Dolphin moves - for you Phin fans

[RaisingCane26]

I’m fine with the RB situation. Especially with that 39th pick being Robert Hunt. Dude is gnarly. The way Flores was salivating when they drafted Davis at 59 right after Ravens took Dobbins gave me the impression Davis was the pick regardless if J.K. was there to take. Would’ve like to see them trade up to get one of the better safeties but Jones in the 3rd is solid.

Weaver was a steal that late, Kindley and Strowbridge are solid picks. Agreed on taking a nickel back at 30, but that’s the kind of guy the Pats take late 1st/early 2nd, people scratch their heads, and then turns into the mosquito you can’t swat for years to come. Not to mention insurance as Xavien Howard’s off field concerns. But his athleticism is all there.

Maybe this draft seemed good because they didn’t make any head scratching picks but I’m very pleased they took Tua and then built up front. Get the flashier skill players next draft and you’re cooking with diesel before you know it.

 

[Damiencane86]

I understand the bolded part. But even if I agree, what about the past 20 years should have anyone trusting the fins board?
I know, I know... different people in charge. But remember, Chris Grier was an area scout for the fins in 2000-2002, our assistant director of college scouting 2003-2007, director of college scouting 2007-2015, and GM beginning 2016.

Tua at No. 5 was a necessary risk, and I am just glad they didn't get played into giving something up to move one or two spots for him.

Jackson at 18 feels like a reach at OT, not because of a "fictional board," but because his production never matched his physical tools. Ask Buffalo's 2nd round pick, Epenesa, about Jackson. When they played in the Holiday Bowl, Epenesa had 2.5 sacks (and a FF) and was named the defensive player of the game.

Igbinoghene at 30 could work because of his crazy physical traits, and I get that it is a passing league, but spending a 1st on a CB when our starting CBs are among the highest paid in the NFL feels off. At least they moved back and grabbed an extra pick, though.

Hunt is a beast that also fills a need. Great pick.

Davis has bust written all over him. Had one solid year at Baga then disappeared off the face of the Earth. Nowhere to be found against L$U.

Jones is a hyper-limited safety.

Kindley is a mauler that fits a need. Not sure if he's a plug in play guy or not, but I'm good with this pick. OL was horrible and Kindley is hard to move.

Trading a 5th for Breida was a shrewd move. The kind of move that gives me hope. Great value at this point.

Stowbridge, eh. Maybe a higher floor type. Probably more athletically talented guys around, but not a bad pick. My recollection of him is that whenever UNC plays Miami this kid block a ******* kick. At worst he has some special teams value.

Weaver is a hyper-productive pass rusher who would have been drafted much higher but for concerns about his athleticism. I'll always be happy with a pick like this in the 5th round. Strong pick.

Drafting a LS No. 185 is a reach. Fictional board, draft board, dream board, card board... it doesn't matter. Big reach.

Malcolm Perry. This late in the draft, why not? Solid production (albeit in a RB/QB role).

Trading a late 7th for a 6th next sure. Solid move. We can only sign so many guys anyway, might as well get some more ammo in next year's draft (where we also have an extra 1st and 2nd).

I also wasn't a fan of the safety from Texas we picked and I liked other offensive lineman more at 18 than Jackson, but overall it was a draft that seemed measured & logical unlike past regimes.

 

[simplycanes]

I will say this, compared to the past they are clearly trying to move forward with some sort of methodology to it.

As opposed to when they just signed a big-money player like Suh and felt magic was sure to follow.

It wouldn't be the Dolphins though unless they did something very peculiar for the 72, turquoise jacket crowd to embrace. The head-scratcher for me, is dusting off Chan Gailey. He's truly a relic from a version of the NFL which died already. I can't envision him calling an offense that fits somebody like Tua long-term.

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

I also wasn't a fan of the safety from Texas we picked and I liked other offensive lineman more at 18 than Jackson, but overall it was a draft that seemed measured & logical unlike past regimes.

That is fair. These guys do appear to have a cohesive plan. I don't always agree with it, but at least they appear to have one. That alone is better than some of the clowns we've had before.

 

[404CANES]

Miami is one of the top teams in Dime usage, which means 6 or more DBs on the field, in the league. The Dolphins have two of the highest paid corners and not much else behind them which is why they drafted a nickel corner over a RB. RB is a very expendable position and unless you already have a good OL, there's not much reason to spend a high pick on one especially if they're not in the same category as Saquan, Zeke, Mccaffery, etc.

The AFC East opponents account for 37% of the games played. You should build your team to beat the best team(s) in the league, not your division. And Miami now has Breida and Howard, two dependable backs...

I always thought your no.1 goal is to take hold of your division then worry about others. So you're telling me the phins are playing 6 dbs a good portion of games, lol. Breida was not on the roster when Swift was drafted and not even rumored to be, so that it is irrelevant.

Two dependable backs.......on what f'n planet do you live on within today's passing nfl that you think having two capable corners is enough. Flores' defense utilizes nickel & dime looks heavily. What if howard or byron are hurt ? Then what ? You're relying on nick needham & tankersley. They took best player available based on their board at a position that's needed in the scheme we run. The end.

I don't know 1 nfl champion that had or needed 3 elite corners. Flores never had that in NE and they still won. You can paint any picture you want to validate your argument but you will still be wrong. When do you draft at a position because someone may get hurt. That sounds crazy. Should KC draft a qb bc Mahomeboy might get hurt, should Dallas draft a rb bc Zeke might get hurt. You draft players in the 1st round to fill needs and/or to upgrade a position.

 

[Turnoverchaincane]

One minor complaint in taking a nickelback in the end of the 1st round. With so many holes on the team, it would have been nice to see them get an every down starter somewhere else and reach for a nickelback later in the draft.

The last time the Dolphins drafted a nickleback early in the draft. It was a guy named Jamal Fletcher if my tired *** memory serves me right. They passed on some guy names Drew Brees to draft a 5'10 nickle. Looks like the Dolphins were up to their old tricks again. This time drafting a QB that suffered a college career ending hip injury. At least they didn't draft a WR to be their franchise QB this time around. The organization has become the laughing stock of the league since Ross purchased the team. Ross is one of, if not the worst NFL owner in the entire league.

Go Canes!!!

 

[CanesFan93]

I always thought your no.1 goal is to take hold of your division then worry about others. So you're telling me the phins are playing 6 dbs a good portion of games, lol. Breida was not on the roster when Swift was drafted and not even rumored to be, so that it is irrelevant.

I don't know 1 nfl champion that had or needed 3 elite corners. Flores never had that in NE and they still won. You can paint any picture you want to validate your argument but you will still be wrong. When do you draft at a position because someone may get hurt. That sounds crazy. Should KC draft a qb bc Mahomeboy might get hurt, should Dallas draft a rb bc Zeke might get hurt. You draft players in the 1st round to fill needs and/or to upgrade a position.

I'll address both because you obviously don't know.

That's maybe the goal for playoff positioning, but the ultimate goal should be to put together the best team to win the Super Bowl. And yes, the Dolphins used dime packages 29% of the time last year(league average is 12%); under Belichick, Flores was sometimes using 7 DBs. Irrelevant or not, Swift was not going to make or break this team which is what you seem to believe just because RB is a need.

No one said you needed "elite" corners. "Flores never had that in NE and they still won"--NE had/has Stephon Gilmore, Jason McCourty, JC Jackson, and Jonathan Jones to go along with Patrick Chung, Devin McCourty, and Duron Harmon at safety when they won SB LIII in which Flores coached LOL.

 

[404CANES]

I'll address both because you obviously don't know.

That's maybe the goal for playoff positioning, but the ultimate goal should be to put together the best team to win the Super Bowl. And yes, the Dolphins used dime packages 29% of the time last year(league average is 12%); under Belichick, Flores was sometimes using 7 DBs. Irrelevant or not, Swift was not going to make or break this team which is what you seem to believe just because RB is a need.

No one said you needed "elite" corners. "Flores never had that in NE and they still won"--NE had/has Stephon Gilmore, Jason McCourty, JC Jackson, and Jonathan Jones to go along with Patrick Chung, Devin McCourty, and Duron Harmon at safety when they won SB LIII in which Flores coached LOL.

I'm not going back and forth with you on this. You got your corner, lets see how that works out on Sundays.

 

[AUcane]

The last time the Dolphins drafted a nickleback early in the draft. It was a guy named Jamal Fletcher if my tired *** memory serves me right. They passed on some guy names Drew Brees to draft a 5'10 nickle. Looks like the Dolphins were up to their old tricks again. This time drafting a QB that suffered a college career ending hip injury. At least they didn't draft a WR to be their franchise QB this time around. The organization has become the laughing stock of the league since Ross purchased the team. Ross is one of, if not the worst NFL owner in the entire league.

Go Canes!!!

Fletcher was more like 5-8. lol

Fins had a disappointing draft considering their first round picks. I think Kindley, Hunt, Strowbridge were good pickups. I thought the first round was a flop. Davis was far too inconsistent at bama considering his physical traits.

 

[canecrazy23]

Should have taken DeAndre Swift there

100%. The CB would have most likely still been there.

 

[Poptimus]

I think the Igbinoghene pickup is likely to groom him to start on the boundary in 2021 or 2022. Miami has an out from Xavien Howard’s contract with much less dead cap space in 2022 and he could be traded in 2021. They’ve got too much $$ tied up at CB and you don’t draft a first round CB with the intention to keep him at nickel his career. With Xavien’s legal troubles, this is my best guess.

That said, I like Igbinoghene (30th) better than Arnette who the Raiders took 19th. And we got an extra 4th round pick for taking him 30th rather than 26th. Plus, since he returns kicks it may mean he makes Jakeem Grant expendable and saves more cap space. A lot of factors at play with the pick. Flores went to his Pro Day and came away impressed with Igbinoghene’s X’s and O’s knowledge. I trust he will be a gamer.

 

[canecrazy23]

From your statement, i can tell you never played and/or a "whatever move they make is fine by me guy."

You have the nfl's 2 highest paid corners on the roster. Why is a corner higher on their board than a position of need. Do you know the qbs in the afc east, not exactly pro bowlers orrecord setters. Today's nfl requires 2 good dependable backs. Miss me with that skewed fan board bs and learn the game. Stop riding the gm / hc nuts cause you wanted something to say. Bring some substance and keep that other crap.

Can you stop making sense please. This is CIS you know.

 

[canecrazy23]

I'm not going back and forth with you on this. You got your corner, lets see how that works out on Sundays.

What no one seems to understand is the CB from Auburn would 100% been there with our 2nd round pick and we could have had a stud RB. Now we have a slow journeyman in Howard and an unproven RB from SF that did absolutely nothing in the playoffs last year.

 

[Poptimus]

What no one seems to understand is the CB from Auburn would 100% been there with our 2nd round pick and we could have had a stud RB. Now we have a slow journeyman in Howard and an unproven RB from SF that did absolutely nothing in the playoffs last year.

It’s not guaranteed he would have been there 39th. Another CB went 31st after we took him. Maybe another team would have taken him beforehand as opposed to a different position. Kiper and CBS loves the pick. We won’t know for a couple years if it was smart or really dumb.

 

[Page305]

Here's a thing... Go look at Curtis Weaver stats (and also highlights) and then come back and try to convince me why I shouldn't be hella excited and why he shouldn't be considered steal of the draft. And he also has more career sacks than the #2 over pick, both playing 3yrs( CHILL, not saying he's better than Young. Just wanted to state that. Btw, Young did play in 6 less games but it also can be noted that since Young had a waaaaaay better supporting cast on defense, Weaver had the harder route to get his sacks... Even though playing lesser competition)

 

[Poptimus]

Here's a thing... Go look at Curtis Weaver stats (and also highlights) and then come back and try to convince me why I shouldn't be hella excited and why he shouldn't be considered steal of the draft. And he also has more career sacks than the #2 over pick, both playing 3yrs( CHILL, not saying he's better than Young. Just wanted to state that. Btw, Young did play in 6 less games but it also can be noted that since Young had a waaaaaay better supporting cast on defense, Weaver had the harder route to get his sacks... Even though playing lesser competition)

Weaver was a steal. He fell mainly because he looks like he went to the Michael Pinckney School of Exercise. NFL.com literally put in its bio of Weaver he has a soft body type. Not all players look like Cameron Wake.

 

[Page305]

Weaver was a steal. He fell mainly because he looks like he went to the Michael Pinckney School of Exercise. NFL.com literally put in its bio of Weaver he has a soft body type. Not all players look like Cameron Wake.

Hahaha yeah I get on Pickeny about how unfit he is for a LBer as well but if he would have produced all 4yrs consistently, I wouldn't care if he was literally a sack of potatoes. Weaver has the production of a 1st rdr and played like it his whole career.