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Dissecting Butch Davis' Tenure at UNC

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Gatorhater said:
Cribby said:
Butch is an elite evaluator and recruiter . But a straight up corch in game.

You better hope he catches lightning in a bottle twice if he's hired. Elite assistants and talent is a must.
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Butch is lighting in a bottle, he doesn't need to catch it. Is he best coach? Probably not. BUT for all those who think a hot up and comer is the way to go and that it has worked for us before, it actually has not. JJ and Dennis inherited NC teams loaded with fantastic talent. Dennis was horrible recruiter who left us a wreck. Butch inherited that wreck and left us with a NC team and greatest collection of talent ever. Unless one of these young heroes is a clone of Howard, I suggest everyone roll up their AD/GM/HC egos and let the dude who save the program once take a shot at doing it again.

One more stat: # First round draft picks Butch Davis 29
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Butch is actually responsible for 30+ 1st rd NFL draft picks in 10 years as a coach.

How many 10+ win seasons does he have with that talent? 1.
 
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Since when is someone judged by "10+ win seasons" when more than half of his tenure was in the 11-game era? Dude was 51-20 with some of the worst sanctions in this generation.

If .833 is the minimum yearly winning percentage that we will accept, you just crossed a lot of names off the list.
 
Thread Killa said:
duke4heisman said:
IDGAF about UNC. He has PROVEN what he build at MIAMI. NUFF SAID.
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You should care.
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Thank god I'm not the only one who has a problem with this statement. Listen, I'd be fine with Butch being hired but those expecting him to be able to replicate the 2000 - 2002 talent are fooling themselves. There's a reason that type of talent and leadership only comes around once in a generation. Also, the whole John Shoop scenario really scares me. Hopefully he makes much better coaching decisions this time around if hired.
 
TedHendricksOffspring said:
Year 3 is the one that concerns me. All that talent he brought in should've been up to playing speed by then. Year 1=The program sucked when he took over. Year 2=He doubled up the previous year's wins. About what he should've done. Year 3=He needed to win more than he did and even worse is John Shoop should've been fired by then. Year 4=The stars got suspended and he probably still should've won more.

He's still my choice for the job.
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No dummy... year 3 all that talent was sophomores smh
 
Consigliere said:
Andrew said:
Butch's mistake was hiring Shoop. The defense was good enough to win every game. If NC could have scored some points it would have made it even easier for his defense to make an impact since the opposing team would have to get desperate. This is why I think he should bring it someone proven at calling plays in college. I will live with Dorsey because I am a Dorsey homer but don't have any track record to know how he will do.
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That defense was led by 2 very good coaches. Pagano, well we know.

Everett is doing well at JMU.
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Totally agree, my point was their defense was good and would have been even better if their O had had scored more points.
 
Jaromir Jagr said:
Since when is someone judged by "10+ win seasons" when more than half of his tenure was in the 11-game era? Dude was 51-20 with some of the worst sanctions in this generation.

If .833 is the minimum yearly winning percentage that we will accept, you just crossed a lot of names off the list.
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It's well documented what Butch did at Miami which was 15 years ago.

What did he do at UNC?
 
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Thread Killa said:
Jaromir Jagr said:
Since when is someone judged by "10+ win seasons" when more than half of his tenure was in the 11-game era? Dude was 51-20 with some of the worst sanctions in this generation.

If .833 is the minimum yearly winning percentage that we will accept, you just crossed a lot of names off the list.
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It's well documented what Butch did at Miami which was 15 years ago.

What did he do at UNC?
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Follow along.

You said that he only has one 10+ win season in 10 years as a head coach. I pointed out that six of his ten years were in the 11-game era. If you're going to use numbers, use them correctly.
 
Jaromir Jagr said:
Thread Killa said:
Jaromir Jagr said:
Since when is someone judged by "10+ win seasons" when more than half of his tenure was in the 11-game era? Dude was 51-20 with some of the worst sanctions in this generation.

If .833 is the minimum yearly winning percentage that we will accept, you just crossed a lot of names off the list.
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It's well documented what Butch did at Miami which was 15 years ago.

What did he do at UNC?
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Follow along.

You said that he only has one 10+ win season in 10 years as a head coach. I pointed out that six of his ten years were in the 11-game era. If you're going to use numbers, use them correctly.
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I've used them correctly.

10 years as a college coach, 30+ 1st rd NFL draft picks, 1 10+ win season.
 
Thread Killa said:
Jaromir Jagr said:
Thread Killa said:
Jaromir Jagr said:
Since when is someone judged by "10+ win seasons" when more than half of his tenure was in the 11-game era? Dude was 51-20 with some of the worst sanctions in this generation.

If .833 is the minimum yearly winning percentage that we will accept, you just crossed a lot of names off the list.
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It's well documented what Butch did at Miami which was 15 years ago.

What did he do at UNC?
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Follow along.

You said that he only has one 10+ win season in 10 years as a head coach. I pointed out that six of his ten years were in the 11-game era. If you're going to use numbers, use them correctly.
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I've used them correctly.

10 years as a college coach, 30+ 1st rd NFL draft picks, 1 10+ win season.
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Back to square one. Why are you expecting 10+ win seasons when the team is on probation and there are only 11 regular season games?
 
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Butch had 1 10 win season. No one is discrediting that. He also had 2 seasons with 9 wins prior to that in an era where you only played 11 games. 9 win seasons back then are like 10 win seasons now. Butch played a ranked team nearly every other game at Miami. His record at Miami is great.

Now his tenure at UNC left something to be desired, specifically year 3. Like I've pointed out before, most of his losses were one possession in years 3 and 4. Had he not been stubborn and kept Schoop, he would have won a few more games each year.

To me, Butch absolutely needs a good OC if he comes back or else it could lead to us dropping games we should not.
 
Jaromir Jagr said:
Thread Killa said:
Jaromir Jagr said:
Thread Killa said:
Jaromir Jagr said:
Since when is someone judged by "10+ win seasons" when more than half of his tenure was in the 11-game era? Dude was 51-20 with some of the worst sanctions in this generation.

If .833 is the minimum yearly winning percentage that we will accept, you just crossed a lot of names off the list.
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It's well documented what Butch did at Miami which was 15 years ago.

What did he do at UNC?
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Follow along.

You said that he only has one 10+ win season in 10 years as a head coach. I pointed out that six of his ten years were in the 11-game era. If you're going to use numbers, use them correctly.
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I've used them correctly.

10 years as a college coach, 30+ 1st rd NFL draft picks, 1 10+ win season.
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Back to square one. Why are you expecting 10+ win seasons when the team is on probation and there are only 11 regular season games?
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He doesn't seem to get that the 10+ win standard is not apples to apples relative to most of the guys we are looking at.
 
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