Do you realize how one non-call finally went our way...

[Braduhley]

I say we join the B12 just so we can have this kind of officiating more often

 

[skillydoo]

It could have been another Ohio State, game changing call. I was happy the announcers decided to leave it alone and not start harping on the possibility that the play by Toure was potential targeting. I still believe that announcers have an effect on what happens up in the booth. If they had spent the time after that play talking about how it was definitely targeting, they probably would have reviewed it. Fortunately they thought it was chest first. In the past, these are the kinds of calls that have killed us.

We forget about these tiny decisions during a game that can change the entire outcome. I'm feeling very fortunate today that we are not spending all our time dissecting that play. And of course it was an amazing play by Toure.

Great job by the refs there. Saw that he had his head up. Let the game play out. Was such an important moment in the flow and they let the players decide the game.

 

[WesternMDCane]

Thought they would review it being they had plenty time to do so as Toure was knocked out for alittle bit and laid on the field. Could’ve easily been a personal foul for hitting a defenseless player instead of targeting. Oh, and all the A&M fans believe they got screwed over the non call.

 

[skillydoo]

Someone posted it in the other thread. I thought they might review it live but after watching the replay I don't think it's targeting at all. All the contact happens with the upper shoulder of the receiver and his helmet is upright when he does it, not down.

I feel like if that play was in the middle of the game they may have stopped to look at it. Great job by the refs to let that moment play out.

 

[FrancisSawyer]

I know I’m biased here but OJ wasn’t a penalty. WR was fighting for yards when he got ragdolled

But I loved watching Elko explode over that

Imagine knowing full well you can’t get a first down on your own and the same tough guy from 2017 ND is now screaming and crying for a flag because he knows it’s the only way they can has a chance

Fat crybaby ****

True but wasn't the ball carrier already out of bounds when OJF slammed him? I might need to rewatch.

 

[Unsider]

Personally I would draw the line whether tackler launched his body forward to determine intent.

Therefore replay needs to examine every targeting and roughing the passer call made to determine that. We have the technology and the sophistication, use it.

 

[S.CarolinaCane]

It could have been another Ohio State, game changing call. I was happy the announcers decided to leave it alone and not start harping on the possibility that the play by Toure was potential targeting. I still believe that announcers have an effect on what happens up in the booth. If they had spent the time after that play talking about how it was definitely targeting, they probably would have reviewed it. Fortunately they thought it was chest first. In the past, these are the kinds of calls that have killed us.

We forget about these tiny decisions during a game that can change the entire outcome. I'm feeling very fortunate today that we are not spending all our time dissecting that play. And of course it was an amazing play by Toure.

Well when OJ slammed KC out of bounds, we definitely got away with one.

 

[JHallCanes]

True but wasn't the ball carrier already out of bounds when OJF slammed him? I might need to rewatch.

It was one of those where they’re battling on the sideline and he steps out in the middle of fighting so the whistle blows but they’re still in the middle of fighting

Defense if the other guy is fighting you keep fighting whether there’s a fluky whistle or not

I just like when the refs don’t call **** like that it’s similar to some of the targeting stuff to me

Just players fighting for a yard it wasn’t a cheap shot

Or maybe I’ll just remember it that way because I want to

 

[FrancisSawyer]

It was one of those where they’re battling on the sideline and he steps out in the middle of fighting so the whistle blows but they’re still in the middle of fighting

Defense if the other guy is fighting you keep fighting whether there’s a fluky whistle or not

I just like when the refs don’t call **** like that it’s similar to some of the targeting stuff to me

Just players fighting for a yard it wasn’t a cheap shot

Or maybe I’ll just remember it that way because I want to

Ok, I see what you mean now and now that you mention it, that's likely the reason the ref didn't throw the flag. Your explanation also makes me wish that the ref in question would have worked our game in Tempe, AZ about 23 years ago

 

[JHallCanes]

Ok, I see what you mean now and now that you mention it, that's likely the reason the ref didn't throw the flag. Your explanation also makes me wish that the ref in question would have worked our game in Tempe, AZ about 23 years ago

Tbh both teams were nasty physical on defense early and the refs were letting them go

I HATE when people cry about the refs but there’s no doubt we’ve seen some calls this year that just get in your head playing defense where you’re thinking about the flag instead of the play

Gimme that kind of officiating all playoffs and I’m feeling good

 

[FrancisSawyer]

Tbh both teams were nasty physical on defense early and the refs were letting them go

I HATE when people cry about the refs but there’s no doubt we’ve seen some calls this year that just get in your head playing defense where you’re thinking about the flag instead of the play

Gimme that kind of officiating all playoffs and I’m feeling good

Couldn't agree more. Give me that officiating crew for the remainder of the playoffs and I'm all set!

 

[JHallCanes]

Couldn't agree more. Give me that officiating crew for the remainder of the playoffs and I'm all set!

Last thing I’ll add is it’s the situation as well

Remember when Mali got a flag for taunting when he pancaked a DB on a block? It’s like yo you got slammed by a slot WR that should be in high school. If he stands over you then so be it

Not that OJ isn’t tough or DBs aren’t tough but if you get ragdolled by a CB that’s your ******* problem don’t cry for a foul

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

I disagree with those who say the ACC refs wouldn’t have called it targeting.

Even in the unlikely event that ACC refs ultimately got the call right, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind they would have spent 10 minutes reviewing it, giving TAMU the equivalent of multiple timeouts to plan a TD scoring play and the 2 pt conversion call to win the game.

 

[Runpasskickscore]

IMO it's borderline, how is a defender supposed to really know whether the guy is out of bounds or not? Defense is just trying to make a play, I hate those flags unless it's really egregious and obvious the guy's out of bounds.

He was clearly out of bounds for a couple seconds lol

 

[CaneThang2020]

Definitely wasn’t targeting, not even close. Facemasks can connect and there will never be an issue upon review.

The OJ non-call was surprising to see - but I legitimately think the Blount roughing call was the makeup. Just glad it didn’t wind up costing us the game. This is what officials call “injecting yourself into the game”.

 

[Rellyrell]

The Toure play was one of those bang bang, incidental helmet to helmet joints. U just hope both players were/are OK, but 100% wasn’t targeting.

OJF 100% got away w a PF, & that was the non call of the game. Refs almost screwed us on a LeFlop PF call on Blount. Either way, I thought the game was well officiated, objectively. One missed call went our way & one bad call went their way.

 

[caneingville]

Tbh both teams were nasty physical on defense early and the refs were letting them go

I HATE when people cry about the refs but there’s no doubt we’ve seen some calls this year that just get in your head playing defense where you’re thinking about the flag instead of the play

Gimme that kind of officiating all playoffs and I’m feeling good

I agree. There are two different scenarios:

1) The receiver is slowing down as he gets out of bounds, and the play is over without a tackle is being made. The defender then tackles the receiver and draws the penalty.

2) The receiver did NOT slow down as he got out of bounds, and therefore, in the minds of the players, the play was not over without a tackle being made as they did not know if they were out of bounds. Although the defender tackled the receiver out of bounds, a penalty is not drawn.

Explanation: Both the defender AND the receiver were battling the whole game, giving it their all, and neither were letting up. Neither was looking at the ground, although they obviously could see they were at the sideline, they probably did not know where the exact line was. Neither was slowing down, and the defender then tackled him as hard as he could. This context is important because it signals the defender's vision and intent to do / not do harm to the receiver, which is the whole point of the rule. The rule was created to prevent a defenseless receiver from getting hurt. But if they were battling the entire time, and it was part of the play, then he was not defenseless.

 

[BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati]

As I said above, the NCAA is NOT trying to legislate it into a rule.

They created two rules, VERY poorly written, with a TON of additional footnotes, in order to absolve themselves of liability in the event that there is ever a concussion lawsuit. If you look at the NCAA rulebook, it also begins with a bunch of meaningless bull**** about concussions. But if they really cared, then they would actually use those BILLIONS of dollars towards training, equipment, advancement, research, and more. But they don't. They had attorneys draft some crap rules to "show" that they were coming down TOUGH (!!!) on hard hits, so they can ostrich their way through, because that is how the NCAA rolls.

"Legislating" isn't really the correct word. Maybe "codify"? I was struggling with which word to use to describe the process the rules committee goes through to draft a new rule/penalty. Things need to be defined and nuance removed as much as possible.
Everything you wrote about the NCAA I'm on board with. They stink.
Side note: I'm proud of you for using "bull****." This is real growth!!!

 

[caneingville]

"Legislating" isn't really the correct word. Maybe "codify"? I was struggling with which word to use to describe the process the rules committee goes through to draft a new rule/penalty. Things need to be defined and nuance removed as much as possible.
Everything you wrote about the NCAA I'm on board with. They stink.
Side note: I'm proud of you for using "bull****." This is real growth!!!

Completely agree that they need to remove the nuance, but they never will until they are forced to. It's just not how they operate because they are spineless and weak.

Wait, why is this growth for me? I cuss all the time! It's actually my one and only vice.* In order to get me to cut down on it, my kid made a rule in my house that I'm only allowed to cuss during football games.

*That's a lie. I do drink alcohol, preferably bourbon, but I have complications from a stroke and am on a number of meds so I drink very infrequently.

 

[407cane]

I dont think it was targeting

think the late personal foul non call on Frederique was the only one we got away with

the fake punt pass could have been called too but was iffy