010. 16 5
Bama. 2011. 1 1
Bama. 2012. 4 1
Bama. 2013. 7 5
Bama. 2014. 12 3
Bama. 2015. 2 1
Average 7 3

Pruitt-
FEI. S&P+
FSU. 2013. 5 1
Geor. 2014. 35 17
Geor. 2015 16 11
Average 19 10

D'Onofrio
FEI S&P+
2015 66 57
2014 40 26
2013 92 89
2012 94 79
2011 71 69
AVERAGE 73 64

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis

 

[da truth]

FullyERicht had Don Brown listed as one of his "best hires" and deemed the Diaz hire as horrible (to put it mildly). Here is a look at Brown and Diaz from 2009 to present. 2013 is excluded because Diaz was let go.

Average yards per game: Diaz-361 Brown- 332
Scoring Defense: Diaz- 23.8 Brown- 22.23
Of the 6 years, Diaz defenses gave up fewer points than Brown 3 times and vice versa. Even split.

So the difference between a horrible hire and a best hire is approximately 1.6 points per game and 29 yards per game over a six year period and an even split in head to head scoring defense by year.

brown is the best dc in coll currently. diaz is a great hire but lets not kid ourselves. Brown is a homerun hire at dc.

excited for diaz though I think he will do great here but Brown is the best dc

 

[moshated305]

Dorito's defense was statistically the 14th best in the country in 2014 but no one on here will argue that he's a good DC. Some things are just common sense and come through on the field. I mean really.... Ryan Tannehill leads Cam Newton in certain important categories but who would you take?

After hiring Coach Kuligowski, nearly every choice left on defense would be a letdown. I'll give it a chance with Diaz because he's here now and I support our program but I'm not going to pretend that Harbaugh grabbing Don Brown 1st and Miles grabbing Dave Aranda 2nd, when Diaz was available to both, isn't telling of where they each stand in the coaching hierarchy. No point in continuing to pounce on the hire... It's done... but if it doesn't work out I'm going to expect our coach to deal with it expediently.

When you look at a single season, yes its a terrible way to judge anyone, but I think a 6 year sample size is more than enough to create a fair point the OP is making. Diaz isn't a homerun hire but it's not a horrible one either. The truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. I'm just ready for Richt and co to get started because nothing can be.worse than the last 3 regimes we have had here. There is at meat some reason for optimism now with more proven guys at the big money coaching positions.

 

[moshated305]

FullyERicht had Don Brown listed as one of his "best hires" and deemed the Diaz hire as horrible (to put it mildly). Here is a look at Brown and Diaz from 2009 to present. 2013 is excluded because Diaz was let go.

Average yards per game: Diaz-361 Brown- 332
Scoring Defense: Diaz- 23.8 Brown- 22.23
Of the 6 years, Diaz defenses gave up fewer points than Brown 3 times and vice versa. Even split.

So the difference between a horrible hire and a best hire is approximately 1.6 points per game and 29 yards per game over a six year period and an even split in head to head scoring defense by year.

brown is the best dc in coll currently. diaz is a great hire but lets not kid ourselves. Brown is a homerun hire at dc.

excited for diaz though I think he will do great here but Brown is the best dc

No he's not. Good DC but there are better out there with more success at bigger programs. The guy is 60 years old and is just now getting a shot running the D at a major program.

 

[Dacane]

FullyERicht had Don Brown listed as one of his "best hires" and deemed the Diaz hire as horrible (to put it mildly). Here is a look at Brown and Diaz from 2009 to present. 2013 is excluded because Diaz was let go.

Average yards per game: Diaz-361 Brown- 332
Scoring Defense: Diaz- 23.8 Brown- 22.23
Of the 6 years, Diaz defenses gave up fewer points than Brown 3 times and vice versa. Even split.

So the difference between a horrible hire and a best hire is approximately 1.6 points per game and 29 yards per game over a six year period and an even split in head to head scoring defense by year.

brown is the best dc in coll currently. diaz is a great hire but lets not kid ourselves. Brown is a homerun hire at dc.

excited for diaz though I think he will do great here but Brown is the best dc

Never said Brown was better or worse than Diaz; however, 1 year does not make Brown a home run hire. In 2014 his defense gave up 30+ five times; in 2013 30+ 6 times and 40+ twice; in 2009 his defense averaged over 30+ a game. Only one other year in the last 6 did his defense average less than 20 a game and that was 19.8. In my book, one year does not crown Don Brown the best DC in college-not even currently. Brown had an outstanding YEAR.

 

[Miami82]

FullyERicht had Don Brown listed as one of his "best hires" and deemed the Diaz hire as horrible (to put it mildly). Here is a look at Brown and Diaz from 2009 to present. 2013 is excluded because Diaz was let go.

Average yards per game: Diaz-361 Brown- 332
Scoring Defense: Diaz- 23.8 Brown- 22.23
Of the 6 years, Diaz defenses gave up fewer points than Brown 3 times and vice versa. Even split.

So the difference between a horrible hire and a best hire is approximately 1.6 points per game and 29 yards per game over a six year period and an even split in head to head scoring defense by year.

brown is the best dc in coll currently. diaz is a great hire but lets not kid ourselves. Brown is a homerun hire at dc.

excited for diaz though I think he will do great here but Brown is the best dc

No he's not. Good DC but there are better out there with more success at bigger programs. The guy is 60 years old and is just now getting a shot running the D at a major program.

Don has had a very interesting career. He has been a HC several times as well.

Coaching career (HC unless noted)
Football
1982 Dartmouth (assistant)
1983 Mansfield (DC)
1984–1986 Dartmouth (DC)
1987–1992 Yale (DC)
1993–1995 Plymouth State
1996–1997 Brown (DC)
1998–1999 UMass (DC)
2000–2003 Northeastern
2004–2008 UMass
2009–2010 Maryland (DC/CB)
2011–2012 Connecticut (DC/CB)
2013–2015 Boston College (DC/LB)
2016–present Michigan (DC/LB)

 

[L A M P]

I don't hate Diaz but this is silly.

Stats aside, Brown is a far superior coordinator.

Why is Brown the superior coordinator?

Have you seen his defense this year? And that was with only decent talent.

Stopping subpar ACC & FBS offenses with a veteran defense doesn't knock my socks off.

His OOC schedule was Maine, Howard & Northern Illinois (decent but lost by 48 in bowl game to Boise. Scored 7 pts).

 

[Destruction]

I don't hate Diaz but this is silly.

Stats aside, Brown is a far superior coordinator.

I agree.

 

[L A M P]

I agree.

Strong first porst.

 

[Al Foil]

I would take Diaz over Brown any day.

Diaz is SEC tested.

Don Brown is overrated. Anyone see BC's schedule this year?

 

[Destruction]

I agree.

Strong first porst.

Thank you, Sir.

 

[NJshoreCane]

Dorito's defense was statistically the 14th best in the country in 2014 but no one on here will argue that he's a good DC. Some things are just common sense and come through on the field. I mean really.... Ryan Tannehill leads Cam Newton in certain important categories but who would you take?

After hiring Coach Kuligowski, nearly every choice left on defense would be a letdown. I'll give it a chance with Diaz because he's here now and I support our program but I'm not going to pretend that Harbaugh grabbing Don Brown 1st and Miles grabbing Dave Aranda 2nd, when Diaz was available to both, isn't telling of where they each stand in the coaching hierarchy. No point in continuing to pounce on the hire... It's done... but if it doesn't work out I'm going to expect our coach to deal with it expediently.

^This is it right here^
Now lets move on to the next exhibition, shall we?
4 weeks to National Signing Day

 

[da truth]

I don't hate Diaz but this is silly.

Stats aside, Brown is a far superior coordinator.

Why is Brown the superior coordinator?

Have you seen his defense this year? And that was with only decent talent.

Stopping subpar ACC & FBS offenses with a veteran defense doesn't knock my socks off.

His OOC schedule was Maine, Howard & Northern Illinois (decent but lost by 48 in bowl game to Boise. Scored 7 pts).

Yes but its not like he was coaching a team stacked with 4 and 5 stars. Also his d was always on the field. I would say BC had the worst offense in college football this year. THAT d was always on the field.

 

[NJshoreCane]

FullyERicht had Don Brown listed as one of his "best hires" and deemed the Diaz hire as horrible (to put it mildly). Here is a look at Brown and Diaz from 2009 to present. 2013 is excluded because Diaz was let go.

Average yards per game: Diaz-361 Brown- 332
Scoring Defense: Diaz- 23.8 Brown- 22.23
Of the 6 years, Diaz defenses gave up fewer points than Brown 3 times and vice versa. Even split.

So the difference between a horrible hire and a best hire is approximately 1.6 points per game and 29 yards per game over a six year period and an even split in head to head scoring defense by year.

brown is the best dc in coll currently. diaz is a great hire but lets not kid ourselves. Brown is a homerun hire at dc.

excited for diaz though I think he will do great here but Brown is the best dc

No he's not. Good DC but there are better out there with more success at bigger programs. The guy is 60 years old and is just now getting a shot running the D at a major program.

Don has had a very interesting career. He has been a HC several times as well.

Coaching career (HC unless noted)
Football
1982 Dartmouth (assistant)
1983 Mansfield (DC)
1984–1986 Dartmouth (DC)
1987–1992 Yale (DC)
1993–1995 Plymouth State
1996–1997 Brown (DC)
1998–1999 UMass (DC)
2000–2003 Northeastern
2004–2008 UMass
2009–2010 Maryland (DC/CB)
2011–2012 Connecticut (DC/CB)
2013–2015 Boston College (DC/LB)
2016–present Michigan (DC/LB)

I thought we played Maryland in 2010, so I checked out how Morris, Miller and the boys did vs. Brown:
504 yds
26 points (missed PAT)
25 first downs
We also had 100 yards in penalties.
Maryland scored a defensive TD on a pick 6.

No statements here, just tidbit info.