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Deep Passes this season

I don’t think Beck is a great deep ball passer, but the bigger issue is we lacked downfield threats at receiver. Teams bracketed Toney and dared us to win with the other guys.

I suspect when he’s throwing on air at his workouts his arm will look better people than expect.
 
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I’ve said it several times on here.
The offense this year has been designed to mask the inability to throw down field consistently and or effectively.

I hate to point it out but fsu figured it out in that 4th quarter.

Play your defense in a 15 yard box and dare him to throw. All the windows were super tight.
Master screens and do some misdirection to get a dude open.

Keep hammering the a gap and see if they keep creeping up as the game goes on.

If we succeed in getting Mensah; Fletcher, Brown and Hopefully Lyle are gonna eat.
Our offense is gonna terrorize everyone if they dare us to throw.
 
pacusmc said:
I’ve said it several times on here.
The offense this year has been designed to mask the inability to throw down field consistently and or effectively.

I hate to point it out but fsu figured it out in that 4th quarter.

Play your defense in a 15 yard box and dare him to throw. All the windows were super tight.
Master screens and do some misdirection to get a dude open.

Keep hammering the a gap and see if they keep creeping up as the game goes on.

If we succeed in getting Mensah; Fletcher, Brown and Hopefully Lyle are gonna eat.
Our offense is gonna terrorize everyone if they dare us to throw.
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Lyle? Lol havent we seen enough of him. Pringle is that dude
 
There’s more to it than that. Taking the deep ball away from UM this year didn’t require a lot of effort or personnel because we didn’t have a WR who really threatens you over the top consistently. They’re coming but this season our explosive plays were largely YAC.
 
simplycanes said:
There’s more to it than that. Taking the deep ball away from UM this year didn’t require a lot of effort or personnel because we didn’t have a WR who really threatens you over the top consistently. They’re coming but this season our explosive plays were largely YAC.
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There were plays this season where the deep ball was there and he under threw it. I’m not talking about the scheme. The scheme is what it is, but when he did have the chance he either under threw it or missed a lot.
 
jtwist89 said:
He’s not someone you can trust with the game on the line. He gave it all he’s got, but it just wasn’t enough. I don’t know if the pressure just gets to him at the end of the game or what. We can and will upgrade.
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After watching a bunch of Beck film yesterday, I came to this conclusion. Dude has thrown the same pick multiple times in his career. On almost all his ints, the defender is just sitting there.

I can only think of two reasons. He either doesn’t see the defender in front or he is trying to thread the needle.
 
He took us to the natty by beating #7, #2, and #6. Cavinder and Abella. Next year when we make the CFP, Beck will be back on our sidelines at our home playoff game and he will be cheered.

But Mensah. This convo won’t be happening with him. Buddy can def push the ball downfield.
 
simplycanes said:
There’s more to it than that. Taking the deep ball away from UM this year didn’t require a lot of effort or personnel because we didn’t have a WR who really threatens you over the top consistently. They’re coming but this season our explosive plays were largely YAC.
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I've never understood this opinion.

It's rare that a WR changes how you play D. Randy Moss, maybe? Calvin Johnson?

At College and the NFL (sorry I've never watched a High School game) there are coverage busts and just flat out well-called plays that result in receivers wide open down the field.

It's almost always on the QB to a) see them and b) have the arm to hit them. Beck, unfortunately, can't do that.
 
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OldhamA said:
I've never understood this opinion.

It's rare that a WR changes how you play D. Randy Moss, maybe? Calvin Johnson?

At College and the NFL (sorry I've never watched a High School game) there are coverage busts and just flat out well-called plays that result in receivers wide open down the field.

It's almost always on the QB to a) see them and b) have the arm to hit them. Beck, unfortunately, can't do that.
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The term is consistently. Jeremiah Smith is the most visible example in current CFB. You have to play defense entirely different to account for a constant vertical threat. We do not have that guy and people took the risk and sat on routes. You will see a difference with the WR we just signed.
 
DMoney said:
I don’t think Beck is a great deep ball passer, but the bigger issue is we lacked downfield threats at receiver. Teams bracketed Toney and dared us to win with the other guys.

I suspect when he’s throwing on air at his workouts his arm will look better people than expect.
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D$ - I am not sure I track with this one.

Even if we had downfield threats (let’s use last year’s receivers and put them in place of our receivers this year), IMO the results would be similar because Beck can’t push the ball down field consistently enough.

There were plenty of times this year Toney, Marion, Daniels and even JoJo got behind the defense and Beck couldn’t make the throw.
 
Our surgical armed QB could not throw deep passes in which any team would overload the box. The lack of mobility at the helm is a joke that writes it self. . But people were saying he's legendary because of a 1 time scramble td. The bar is so low it's at the floor.
 
Cribby said:
Yes . The zip isn’t the same . But he did what was asked. I expect Mensah and the offense to be more in the middle of Beck and Cam.
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When he was asked, he was bad. Let’s take the arm strength out of it for a second and look at a few throws where he did have the arm strength.

The two most recent throws that come to mind were two missed potential TD or long gain throws to Toney in the Ole Miss game:

1) The Seam throw that he threw to the outside instead of the open middle for a TD

2) Sideline throw that he threw to the outside again instead of the inside.

Only using those right now as most recent. He hit Marion for the easy TD but that was an outlier hit.

I need to go back and look at his downfield throws from the season.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
His arm is dead. And I don't mean that literally, like he's incapable of throwing a football. Let's be adults here. But much of the juice is gone. I still think he's a really good college QB and I think he's going to play in the NFL. He's going to get paid to play the position professionally, there's no doubt about it. But, right now, he doesn't have the arm talent of the upper echelon guys. Beck is VERY accurate in the short and intermediate game, though. He actually threw a couple balls last night uncharacteristically inaccurate, but most of the time he's deadly. But it's plenty obvious the ball has far less zip on it than it did pre-injury.

Can he gain that back? No idea. But his arm is definitely lacking compared to what it was. Still a fine college player though and had a great year for us. I will forever respect him for how he played against Ohio State. That was one of the most professional and clinical games I've ever seen against a truly elite defense, and the way he put his shoulder down on that 3rd and 11 showed me all I needed to know about him as a man.

I hope he can continue to strengthen that arm because he's got everything else you need to be at least a long-tenured backup in the league and make generational money.
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Thank you. That was really well said about a true Cane named Beck!
 
simplycanes said:
There’s more to it than that. Taking the deep ball away from UM this year didn’t require a lot of effort or personnel because we didn’t have a WR who really threatens you over the top consistently. They’re coming but this season our explosive plays were largely YAC.
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We lacked speed out wide and size for that matter but there was plenty of times guys stacked the cb but Beck couldn’t get it there . His arm strength took a big hit from the elbow surgery. It was obvious from the first game.
 
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