Dmoney question on the defense

[BWCD]

Y'all know I've been very vocal against this defense, but I can admit that the talent so far in Golden/Doritos tenure has been subpar. DL who can't rush the passer, safeties who can't make a play on the ball, LBs who aren't very athletic. Just not Miami caliber players all over.

But in their 4th year, I think we can all agree that we have talent all over the defense. May not have great depth, but we have good starting talent. Good enough that we shouldn't have to play a soft cover-3 all game long in hopes that opposing offenses will eventually make a mistake.

Good enough that the bend but don't break that teams with athletic-disadvantages run should no longer be run here. If we go out there Monday night and see the same passive defense that they ran week 1 against Maryland and going back to their time at Temple, then we know this soft defense is who they are and we can never expect an elite, play making defense at Miami under these guys.

This, all of this.

Plus, another key besides not having Miami caliber players is that we had guys that weren't "Miami caliber" for a 4-3 scheme trying to play a 3-4 based scheme (no matter what Golden/NoD want to say we are).

Now that the talent level is up, AND the personnel looks more like a fit for a 3-4 base D...we should see some results. If we don't--then at least NoD if not Golden both need to GTFOOH.

 

[BALLHAWKU]

Gamecocks rolled out a new 3-4 scheme. Apparently there's no easy button for implementing it.

Spurrier: "How'd y'all like that 3-4 defense? We got man-handled tonight. We got clobbered. We've got some coaching decisions to make."

Corch must be reading CIS calling out the scheme and the DC. Went HAM in the post-game presser.

Those true freshmans CBs Lammons and Harris looked like pylons all night. They weren't very good defensively last year either, but they felt the impact of playing too many freshmans yesterday.

They gave up 700 yards yesterday, and it could have easily been 800 if Sumlin didn't ease up on the Old Ball Bag. I guess the OBB was being truthful a few days ago when he described his team as "decent".

Losing the best pass rusher in the nation is a big deal. You couple that with starting a bunch of freshmen in the secondary with out Clowney and it all snowballs into what happened last night. I am hopeful that having an older AQM and Chad Thomas will be immensely help our pass rush thus making everything else look better on defense.

That if these dumb *** coach’s doesn’t chick him or have him covering passes all the time. I am so sick of hearing the excuses that come out of coach ag mouth the bottom line if he doesn’t look better this year he needs to be fired. He is going on his Fourth year and I have not seen improvement with the D. It was 3 rd and 3 vs VT a running qb he runs a **** prevent style D. Some of you guys needs to see the picture it doesn’t matter what he gets on the field he will not adapt to the players. I would turn the keys over to Ice before I would allow AG to destroy us. Interim coaches for the year until you hire who you want. AG looses Monday because of his stupid *** scheme I would fire him on the spot, tired of the excuses and fans thinking it ok to be mediocre. I bet he gets called out if we look like **** again

 

[Coach Macho]

Oh man.

 

[Canesfan1899]

I'm gonna puke if our dbs are playing 10 yards off. ..

Me as well. Let the cbs set the tone jamming at the Los and give the pass rush a chance.

 

[Coach Macho]

Some of yall would get your asses kicked if you were DC's.

Yall swear it's as simple as jamming WR's every play.

 

[BALLHAWKU]

I'm gonna puke if our dbs are playing 10 yards off. ..

Me as well. Let the cbs set the tone jamming at the Los and give the pass rush a chance.

Starting to have this feeling a lot of fans wanted to believe we were going actually going change the scheme to play more aggressive but starting to second guess myself on what really is going to happen.

 

[BALLHAWKU]

Some of yall would get your asses kicked if you were DC's.

Yall swear it's as simple as jamming WR's every play.

UMM like No d doesnt get his *** kicked every week anyways?

 

[The Franchise]

Some of yall would get your asses kicked if you were DC's.

Yall swear it's as simple as jamming WR's every play.

Simpleton fan babble. They hear some guy on a message board, who calls himself a coach or claims to have played football beyond HS, yell, "Quit giving such big cushions!," and that becomes the battle cry. Suddenly, if you're not in press coverage on every snap that's why you suck. Same thing with the look to the sideline thing with the offense.

 

[Coach Macho]

Some of yall would get your asses kicked if you were DC's.

Yall swear it's as simple as jamming WR's every play.

UMM like No d doesnt get his *** kicked every week anyways?

Touche'

 

[INCaneFan]

Gamecocks rolled out a new 3-4 scheme. Apparently there's no easy button for implementing it.

Spurrier: "How'd y'all like that 3-4 defense? We got man-handled tonight. We got clobbered. We've got some coaching decisions to make."

Corch must be reading CIS calling out the scheme and the DC. Went HAM in the post-game presser.

Those true freshmans CBs Lammons and Harris looked like pylons all night. They weren't very good defensively last year either, but they felt the impact of playing too many freshmans yesterday.

They gave up 700 yards yesterday, and it could have easily been 800 if Sumlin didn't ease up on the Old Ball Bag. I guess the OBB was being truthful a few days ago when he described his team as "decent".

Losing the best pass rusher in the nation is a big deal. You couple that with starting a bunch of freshmen in the secondary with out Clowney and it all snowballs into what happened last night. I am hopeful that having an older AQM and Chad Thomas will be immensely help our pass rush thus making everything else look better on defense.

Franchise is correct on this one, in particular the point about their defense not being good defensively last year.

Clowney very well could've been the most talented pass rusher in the nation last year, but he didn't play anywhere up to that lofty billing. In 25 years of watching college football, that was easily the most glaring case of a player buying into his own hype and saving himself for the draft I've ever seen. He was basically a non-factor, taking plays off, sitting games out, etc. I would've rather had a guy playing with nothing to lose than the big hype machine. The talent is there, but his mind set sucks donkey balls.

 

[RiDLer80]

Some of yall would get your asses kicked if you were DC's.

Yall swear it's as simple as jamming WR's every play.

Simpleton fan babble. They hear some guy on a message board, who calls himself a coach or claims to have played football beyond HS, yell, "Quit giving such big cushions!," and that becomes the battle cry. Suddenly, if you're not in press coverage on every snap that's why you suck. Same thing with the look to the sideline thing with the offense.

We're not all ******* idiots like you like to imagine. It's not about jamming a WR every play.

But when it's 3rd and 4 and our corners are 7 yards off the receiver then still bail at the snap it's not hard to see that won't work.

 

[terdferguson]

I'm gonna puke if our dbs are playing 10 yards off. ..

Better have that bucket handy. We've seen enough of D'Onofrio/Golden's defense by now to know what they are going to do schematically.

I have only seen the few clips from practice, but I noticed our receivers catching a lot of balls in open space of zone coverage. Unfortunately, I expect our D to look similar to last year with marginal improvement because the players are better

This is the most realistic prediction. We've seen these guys (golden and donofrio) and their scheme for years now. At this point there will be no drastic changes. If you think any different, you're fooling yourself. It'll be the same stuff with a little better execution due to improved talent.

 

[Cans4life]

I expect us to be better because guys like Shayon Green, Kacy Rodgers, Tyrone Cornelius will not be getting significant PT. At the very least, even if the scheme still sucks, more athletic guys will be getting significant PT.

 

[KevinCaneFace]

While I don't love the scheme, I'm more sick of seeing our defense miss three tackles on one play. How many of VT's big plays last year came from plays that we missed a tackle 3 yards out? The talent level should rise enough to fix this part at the very least.

 

[Bigtip]

What about the corners are they up on the line playing in the face of the receivers?

It's the same scheme as last year. They are multiple and do different things. The personnel is better though, and I'd imagine Coach D will have more trust in his corners.

by "multiple" you mean on 1st-3rd down we line up in the 3-4 no matter what the offense shows then on 3rd down and 5+ we go to the garbage speed package nickel look and give up a 1st down?

 

[Plzwork4]

What about the corners are they up on the line playing in the face of the receivers?

It's the same scheme as last year. They are multiple and do different things. The personnel is better though, and I'd imagine Coach D will have more trust in his corners.

by "multiple" you mean on 1st-3rd down we line up in the 3-4 no matter what the offense shows then on 3rd down and 5+ we go to the garbage speed package nickel look and give up a 1st down?

Its as simple as that. Idiot.

 

[BALLHAWKU]

While I don't love the scheme, I'm more sick of seeing our defense miss three tackles on one play. How many of VT's big plays last year came from plays that we missed a tackle 3 yards out? The talent level should rise enough to fix this part at the very least.

yeah third and three playing a prevent with a running qb doesnt help the problem?

 

[BALLHAWKU]

Some of yall would get your asses kicked if you were DC's.

Yall swear it's as simple as jamming WR's every play.

Simpleton fan babble. They hear some guy on a message board, who calls himself a coach or claims to have played football beyond HS, yell, "Quit giving such big cushions!," and that becomes the battle cry. Suddenly, if you're not in press coverage on every snap that's why you suck. Same thing with the look to the sideline thing with the offense.

So your giving another free pass this year ?

 

[bobbydigius]

Gamecocks rolled out a new 3-4 scheme. Apparently there's no easy button for implementing it.

Spurrier: "How'd y'all like that 3-4 defense? We got man-handled tonight. We got clobbered. We've got some coaching decisions to make."

Corch must be reading CIS calling out the scheme and the DC. Went HAM in the post-game presser.

Those true freshmans CBs Lammons and Harris looked like pylons all night. They weren't very good defensively last year either, but they felt the impact of playing too many freshmans yesterday.

They gave up 700 yards yesterday, and it could have easily been 800 if Sumlin didn't ease up on the Old Ball Bag. I guess the OBB was being truthful a few days ago when he described his team as "decent".

Losing the best pass rusher in the nation is a big deal. You couple that with starting a bunch of freshmen in the secondary with out Clowney and it all snowballs into what happened last night. I am hopeful that having an older AQM and Chad Thomas will be immensely help our pass rush thus making everything else look better on defense.

Franchise is correct on this one, in particular the point about their defense not being good defensively last year.

Clowney very well could've been the most talented pass rusher in the nation last year, but he didn't play anywhere up to that lofty billing. In 25 years of watching college football, that was easily the most glaring case of a player buying into his own hype and saving himself for the draft I've ever seen. He was basically a non-factor, taking plays off, sitting games out, etc. I would've rather had a guy playing with nothing to lose than the big hype machine. The talent is there, but his mind set sucks donkey balls.

He looked awful in the opener and while he never played as well as he should have, he still caused havoc. You still needed to game plan around all the time. So what he took half the snaps off, when he was liable blow up a play the other half of the time. You think the game plan wasn't to double team him and give him extra attention every game? This made it easier for the rest of the DL.

 

[The Franchise]

Some of yall would get your asses kicked if you were DC's.

Yall swear it's as simple as jamming WR's every play.

Simpleton fan babble. They hear some guy on a message board, who calls himself a coach or claims to have played football beyond HS, yell, "Quit giving such big cushions!," and that becomes the battle cry. Suddenly, if you're not in press coverage on every snap that's why you suck. Same thing with the look to the sideline thing with the offense.

We're not all ******* idiots like you like to imagine. It's not about jamming a WR every play.

But when it's 3rd and 4 and our corners are 7 yards off the receiver then still bail at the snap it's not hard to see that won't work.

You're a bright guy, but, yeah, most of the guys on here puppetting the same goofy mantras that they heard someone else say are fcking idiots. Guys grab a play our two off YouTube and build their lives around it. There isn't a coach alive who has called a perfect game every week.

I would have fired them both last season and hired Petrino before UL did. ****, I built the Gus Bus. I would have hired Malzahn the last time we needed a HC. But we're stuck with these guys for at least another year. Hopefully, the talent upgrade will result in the top 25 defense we should field this year. If not, then heads need to roll because in the end it's a results game.