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Does it generally take more than 1 year to turn around a sinking program?

Just like with a young team, you hope to see improvement over a season with a first time head coach. The problem with Manny is we saw nothing but regression. I think many gave Manny the benefit of the doubt for the rough start, but then GT happened. At that point in the season, it was just terrible. However, he got the team to show a heartbeat for the next couple of games, but then reverted to s*&t against FIU and Duke.

Sorry, just totally unacceptable. He will have to have the team do something pretty spectacular next season to get the fanbase back on board. I just don't see him having it in him.
 
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Another thread where we all know Diaz sucks but OP is making an excuse. Program is dead and it will take a house cleaning to get back to even being respectable. It’s no longer what we want it to be and has been this way for a long time. I’ve just finally come to this realization. It took Diaz’s incompetence this past season...
 
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Liquidstoke said:
Just asking for a friend....

Because it seems the belief system at CIS is that unless you turn a sinking program around in 8 months, you are automatically a **** coach who needs to be fired immediately...

I've posted this several times and NOT ONE DIAZ HATER had the NUTS to address it honestly with me:

Nick Saban's HC coaching career started this way:

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Forget the 1990 Toledo because he took over a "loaded" and previously well coached team for that conference.

Michigan State is where you see the history of a "young HC" taking over a pathetic program. It took him FIVE years to recruit, make coaching adjustments and improve his craft before he achieved a winning record.

Now let's look at his time at LSU:

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Year 1 was ok...

Year 2 looks great-- but he lost a bunch of seniors to the draft in 2001 (CANES WIN BIG that year anyways)

Year 3--- HOLY ****-- the CIS haters would have been flying "FIRE SABAN" banners for an 8-5 yr for sure... But this is what happens when you lose experienced seniors to the draft...

Reality and true history of Nick Saban -- i hate the guy... but you can't deny he's the best HC in the modern era of CFB.

If Saban needed FIVE years to establish his FIRST winning season at Michigan State... to eventually become the GOAT of CFB HC's...

How is it that Diaz needs to be fired in his FIRST year at Miami?

Don't throw your mindless hate.... give me some LOGICAL arguments based on some FACTS.

If you hate Diaz, show my with some facts how that position is justified against the example of Nick Saban in his first 5 years at a young HC...
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Do your own **** homework
 
Yrs if the talent's not there. That's not our problem.
 
Miami Nights said:
More often than not you see signs or a turnaround in year one. Herded the problem with Diaz........ He got out coached several times this year not out manned. Very alarming. Butch Davis made Diaz look stupid auf. I mean, in some cases FIU just out worked Miami. For example that goalin 4th down play. That play was there had nelson and #13 blocked instead of falling over themselves like some biches
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Hey homie, you played under Saban at MSU. What was he like in his early days?
 
luciano.8 said:
It's been 15+ years of sinking...
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And 15 yrs of sinking takes a little time to turn around don't you think?

Diaz has proven 1 thing-- he can develop a Championship caliber defense....

Does he have Championship caliber HC abilities??

I DON'T KNOW YET.... it will take time to find out...

Which is my point about Saban's record as a young HC.
 
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JeddTheFisch said:
Why does Michael Bay get to keep on making movies? Why is this troll still posting?
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That's rich bro...

The guys dissing the HC calls himself a "fan"

And the guy trying to use some logic in saying every new HC needs time is called a "troll"...

This is what i mean when i say CIS haters are the dumbest ***king fans in CFB...
 
Liquidstoke said:
That's rich bro...

The guys dissing the HC calls himself a "fan"

And the guy trying to use some logic in saying every new HC needs time is called a "troll"...

This is what i mean when i say CIS haters are the dumbest ***king fans in CFB...
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The coach could literally be a rabbit and you'd be saying "but he needs time to turn it around." Your posts are the same regurgitated garbage. You are Al Folden's marketing assistant. Troll.
 
I dont know, we are going on 18 years now. I think I will be in a nursing home before I find out
 
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Ethnicsands said:
Hey guys nick Saban is the best coach there is. And Nick Saban had some rough years early on. So therefore, anyone who has some rough years early on is destined to become Nick Saban. So it has been written!
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People always skip over the part where he won a conference championship in his very first year as a head coach.

Then they follow it up with some nonsense logic that he was struggling at Michigan State and LSU before he became great...but conveniently leave out that what he was doing at those places before the success was as good as those schools have had in a long time before.

Saban is the opposite example of what to use in these scenarios.

These Manny weirdos would be better served using Dabo anyway, but nah, Saban bro.
 
AHURT12 said:
You typically wont find that the hoes respond to anything intellectual where they cant flip the narrative. They will jump all over your typical hoe articles when a recruit goes elsewhere or when we lose a game. To turn around a program it takes leaders on both sides of the ball and depth. Not guys who skip a bowl game or enter the draft early when they need more film and field production. The program will make changes along the way and when the winning picks up the ones who have that hoe mentality will be left on the side saying dumb **** like usual.
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Bhurt....why is asking him to win agains these bad teams GA Tech, Duke, VT and FIU so unreasonable???
Those are really really really bad teams.
 
Liquidstoke said:
Just asking for a friend....

Because it seems the belief system at CIS is that unless you turn a sinking program around in 8 months, you are automatically a **** coach who needs to be fired immediately...

I've posted this several times and NOT ONE DIAZ HATER had the NUTS to address it honestly with me:

Nick Saban's HC coaching career started this way:

View attachment 105720

Forget the 1990 Toledo because he took over a "loaded" and previously well coached team for that conference.

Michigan State is where you see the history of a "young HC" taking over a pathetic program. It took him FIVE years to recruit, make coaching adjustments and improve his craft before he achieved a winning record.

Now let's look at his time at LSU:

View attachment 105721

Year 1 was ok...

Year 2 looks great-- but he lost a bunch of seniors to the draft in 2001 (CANES WIN BIG that year anyways)

Year 3--- HOLY ****-- the CIS haters would have been flying "FIRE SABAN" banners for an 8-5 yr for sure... But this is what happens when you lose experienced seniors to the draft...

Reality and true history of Nick Saban -- i hate the guy... but you can't deny he's the best HC in the modern era of CFB.

If Saban needed FIVE years to establish his FIRST winning season at Michigan State... to eventually become the GOAT of CFB HC's...

How is it that Diaz needs to be fired in his FIRST year at Miami?

Don't throw your mindless hate.... give me some LOGICAL arguments based on some FACTS.

If you hate Diaz, show my with some facts how that position is justified against the example of Nick Saban in his first 5 years at a young HC...
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That is the main issue in point that you so eloquently highlighted by rifling out Saban's track record...Manny should never have been hired to be the HC at Miami, at least at this point in his career. A national search with the end result being a quality & proven HC to come in and take over is what should have happened if our AD wasn't complete trash
 
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