Dissecting Butch Davis' Tenure at UNC

[prinmemo]

Butch had 1 10 win season. No one is discrediting that. He also had 2 seasons with 9 wins prior to that in an era where you only played 11 games. 9 win seasons back then are like 10 win seasons now. Butch played a ranked team nearly every other game at Miami. His record at Miami is great.

Now his tenure at UNC left something to be desired, specifically year 3. Like I've pointed out before, most of his losses were one possession in years 3 and 4. Had he not been stubborn and kept Schoop, he would have won a few more games each year.

To me, Butch absolutely needs a good OC if he comes back or else it could lead to us dropping games we should not.

This is fair. Basically, Butch needs the right staff to ensure he doesn't lose games in the last possession again. I can get behind that. We would also have the resources to get that done.

 

[NVA CANE]

Good recruiter average to below average coach?

That's what he did at Miami as well basically. I think he's solid. Think Les Miles, Mark Richt, Bob Stoops, etc. Guys like that.

Perfect categorization of Butch. He will always have you competing and have the team loaded with talent but all the right pieces have to be there for him to get you over the hump.

I I got no problems with Butch but people really have to ask themselves if they think he can really get a national championship with this team again (I credit him for the first one). At some point coaches like players decline and even elite talent evaluations and recruiting won't get you over the hump.

 

[ProjectMKUltra5]

Refuses to adjust for 11 game seasons, lists almost every loss as a "notable loss", and leaves out a win against ranked BC in 08

Yeah this is legit

 

[KevinCaneFace]

You guys realize that all the talent he recruited in his first year wouldn't have got on campus until his second year. So that 8-5 season looks bad with all that talent until you realize they were all sophomores. Teams that young lose games they shouldn't. That's why people were worried about them before the scandel hit in year four.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Good recruiter average to below average coach?

That's what he did at Miami as well basically. I think he's solid. Think Les Miles, Mark Richt, Bob Stoops, etc. Guys like that.

He was 1-5 versus fsu our main rival.

I think Butch is just average. He will recruit will, but we will struggle some game days.. Period..

I want to see us blow some teams out. He is not the coach we want if we plan on being a explosive team. That is not in his DNA, sorry butch advocates truth hits you smack in the face.

Of those 6 games against FSU, how many times did Butch have the better team? At most twice more likely once and those FSU teams went 66-8 with a finish of 4th at worst while going 1-1 in the Orange Bowl, 2-1 in the Sugar Bowl, and 0-1 in the Fiesta Bowl to go along with 6 ACC championships and a national championship. If the FSU comparison is your major barometer for Butch's success while at Miami, then everybody failed because FSU was the best team in the country from 1995-2000.

If you want to see us blow teams out, not really sure how that automatically disqualifies Butch with margins of victory of 47, 37, 58, 28, 11, 20, 28, 26, 46, and 17 in just the 2000 season alone. His teams are the definition of explosive as far as athleticism is concerned. Your Drop the Mic attempt with Butch kind of blew up in your face as far as the truth is concerned considering you grossly misrepresented him to try and make and inaccurate point. Try again. You're better than that.

 

[deleted3746]

Since when is someone judged by "10+ win seasons" when more than half of his tenure was in the 11-game era? Dude was 51-20 with some of the worst sanctions in this generation.

If .833 is the minimum yearly winning percentage that we will accept, you just crossed a lot of names off the list.

It's well documented what Butch did at Miami which was 15 years ago.

What did he do at UNC?

Follow along.

You said that he only has one 10+ win season in 10 years as a head coach. I pointed out that six of his ten years were in the 11-game era. If you're going to use numbers, use them correctly.

I've used them correctly.

10 years as a college coach, 30+ 1st rd NFL draft picks, 1 10+ win season.

Back to square one. Why are you expecting 10+ win seasons when the team is on probation and there are only 11 regular season games?

Show any of my posts that say I'm expecting 10+ win seasons.

With all the talent he had at Miami and UNC, he should've had more success than he did.

 

[deleted3746]

Maybe look at the QB recruiting. I don't remember a blue-chip QB at UNC.

He recruited and signed 5* and 4* QBs at UNC.

 

[gacaneaddict]

Winners win losers make excuses.

 

[deleted3746]

Refuses to adjust for 11 game seasons, lists almost every loss as a "notable loss", and leaves out a win against ranked BC in 08

Yeah this is legit

So add in BC as a notable win and Butch still ends up 15-17 in ACC games. Defend that. Make an excuse for that.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Year 3 is the one that concerns me. All that talent he brought in should've been up to playing speed by then. Year 1=The program sucked when he took over. Year 2=He doubled up the previous year's wins. About what he should've done. Year 3=He needed to win more than he did and even worse is John Shoop should've been fired by then. Year 4=The stars got suspended and he probably still should've won more.

He's still my choice for the job.

No dummy... year 3 all that talent was sophomores smh

Well, stupid, he managed to go 8-5 the year before when they were all Freshmen and followed that up by not progressing at all in any way, shape, or form. So the team as Sophomores wasn't any better than when they were Freshmen? Stop eating paint chips and try and come up with a coherent point, fool.

 

[ssj4cane]

It's well documented what Butch did at Miami which was 15 years ago.

What did he do at UNC?

Follow along.

You said that he only has one 10+ win season in 10 years as a head coach. I pointed out that six of his ten years were in the 11-game era. If you're going to use numbers, use them correctly.

I've used them correctly.

10 years as a college coach, 30+ 1st rd NFL draft picks, 1 10+ win season.

Back to square one. Why are you expecting 10+ win seasons when the team is on probation and there are only 11 regular season games?

Show any of my posts that say I'm expecting 10+ win seasons.

With all the talent he had at Miami and UNC, he should've had more success than he did.

He was about as successful at Miami as you can get. Got screwed out of a shot at a title and left the best team in the history of CFB. Year 3 at unc maybe he should have won a couple more games. We all know what happened their the next season. He's also the only coach to make the playoffs in Cleveland since they've been back there.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

You guys realize that all the talent he recruited in his first year wouldn't have got on campus until his second year. So that 8-5 season looks bad with all that talent until you realize they were all sophomores. Teams that young lose games they shouldn't. That's why people were worried about them before the scandel hit in year four.

In Year 2 he still had the bad talent that he had been left from the previous coaching staffs and went 8-5 with it while his Freshman players waited. That's a good job.

In Year 3, when his guys should have some shadow of development and considering that his staff should also be comfortable, the team didn't get better. That's not a good job. His ascending players should've outperformed the garbage that John Bunting left for him.

 

[CaneScott]

Year 3 is the one that concerns me. All that talent he brought in should've been up to playing speed by then. Year 1=The program sucked when he took over. Year 2=He doubled up the previous year's wins. About what he should've done. Year 3=He needed to win more than he did and even worse is John Shoop should've been fired by then. Year 4=The stars got suspended and he probably still should've won more.

He's still my choice for the job.

No dummy... year 3 all that talent was sophomores smh

That team did have 6 juniors and seniors that went on to be drafted though.

 

[Cityboy4life]

Year 3 is the one that concerns me. All that talent he brought in should've been up to playing speed by then. Year 1=The program sucked when he took over. Year 2=He doubled up the previous year's wins. About what he should've done. Year 3=He needed to win more than he did and even worse is John Shoop should've been fired by then. Year 4=The stars got suspended and he probably still should've won more.

He's still my choice for the job.

If not for all the suspensions I think they win the National title

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Year 3 is the one that concerns me. All that talent he brought in should've been up to playing speed by then. Year 1=The program sucked when he took over. Year 2=He doubled up the previous year's wins. About what he should've done. Year 3=He needed to win more than he did and even worse is John Shoop should've been fired by then. Year 4=The stars got suspended and he probably still should've won more.

He's still my choice for the job.

If not for all the suspensions I think they win the National title

As I look at their season on Wikipedia now, I think they win three of the five games that they lost that year. A 6 point loss to LSU, a 6 point loss to Georgia Tech, and a 4 point loss to NC State seem like the result would've been different had North Carolina's stars not been suspended.

A 23 point loss to a bad Miami team and a 16 point loss to Virginia Tech seem like more talent wouldn't have been the difference between winning and losing. At bare minimum they would be been a very good team and better than 8-5.

 

[prinmemo]

11-2 ain't bad

 

[UMFarArcher]

Just WITF are we talking about North Carolina for?

 

[919cane]

You should care.

This ain't UNC

Who said it was?

A good coach should be able to produce anywhere.

So Saban wins multiple national championships at SMU, for example!

He might not win NCs, but I'm sure he'd have SMU winning 10+ games, competing for conf titles, and playing in decent bowls.

Like he did at Michigan State? You can poke holes at almost any coaches resume.

 

[FireSwasey]

Just WITF are we talking about North Carolina for?

Bc people want to hire a coach who was pretty mediocre there. I'd rather a guy coming off of being really successful than a guy on the obvious downside of his career.

 

[orange&green84]

Butch will keep certainly keep Swasey (he hired him), Beard (he recruited him), Kehoe (he was part of his staff), and Hurlie (former Cane). He probably brings back Mario, who is a corch, and Dorsey as a rookie OC. That's a really weak staff. Bring me Herman.

How do you know this?