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Depth Chart for Clemson

m-vac said:
Bandy said he did it for family reasons. It makes sense for a guy like him. I don't think he would have been able to improve his stock much, but he made a team and is making money. JT4 definitely shouldn't have left. His body wasn't NFL ready and it didn't look like it changed in preparation for camp. He's a kid who could have definitely improved his stock. Now he's not even on a roster.
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FYI, trajan didn't make a roster, he made the practice squad, and then was released last week.

as far as i know, he remains unsigned and unemployed.
 
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Liberty City El said:
JT4 would've been an explosive weapon in Lashlee's system, but he just wanted to leave because he was tired of always being labeled as the bad guy & was just ready to go.

Bandy left because he was dealing with some difficult financial issues with his family, it was a dumb move for the long run, but he had people tugging on him from multiple directions, he chose the quickest decision possible & wasn't really allowed to weigh his options & make the best choice possible. He basically got pushed into it by outside factors.

Rousseau's Mom is a nurse at a hospital & was dealing with Covid-19 on the front lines, he's pretty much widely regarded as a guaranteed 1st round pick, which is millions of dollars in guaranteed money, under no circumstances were his parents going to let him risk that to play another season especially after he had already missed his TF season with an injury in the first game of the season vs LSU in 2018. I wish he would've stayed & just played in this Clemson game only & then opt-out the rest of the season, but there's just too much money on the line for him to risk it.

I get the old school mentality most fans have & of course we always want the players to play, but at the end of day, these kids are independent contractors & have to always look out for themselves.

I agree that JT & Bandy made shortsighted decisions & should've came back, but once a player decides they want quick money & they're out, you really don't want them on the team because they'll half *** it every step of the way & will have one foot out the door the entire season giving minimal effort. Jon Garvin last year was the exact example of this, he played at 40-60% the whole year because he was just eyeing the NFL, he had no intentions on giving it his all & was just going through the motions in every game.

That is a backward way of doing it I know, because as a player the better effort you give, the better you'll play, the higher draft grade you'll get which will ultimately earn you more money, but unfortunately kids in today's era simply don't think like that.
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Imo, your reply echoes my post, "SELFISHNESS" with GR, you admitted the whole thing is about "MONEY" I respect your post, but I maintain that generally speaking, it is mostly selfishness, we'll just have to agree to disagree. BTW, your contribution to the board is greatly appreciated,
 
Ucrazy said:
Imo, your reply echoes my post, "SELFISHNESS" with GR, you admitted the whole thing is about "MONEY" I respect your post, but I maintain that generally speaking, it is mostly selfishness, we'll just have to agree to disagree. BTW, your contribution to the board is greatly appreciated,
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What exactly are we disagreeing about?

I agree that it's selfish, but I don't have a problem with it because that's just the business of the game.

The players have no choice but to lookout for themselves when it comes to their future & their career, even if it doesn't benefit the team overall.

Everything is about money, there's not a single person on this board who doesn't do & make the majority of their decisions based around money, that's just a reality of life, it's hypocritical to think college athletes shouldn't do the same.

In Rousseau's case, it wasn't even really his choice, his parents were not about to let him risk millions, I wish he would've played this year just like everybody else but I'm not gonna be mad at him or act like he did something wrong because of it.

Where I separate from the majority sentiment on the board is I just don't hold it against the kids like everyone else seems too, at the end of the day these kids are sacrificing their bodies to play for free, if they make a decision to put some money in their pocket even if it's not necessarily the best decision at the moment I can't be mad, because it's their life not mine.
 
Liberty City El said:
What exactly are we disagreeing about?

I agree that it's selfish, but I don't have a problem with it because that's just the business of the game.

The players have no choice but to lookout for themselves when it comes to their future & their career, even if it doesn't benefit the team overall.

Everything is about money, there's not a single person on this board who doesn't do & make the majority of their decisions based around money, that's just a reality of life, it's hypocritical to think college athletes shouldn't do the same.

In Rousseau's case, it wasn't even really his choice, his parents were not about to let him risk millions, I wish he would've played this year just like everybody else but I'm not gonna be mad at him or act like he did something wrong because of it.

Where I separate from the majority sentiment on the board is I just don't hold it against the kids like everyone else seems too, at the end of the day these kids are sacrificing their bodies to play for free, if they make a decision to put some money in their pocket even if it's not necessarily the best decision at the moment I can't be mad, because it's their life not mine.
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Well 1st of all, concerning the disagreeing, you gave me a disagree emoji, so to my knowledge you were disagreeing with my post, which is fine. 2ndly, these players are not playing for free, they are compensated with a scholarship/education to play for the university. No one forces tthem to do this, it is their own decision to accept this offer given to them by the university. Imo, if they leave early or bail any way shape or form, other than injury or a legitimate reason for doing so, then that said player should have their remaining scholarship pulled do to not upholding their end of the agreement to play for the university, now once again, no one forces them into this decision, they have every right/opportunity to pursue a different path in life. GR15 bailed on the university and his team for his own selfish reasons, please allow me to point out, this is my opinion only, there is no way on God's green earth I wouldn't have played with my team in a year like this. And the reason for me would be because "I WANT TO WIN" no way I sit on the side and watch my teammates play against a Clemson team when I know **** well I could contribute and help my team win. But that's an old school mentality, nowadays, the mentality is "IT'S ALL ABOUT ME" so yes, that's why I said we'll have to agree to disagree.
 
Liberty City El said:
What exactly are we disagreeing about?

I agree that it's selfish, but I don't have a problem with it because that's just the business of the game.

The players have no choice but to lookout for themselves when it comes to their future & their career, even if it doesn't benefit the team overall.

Everything is about money, there's not a single person on this board who doesn't do & make the majority of their decisions based around money, that's just a reality of life, it's hypocritical to think college athletes shouldn't do the same.

In Rousseau's case, it wasn't even really his choice, his parents were not about to let him risk millions, I wish he would've played this year just like everybody else but I'm not gonna be mad at him or act like he did something wrong because of it.

Where I separate from the majority sentiment on the board is I just don't hold it against the kids like everyone else seems too, at the end of the day these kids are sacrificing their bodies to play for free, if they make a decision to put some money in their pocket even if it's not necessarily the best decision at the moment I can't be mad, because it's their life not mine.
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to LuCane's point, he might have [pure speculation at this point] cost himself some money by sitting out this year. so it could have been BOTH in his best interests and in the best interests of the team to play this year. their interests could be aligned.

of course, he could have also gotten injured and lost money, although that could have been mitigated in part by an insurance policy.
 
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Ucrazy said:
Well 1st of all, concerning the disagreeing, you gave me a disagree emoji, so to my knowledge you were disagreeing with my post, which is fine. 2ndly, these players are not playing for free, they are compensated with a scholarship/education to play for the university. No one forces tthem to do this, it is their own decision to accept this offer given to them by the university. Imo, if they leave early or bail any way shape or form, other than injury or a legitimate reason for doing so, then that said player should have their remaining scholarship pulled do to not upholding their end of the agreement to play for the university, now once again, no one forces them into this decision, they have every right/opportunity to pursue a different path in life. GR15 bailed on the university and his team for his own selfish reasons, please allow me to point out, this is my opinion only, there is no way on God's green earth I wouldn't have played with my team in a year like this. And the reason for me would be because "I WANT TO WIN" no way I sit on the side and watch my teammates play against a Clemson team when I know **** well I could contribute and help my team win. But that's an old school mentality, nowadays, the mentality is "IT'S ALL ABOUT ME" so yes, that's why I said we'll have to agree to disagree.
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That wasn't me that disagreed with your post, that was another poster Liberty City Canes, that's not me.

Look again & read closely.
 
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m-vac said:
Bandy said he did it for family reasons. It makes sense for a guy like him. I don't think he would have been able to improve his stock much, but he made a team and is making money. JT4 definitely shouldn't have left. His body wasn't NFL ready and it didn't look like it changed in preparation for camp. He's a kid who could have definitely improved his stock. Now he's not even on a roster.
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Bandy isnt even on a practice squad right now
 
Ucrazy said:
Imo, your reply echoes my post, "SELFISHNESS" with GR, you admitted the whole thing is about "MONEY" I respect your post, but I maintain that generally speaking, it is mostly selfishness, we'll just have to agree to disagree. BTW, your contribution to the board is greatly appreciated,It is human nature for every person in this world to be selfish, fans are selfish too; however, some are significantly more selfish than others.
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I hate to break it to you but players have always been "selfish." In addition, the fans are selfish, as well, and only care about their team. I don`t judge neither side for looking out for their best interest. However, I don`t agree it is mostly about players being selfish, but rather, athletes making poor business decisions. For example, Garvin, Thomas, Bandy, etc., had short term vision and were given bad advice. If you are not a senior and not projected to go before the 5th round then you should return and get your stock up. Hopefully, we see more kids returning to add value to their stock while Miami is winning more but even then I am not too confident.

Furthermore, situations like Rousseau, going early is making a smart business decision because he knows he won`t go farther than the 2nd round. The money is there and waiting. Why risk it under these circumstances? NFL won`t hold it against him this year with the insanity going on.
 
Hurracanes said:
I hate to break it to you but players have always been "selfish." In addition, the fans are selfish, as well, and only care about their team. I don`t judge neither side for looking out for their best interest. However, I don`t agree it is mostly about players being selfish, but rather, athletes making poor business decisions. For example, Garvin, Thomas, Bandy, etc., had short term vision and were given bad advice. If you are not a senior and not projected to go before the 5th round then you should return and get your stock up. Hopefully, we see more kids returning to add value to their stock while Miami is winning more but even then I am not too confident.

Furthermore, situations like Rousseau, going early is making a smart business decision because he knows he won`t go farther than the 2nd round. The money is there and waiting. Why risk it under these circumstances? NFL won`t hold it against him this year with the insanity going on.
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I just have a different mentality, but I understand your point
 
Ucrazy said:
I just have a different mentality, but I understand your point
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I agree with your points too and I do think a lot of the players attitudes towards the team and each other reflects the culture which also reflects the coaches leadership.
 
rok said:
Perfect time for him to make his collegiate debut at PR...at the stadium of the no.1 ranked team with rain in the forecast. What could possibly go wrong?

/I'm all for it
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Nah, Restrepo had a PR against FSU. He looked natural, fast, and decisive.
 
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grover said:
He looked dangerous to me. Should never have picked up that ball, IMHO.
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Maybe. He didn’t bobble it though. Regardless, we’ve seen enough Pope to know he’s a liability against Clemson. He hasn’t shown anywhere near enough upside to justify a muff and a fumble in 3 games. There’s gonna be a ton more pressure this game. I mean if he was breaking ankles, breaking tackles, or even housed one that got called back... you’d gamble on him. He isn’t worth the gamble right now. It’s time for the X-man!
 
Liberty City El said:
What exactly are we disagreeing about?

I agree that it's selfish, but I don't have a problem with it because that's just the business of the game.

The players have no choice but to lookout for themselves when it comes to their future & their career, even if it doesn't benefit the team overall.

Everything is about money, there's not a single person on this board who doesn't do & make the majority of their decisions based around money, that's just a reality of life, it's hypocritical to think college athletes shouldn't do the same.

In Rousseau's case, it wasn't even really his choice, his parents were not about to let him risk millions, I wish he would've played this year just like everybody else but I'm not gonna be mad at him or act like he did something wrong because of it.

Where I separate from the majority sentiment on the board is I just don't hold it against the kids like everyone else seems too, at the end of the day these kids are sacrificing their bodies to play for free, if they make a decision to put some money in their pocket even if it's not necessarily the best decision at the moment I can't be mad, because it's their life not mine.
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When you receive $300,000 of value from your scholarship, you're hardly playing for free.
Need to look at the marginal guys who leave early for the NFL to see if the've graduated already. If they have, they probably should go take a shot if their chances of developing further with another year of college are limited. If they haven't graduated already, only the really top end guys who will get paid significant guaranteed $ should leave.
 
TrueFloridian said:
Maybe. He didn’t bobble it though. Regardless, we’ve seen enough Pope to know he’s a liability against Clemson. He hasn’t shown anywhere near enough upside to justify a muff and a fumble in 3 games. There’s gonna be a ton more pressure this game. I mean if he was breaking ankles, breaking tackles, or even housed one that got called back... you’d gamble on him. He isn’t worth the gamble right now. It’s time for the X-man!
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We ought to find a guy who can reliably catch punts, tell no one to block in the back and just fair catch most of them. End up going backwards more often than warrants the risk.
 
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