Does it generally take more than 1 year to turn around a sinking program?

[Awsi Dooger]

The guy literally states that he adjusted these rankings. Miami has 34 blue chips. VT has 20 and UNC has 15. You think that is close?

The author is well respected. He explained his methodology in detail, including the weighting by year. He describes how he works on improving the formula every season. There is no apparent bias in the formula, nothing like adding a half star for this conference and subtracting from another.

You didn't like the bottom line, so you relied instead on a simplistic term like blue chip. That is so typical of the ignorant logic around here. You want Miami to be adding a 1 to the blue chip category time after time, while other ACC Coastal programs are adding 0.

That type of moronic thinking is what lends to the annual stupidity of looking at the schedule and proclaiming one birthrighted victory after another. We are 1 and they are 0. What could possibly go wrong? Your 34/20 and 34/15 ratios are fully representative of the braindead perspective. Posters around here including many moderators and administrators prefer to believe that Miami has twice as much talent as the division rivals.

Meanwhile it is a fractional advantage. The numerical scouting reports like Ourlads that break it down to the hundredth of a point often have Miami players at 3.63 range while a North Carolina player might be 3.42. I have mentioned that many times because it is glaring. It falls in line with those recruiting rankings per year. The 3.63 player might be drafted 6th round while the 3.42 is undrafted free agent. That allows posters who rely on NFL numbers to similarly use the 1 vs 0 garbage...drafted vs. undrafted.

Nobody wants to accept how modest and therefore fragile the advantage is. The conference results of 15 seasons scream that it is fractional. Otherwise it would be the greatest outlier of all time if the talent level consistently dictated one direction while the results consistently pointed in another direction.

The sample size is more than sufficient. We have no claim and no margin for error at #16 recruiting level. If we remain there, then the next coach will quickly be savaged here and name whined toward a banner. As I've emphasized, #16 to #8 is worth a full touchdown per game. That turns the close defeats into victories.

 

[RVACane]

The author is well respected. He explained his methodology in detail, including the weighting by year. He describes how he works on improving the formula every season. There is no apparent bias in the formula, nothing like adding a half star for this conference and subtracting from another.

You didn't like the bottom line, so you relied instead on a simplistic term like blue chip. That is so typical of the ignorant logic around here. You want Miami to be adding a 1 to the blue chip category time after time, while other ACC Coastal programs are adding 0.

That type of moronic thinking is what lends to the annual stupidity of looking at the schedule and proclaiming one birthrighted victory after another. We are 1 and they are 0. What could possibly go wrong? Your 34/20 and 34/15 ratios are fully representative of the braindead perspective. Posters around here including many moderators and administrators prefer to believe that Miami has twice as much talent as the division rivals.

Meanwhile it is a fractional advantage. The numerical scouting reports like Ourlads that break it down to the hundredth of a point often have Miami players at 3.63 range while a North Carolina player might be 3.42. I have mentioned that many times because it is glaring. It falls in line with those recruiting rankings per year. The 3.63 player might be drafted 6th round while the 3.42 is undrafted free agent. That allows posters who rely on NFL numbers to similarly use the 1 vs 0 garbage...drafted vs. undrafted.

Nobody wants to accept how modest and therefore fragile the advantage is. The conference results of 15 seasons scream that it is fractional. Otherwise it would be the greatest outlier of all time if the talent level consistently dictated one direction while the results consistently pointed in another direction.

The sample size is more than sufficient. We have no claim and no margin for error at #16 recruiting level. If we remain there, then the next coach will quickly be savaged here and name whined toward a banner. As I've emphasized, #16 to #8 is worth a full touchdown per game. That turns the close defeats into victories.

Can you please do these things in like 3 or 4 sentences for us simpletons who can’t concentrate trying to sift through all of those words and paragraphs?

 

[RVACane]

You typically wont find that the hoes respond to anything intellectual where they cant flip the narrative. They will jump all over your typical hoe articles when a recruit goes elsewhere or when we lose a game. To turn around a program it takes leaders on both sides of the ball and depth. Not guys who skip a bowl game or enter the draft early when they need more film and field production. The program will make changes along the way and when the winning picks up the ones who have that hoe mentality will be left on the side saying dumb **** like usual.

You’ve got to be trolling. Nobody can be this clueless.

 

[Liquidstoke]

Hey guys nick Saban is the best coach there is. And Nick Saban had some rough years early on. So therefore, anyone who has some rough years early on is destined to become Nick Saban. So it has been written!

That's what you call "false inference".....

What i'm pointing out is simply this: even coaches destined to become the GOAT HC of CFB had struggles to develop their craft...

NOT ONE HC in CFB history ever started with major winning records immediately when they became HC....

IF it took Saban 5 years to learn how to develop at winning program.... why is Diaz or ANY coach held to a different standard?

 

[Liquidstoke]

That is the main issue in point that you so eloquently highlighted by rifling out Saban's track record...Manny should never have been hired to be the HC at Miami, at least at this point in his career. A national search with the end result being a quality & proven HC to come in and take over is what should have happened if our AD wasn't complete trash

The example of Saban was a ONE season winning record at TOLEDO!!

What the *** would you haters be saying if we had hired a coach from TOLEDO??

HOLY **** THE MELTDOWN that would have been going on here if we hired some novice HC from TOLEDO!!

 

[Cribby]

So manny is the next Saban ? Cool.....can’t wait .

 

[Liquidstoke]

Bhurt....why is asking him to win agains these bad teams GA Tech, Duke, VT and FIU so unreasonable???
Those are really really really bad teams.

Let me turn that back around---

Was asking Saban to be better than 6-6 in his first year at Michigan State also unreasonable?

Who gives a *** about Saban's first year now??

 

[Liquidstoke]

People always skip over the part where he won a conference championship in his very first year as a head coach.

Then they follow it up with some nonsense logic that he was struggling at Michigan State and LSU before he became great...but conveniently leave out that what he was doing at those places before the success was as good as those schools have had in a long time before.

Saban is the opposite example of what to use in these scenarios.

These Manny weirdos would be better served using Dabo anyway, but nah, Saban bro.

BS.... Saban's record is what his record is.... his true first stint at Michigan State is an example of what a new HC needs to go through sometimes to develop their craft...

It's true in any profession as it is in CFB coaching-- the more experience and work you put in the better you get....

Diaz has proven he can be an excellent defensive coordinator and field a top 3 defensive unit...

Now he's developing his chops at running the WHOLE show...

If it took Saban 5 years to figure it out....

I'll ask again, why shouldn't Diaz have at least 2-3 years to show what he's got?

 

[duke4heisman]

The example of Saban was a ONE season winning record at TOLEDO!!

What the *** would you haters be saying if we had hired a coach from TOLEDO??

HOLY **** THE MELTDOWN that would have been going on here if we hired some novice HC from TOLEDO!!

It's worse, our is from Temple and he was their 4th choice and we paid 4 million to get him before he ever went there.

 

[Torocane]

Let me turn that back around---

Was asking Saban to be better than 6-6 in his first year at Michigan State also unreasonable?

Who gives a *** about Saban's first year now??

Al Golden was 6-6 his first year at Miami...equaly as irrelevant to mannys first year as sabans first year is.

Now tell me again why it is soooo unfair to asking asking him to win against really bad teams like GA Tech, Duke, VT and the unthinkable Fiu???

 

[duke4heisman]

BS.... Saban's record is what his record is.... his true first stint at Michigan State is an example of what a new HC needs to go through sometimes to develop their craft...

It's true in any profession as it is in CFB coaching-- the more experience and work you put in the better you get....

Diaz has proven he can be an excellent defensive coordinator and field a top 3 defensive unit...

Now he's developing his chops at running the WHOLE show...

If it took Saban 5 years to figure it out....

I'll ask again, why shouldn't Diaz have at least 2-3 years to show what he's got?

No everyone doesn't get better with time. That's why there are numerous previous corches who are demoted or unemployed.

 

[RVACane]

BS.... Saban's record is what his record is.... his true first stint at Michigan State is an example of what a new HC needs to go through sometimes to develop their craft...

It's true in any profession as it is in CFB coaching-- the more experience and work you put in the better you get....

Diaz has proven he can be an excellent defensive coordinator and field a top 3 defensive unit...

Now he's developing his chops at running the WHOLE show...

If it took Saban 5 years to figure it out....

I'll ask again, why shouldn't Diaz have at least 2-3 years to show what he's got?

Naw man. You can’t have the best talent in the Coastal and lose to 2019’s versions of FIU, UNC, GT & Duke, and barely escape CMU, given the circumstances, and get a pass.

 

[jackbenimble71]

There is k

Just asking for a friend....

Because it seems the belief system at CIS is that unless you turn a sinking program around in 8 months, you are automatically a **** coach who needs to be fired immediately...

I've posted this several times and NOT ONE DIAZ HATER had the NUTS to address it honestly with me:

Nick Saban's HC coaching career started this way:

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Forget the 1990 Toledo because he took over a "loaded" and previously well coached team for that conference.

Michigan State is where you see the history of a "young HC" taking over a pathetic program. It took him FIVE years to recruit, make coaching adjustments and improve his craft before he achieved a winning record.

Now let's look at his time at LSU:

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Year 1 was ok...

Year 2 looks great-- but he lost a bunch of seniors to the draft in 2001 (CANES WIN BIG that year anyways)

Year 3--- HOLY ****-- the CIS haters would have been flying "FIRE SABAN" banners for an 8-5 yr for sure... But this is what happens when you lose experienced seniors to the draft...

Reality and true history of Nick Saban -- i hate the guy... but you can't deny he's the best HC in the modern era of CFB.

If Saban needed FIVE years to establish his FIRST winning season at Michigan State... to eventually become the GOAT of CFB HC's...

How is it that Diaz needs to be fired in his FIRST year at Miami?

Don't throw your mindless hate.... give me some LOGICAL arguments based on some FACTS.

If you hate Diaz, show my with some facts how that position is justified against the example of Nick Saban in his first 5 years at a young HC...

There is only 1 fact you need to know:

MANNY DIAZ LOST to FIU!!!!

 

[SayWhat]

Yes, it takes longer than one year.

But.......

We Da U dawg. We play for national championships. Conference, we don't care bout no dayum conferences. Ship or get out. Bring me Meyer, he get it done. Fire everyone, we got money, just not for no **** billboards. Ya feel me.

 

[1mg of Epi]

Funny how the “haters” are consistently proven right, and whatever OP and his ilk are... always wrong. Every single time. Without fail, are wrong.

Yet they still waste time putting together these long winded posts laden with meaningless drivel only to look like twits in the end.

 

[BoxingRobes]

BS.... Saban's record is what his record is.... his true first stint at Michigan State is an example of what a new HC needs to go through sometimes to develop their craft...

It's true in any profession as it is in CFB coaching-- the more experience and work you put in the better you get....

Diaz has proven he can be an excellent defensive coordinator and field a top 3 defensive unit...

Now he's developing his chops at running the WHOLE show...

If it took Saban 5 years to figure it out....

I'll ask again, why shouldn't Diaz have at least 2-3 years to show what he's got?

Because he is a bum.

 

[Ethnicsands]

That's what you call "false inference".....

What i'm pointing out is simply this: even coaches destined to become the GOAT HC of CFB had struggles to develop their craft...

NOT ONE HC in CFB history ever started with major winning records immediately when they became HC....

IF it took Saban 5 years to learn how to develop at winning program.... why is Diaz or ANY coach held to a different standard?

The extent of logical failure in what you just wrote is shocking. I’m quoting it for posterity.

Let’s see. You’re attempting to reason from a single data point. You’re suggesting that what made sense for another school, at another time, with another coach, under other circumstances, somehow should be the standard applicable to Manny here, and apparently all coaches elsewhere. You’re ignoring the actual choices and factors and decisions involved, and assuming that all that matters is the time-frame for no firing. You’re ignoring the possibility, even likelihood, that your chosen example is not a good starting place for analysis, single sata point aside (you started with a statistical outlier.) How about all the non-Sabans who failed over the years? How do they figure into your analysis? Should Shannon have gotten another year? Should FSU have kept Taggert because some other school kept Saban? lol.

 

[SFbayCane]

@Liquidstoke - I don't want to pile on but as others have noted, the Nick Saban analogy has been played time and time again with every coach since Randy. Pardon us if we no longer consider it a valid comparison, given that Saban has been the most successful coach in CGB history and our last 3 hires have not even sniffed another Power 5 head coaching opportunity.



As LCE noted in post #12, the big tell is not our final record but rather who we lost to. Manny could still be successful someday but he's years and years away from possessing a level of competence needed to compete for a national championship.

 

[MotoSniper]

The example of Saban was a ONE season winning record at TOLEDO!!

What the *** would you haters be saying if we had hired a coach from TOLEDO??

HOLY **** THE MELTDOWN that would have been going on here if we hired some novice HC from TOLEDO!!

Calm down cupcake...I'm not one of the haters, but I can realize that the choice to grab Diaz was a premature and poor decision if the desired outcome was to compete right away.

 

[Antcane]

Naw man. You can’t have the best talent in the Coastal and lose to 2019’s versions of FIU, UNC, GT & Duke, and barely escape CMU, given the circumstances, and get a pass.

Kill this troll!