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canesfanmpls said:
I can’t disagree with anything you said and I am all for the non-compete stuff. That being said - there has to be a clean way to do it - they just have to get creative. The current transfer environment could hypothetically be viewed as a detriment to fair competition and the rise of monopolies in college athletics. Like I said earlier - I’m all for NIL being unlimited and one free transfer to maximize value etc.
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I agree with every point you make and from a competitive standpoint and for fan engagement, the 1 time free transfer rule is considered a pretty good rule. I agree with this sentiment. But the court is looking at the issue from a purely legal standpoint in which the NC2A is seen as depriving the player of the opportunity to change “employers”. The courts are increasingly looking at this like an employer/employee legal model.

And this reasoning is being used by conservative and liberal judges. It is the one issue that all of the courts are lined up on one side, largely because the US Supreme Court ruled unanimously in favor of players.
 
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DMoney said:
Congress can grant a legal safe harbor. College Gameday is free PR for this scam, and the NCAA has invested millions of dollars in lobbyists. They are all working to squeeze this scam through.
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I must not remember the facts correctly, but my recollection is that Baseball had an exemption granted by Congress, but then Curt Flood won his case on anti-trust grounds. Which then gave way to the collective bargaining arrangement.

What do I have wrong there? And if it's correct, why would an NCAA exemption withstand anti-trust challenges when baseball's exemption was overruled. I'm must be misremembering here...
 
I bet if the high level bankrollers locked up shop here and we were essentially broke, opinions would be different.

It's a broke as system. It's pay for play. It's different than what was intended when they came up with NIL in the first place. I didn't see the piece that's being talked about but I'd like to see college football fixed as it's all kinds of messed up right now.
 
AtlAtty said:
I agree with every point you make and from a competitive standpoint and for fan engagement, the 1 time free transfer rule is considered a pretty good rule. I agree with this sentiment. But the court is looking at the issue from a purely legal standpoint in which the NC2A is seen as depriving the player of the opportunity to change “employers”. The courts are increasingly looking at this like an employer/employee legal model.

And this reasoning is being used by conservative and liberal judges. It is the one issue that all of the courts are lined up on one side, largely because the US Supreme Court ruled unanimously in favor of players.
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I guess the ultimate question is can/will college athletes unionize? The highest recruits and transfers would be against that given the current situation. If they did - would the NCAA have any more or less of a say if that happened.
 
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AUcane said:
Devil’s advocate here but why shouldn’t we treat it like a salary cap?
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NFL Players are allowed to make unlimited money outside their salary - just as long as their is no association with the team in those payments. NFL players get all sorts of endorsement deals. That's the definition of what NIL is supposed to be.

So even if there is a CBA for CFB, you still can't stop them from collecting income outside of that. All you can do is prohibit the school being involved which is what was going on the first year of NIL... Which most would probably say wasn't as good for the players.

What they need is a contract length that protects the program for the payments and doesn't allow constant renegotiations (but can allow them to receive more)
 
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Miami04 said:
I can guarantee if Bud Light influenced Kelce to change teams every other year the nfl would make changes.
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They can't though because they have a contract, and the team has rights too. In CFB it's totally one sided with the power right now. Why wouldn't a player renegotiate every opportunity if he can leave whenever he wants.

If the NCAA wants to do something, get a CBA and make schools pay X amount per player and have them sign a 2 year contract. And they can make any amount of money they want outside of that too... But the thing is once they sign a CBA they'll be making a LOT more money anyways. How big is CFB? The NFL salary cap per team is $255M. Today maybe the largest NIL budgets are maybe $25M/yr. Does the NFL draw 10x more revenue?... oh and that's only looking at it compared to the highest paying program. What if the average is only paying $5-$10M?

I mean we KNOW the yearly conference payout is getting closer to $100M for SEC/B1G... Well in a 50/50 Team/Player split like CBAs are about, you can see how players stand to make a lot more. And once that happens, a lot of that NIL money from boosters will dry up cause they'll just invest it back into the athletic deparment instead probably...
 
Cool....put a cap on player $$$

Put a cap on...
Coach salaries...no cost of living adjustment
Recruiting Budget...same $$ for everyone

Where does it stop with these self serving morons
 
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calinative umstudent said:
NFL Players are allowed to make unlimited money outside their salary - just as long as their is no association with the team in those payments. NFL players get all sorts of endorsement deals. That's the definition of what NIL is supposed to be.

So even if there is a CBA for CFB, you still can't stop them from collecting income outside of that. All you can do is prohibit the school being involved which is what was going on the first year of NIL... Which most would probably say wasn't as good for the players.

What they need is a contract length that protects the program for the payments and doesn't allow constant renegotiations (but can allow them to receive more)
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I highlighted the key phrase here. And while yes, collectives are designed to bring fans closer to the program and you can’t limit fan contributions but let’s be real, the big time $$ are coming straight from high profile boosters that have strong ties to the program. Now, this tie may indeed be separate but let’s not be naive here. The schools have NIL departments, for crying out loud.
 
I don’t get you NIL white knight crusaders. It will ruin college football, yet you seem to care little, even though the product is the only tie you even have to the conversation. You are so worried about strangers getting paid that you miss that there will be nothing left that’s worth paying them for eventually.
 
DMoney said:
The crew basically spit the NCAA company line on the House Settlement. Nick Saban, the biggest cheater in history and close friend of former NCAA President Mark Emmert, said there should be a cap on revenue sharing and an NCAA clearinghouse to make sure NIL deals are fair market value.

Here’s the truth about the settlement: the players are going to make less money than they do now, and an incompetent, corrupt NCAA bureaucracy is going to grow larger and more powerful.

Does anybody think the NCAA knows anything about “fair market value?” They are as efficient and impressive as the local DMV. They’re historically corrupt and criminal. Why are we giving them more regulatory power and responsibility?

There can be no limit on NIL. It’s illegal and will get destroyed in Court. The only way this gets through is if the propaganda campaign and lobbyist money influences Capitol Hill. Anybody with a voice needs to expose this scam.
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Here’s the truth about the settlement: the players are going to make less money than they do now, and an incompetent, corrupt NCAA bureaucracy is going to grow larger and more powerful.




Sounds like DC
 
DMoney said:
The crew basically spit the NCAA company line on the House Settlement. Nick Saban, the biggest cheater in history and close friend of former NCAA President Mark Emmert, said there should be a cap on revenue sharing and an NCAA clearinghouse to make sure NIL deals are fair market value.

Here’s the truth about the settlement: the players are going to make less money than they do now, and an incompetent, corrupt NCAA bureaucracy is going to grow larger and more powerful.

Does anybody think the NCAA knows anything about “fair market value?” They are as efficient and impressive as the local DMV. They’re historically corrupt and criminal. Why are we giving them more regulatory power and responsibility?

There can be no limit on NIL. It’s illegal and will get destroyed in Court. The only way this gets through is if the propaganda campaign and lobbyist money influences Capitol Hill. Anybody with a voice needs to expose this scam.
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Anytime the govt gets involved or any regulatory body, that creates inefficiency and loss of competition economics 101 ***** ncaa
 
Empirical Cane said:
The scenario you describe above doesn't even exist in US professional sports today. I don't beleive it does in Euro futból either.

"Unlimited" anything for players is not going to happen.

I said this years ago...

NCAA is going to eventually adopt, for the "superconference" anyways, a mirror image of NFL's salary cap.

That will include:

- Some sort of "base pay" per athlete
- Some sort of HS draft of top 100-200 players
- Some sort of UDFA bonus schedule for HS players not drafted
- Perhaps an "infrastructure spending cap" on facilities etc....gets sticky with public vs private universities
- Just wait until "national level NIL deals" start muddying the waters
-- Nike, Gatorade, Addidas, etc...start doing endorsements w/ athtletes right out of HS to secure them as potential future pros?
-- How does that affect what school they choose to play for?
-- OR do they get "stuck" at a school because of it?


IT IS ONLY WAY TO SAVE THE BEAST.
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How can you tell a High School "Student Athlete" they have to go to Mississippi State for their formative years because they had the SEC #1 pick? Please tell me oh Emperor that I am misreading this? Especially with the parents who want to keep an eye on the value systems they will be learning at College.
 
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I don’t see the NIL genie ever being put back in the bottle. We’re a nation founded in capitalism and free markets, and the athletes represent their own product that colleges want to buy because it benefits both parties in the transaction. What court or Congress will deny them their right to command market value?

Now taxing this system is another matter altogether. Not a lot related to not-for-profit academics going on.
 
Ghandi said:
What? Why?

NIL should not be regulated.

They don’t tell you what a widget should/shouldn’t cost. That’s for the market to decide.

Same should apply to student athletes
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To be fair, our current administration is arguing that they have the power to do just that for essentially anything and everything they want to control.
 
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