Deep Dive into QB Stats

[jed1250]

Still eating crow on much Kosi has improved. That should let everyone know my opinion

 

[Mel Bernstein]

You really have to wonder if we win the UNC and VT games is Perry plays both of those entire games. Not sure it would have mattered with Florida.

 

[252cane]

You really have to wonder if we win the UNC and VT games is Perry plays both of those entire games. Not sure it would have mattered with Florida.

I think we beat uf with perry. Unc they might have still loss. They started slow but jarren was good in the 2nd half. VT i think they win with perry.

 

[Atlcane_72]

People act like Jarren ain’t never made people miss in the pocket. Yes he needs to be a more willing runner because he’s capable of doing it but is he physically able to do it? For sure. He’s not some **** statue and after the uf game his pocket presence improved vs unc. With cmu he got sack on two unavoidable plays given up by Zion at the end of the first half and the other 2 he held the ball too long on that 2nd sack When the safety happened.
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But is he turning it into big plays OR big yard sacks and/or fumbles?

 

[brock]

But is he turning it into big plays OR big yard sacks and/or fumbles?

Of course not ever play or like the one we seen Perry do when he avoided the rush and threw a 39 yard pass to Thomas vs ga tech but he’s had a few good plays on the run.
Late 2nd quarter before the half he had a first down run vs uf which is the drive Brevin Jordan scored his td,

had a 18 yard run late from the pocket vs unc on the last drive to pick up a first down.Escaped pressure and threw a good pass to Hightower on the sideline that game but it was dropped and

Had a good run vs va tech the last game he played in.

Despite being under backside pressure I felt Like this was a great ball from Williams .

 

[Andrew]

This is according to Manny Navaro.

Even with 3 ints Jarren ranks 21st nationally in QBR. His 71.8 CMP ranks 7th in FBS qbs. Kosi hasn't thrown enough passes to qualify for nationally QBR standings, but has a 150.2 QBR in the ACC. Which is better than Jamie Newsome, Trevor Lawerence, and Perkins. Kosi has 60.7 CMP with 683 yards and 6 TD and 1 INT.

One are where Kosi is better than Jarren is on 3rd downs. Kosi ranks 2nd in the ACC in 3rd down QBR. He’s 11-14 with 133 yards and 1 TD. He picked up seven 1st down on those 11 completions. While Jarren is ranked 16th in ACC. Jarren is 13-23 for 89 yards with 3 INT on 3rd down. He’s only picked up four 1st down on his 23 pass attempts.

Jarren is better in the redzone. He ranks 10 out of 25 qualified qb in QBR. He’s 10-16 for 69 yards with 4 TD. Also with a 181.23 QBR. Kosi is rank 15th. He’s 5-13 for 52 yards with 4 TD and 1 INT.

Kosi is better in the 4th Quarter. His 173.11 QBR is ranks 7th in the ACC. He’s 25-37 for 347 yards with 3 TD. He has 16 first down in his 37 pass attempts. He also completed 10 passes for 15 yards or more. While Jarren is ranked 16th in QBR in the ACC. He’s 12-23 for 120 yards with 1 TD. Only 7 first down in his 23 pass attempts. Also 4 passes completed for 15 yard or more.

I think everyone would agree that they have seen some good things out of Kosi, but his sample size this season is too small to consider statistically significant.

 

[tdjones34]

Jarren is not a qb, I know some people put everything they had in him being our qb of the future, be is bad.
No idea what anybody sees in his play to think he is anything but a backup qb

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

I think everyone would agree that they have seen some good things out of Kosi, but his sample size this season is too small to consider statistically significant.

If you look at the win/loss column, don't you think 5-2 is statistically significant? I think he's 4-2 against P5, and he is only really responsible for 1 loss (2018 UVA). He brought Miami back from 28 down to give us the lead. I know it's cliche, but that's the only number that matters. Perry has never played a full 4 quarters and taken a loss. QBs are strange creatures. Sometimes teams respond better to one guy. I think they rally around Perry (led two massive comebacks- FSU and VT).

 

[MIATL]

If you look at the win/loss column, don't you think 5-2 is statistically significant? I think he's 4-2 against P5, and he is only really responsible for 1 loss (2018 UVA). He brought Miami back from 28 down to give us the lead. I know it's cliche, but that's the only number that matters. Perry has never played a full 4 quarters and taken a loss. QBs are strange creatures. Sometimes teams respond better to one guy. I think they rally around Perry (led two massive comebacks- FSU and VT).

Not sure you’re wrong.

One QB looks and acts the part, including completion percentage, but doesn’t win enough.
The other doesn’t look the part, including his actual physical characteristics, but he wins more.

I’ll take the wins.

 

[ToiletWater]

We don’t have to stick with anyone at this point. At the end of the day we have had 9 sacks with Perry at the qb the last 2 games too which is the same average sack rate Jarren has had per game. Whoever the guy is going foward enos and Diaz need to put them in best position to succeed formation wise and personnel wise by taking Zion out of the lineup at left tackle and putting scaife over there. Try Campbell/Herbert at right tackle or something..

Williams is your classic drive killer. And leave points on the field QB.

He simply does not make the plays when needed.

 

[mdpcane]

We don’t have to stick with anyone at this point. At the end of the day we have had 9 sacks with Perry at the qb the last 2 games too which is the same average sack rate Jarren has had per game. Whoever the guy is going foward enos and Diaz need to put them in best position to succeed formation wise and personnel wise by taking Zion out of the lineup at left tackle and putting scaife over there. Try Campbell/Herbert at right tackle or something..

at this point we have seen enough. take Zion out and stick a ******* helmet on Sebastian and put his *** at LT .

 

[ToiletWater]

People act like Jarren ain’t never made people miss in the pocket. Yes he needs to be a more willing runner because he’s capable of doing it but is he physically able to do it? For sure. He’s not some **** statue and after the uf game his pocket presence improved vs unc. With cmu he got sack on two unavoidable plays given up by Zion at the end of the first half and the other 2 he held the ball too long on that 2nd sack When the safety happened.
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He does not extend the play

 

[Andrew]

If you look at the win/loss column, don't you think 5-2 is statistically significant? I think he's 4-2 against P5, and he is only really responsible for 1 loss (2018 UVA). He brought Miami back from 28 down to give us the lead. I know it's cliche, but that's the only number that matters. Perry has never played a full 4 quarters and taken a loss. QBs are strange creatures. Sometimes teams respond better to one guy. I think they rally around Perry (led two massive comebacks- FSU and VT).

No, it wouldn't be statistically significant. All of the variables have changed from last year and you can't assume that Williams wouldn't have won some of those games. You also can't assume that Perry is the lone difference-maker in those games. I think a better argument would be that with a different staff you can't assume Perry is the same as last year in terms of decision making.

The one positive I see in Perry is that his completion percentage is up 10% from last year. He needs more passes for it to statistically significant, but so far the results have been fairly consistent. (59% or more in 3 games)

 

[kryptonite]

Dude, don't you think the LT would have been yanked by now? dUh

And believe or not. Perry has THEE FACTOR. Or is it MOXY! So yes, Perry is THEE ONE to lead Miami to the promise land in 19', at least for the time being.

Nevertheless your chico, Manny, will name JW starter. I just hope Miami wins by more than 14 points on Saturday. Because if not, the Hurricane Civil War between Quarterbacks will escalate come Saturn evening! If U Know What I Mean.

I can assure you that nobody knows what you mean.

 

[caneworld]

This season is shot... just play them both for the rest of the games. Winner stays. The other will transfer anyway.

 

[Salt]

So disregard Kosi stats?

No, but take it for what it is. Needs more reps to determine if this is not some outlier. That said you I think you ride the hot hand with N"Kosi or if you start Jarren you keep him on a very short leash.

 

[loeTed92]

No, but take it for what it is. Needs more reps to determine if this is not some outlier. That said you I think you ride the hot hand with N"Kosi or if you start Jarren you keep him on a very short leash.

Stats is what it is. People use completion percentage as the only determining factor on this board. They use stats when it’s convenient. When Kosi has a better stat, it’s a small sample size. Kosi & Jarren is solid and not the issue on offense.

 

[The Franchise]

Not sure you’re wrong.

One QB looks and acts the part, including completion percentage, but doesn’t win enough.
The other doesn’t look the part, including his actual physical characteristics, but he wins more.

I’ll take the wins.

Jarren didn’t win in HS either. That’s something to be wary of. Usually a great QB wins in HS.

I love Jarren’s accuracy, but there are some things Perry definitely does better.

 

[moshated305]

Of course not ever play or like the one we seen Perry do when he avoided the rush and threw a 39 yard pass to Thomas vs ga tech but he’s had a few good plays on the run.
Late 2nd quarter before the half he had a first down run vs uf which is the drive Brevin Jordan scored his td,

had a 18 yard run late from the pocket vs unc on the last drive to pick up a first down.Escaped pressure and threw a good pass to Hightower on the sideline that game but it was dropped and

Had a good run vs va tech the last game he played in.

Despite being under backside pressure I felt Like this was a great ball from Williams .

Two things from that clip. First, Zion poor Zion. Staff thinks this is helping him but I think it will kill his confidence more and he's developing bad habits. Second, Brevin tackled himself. Looked like that could have been an even bigger play but he just fell down.

 

[NorthEastCane]

Any Hurricane could see Perry was a Cool Customer on the game winning TD drive against a staunch defense!

Nonetheless, my third-eye tells me that Manny will go back to JW.

You mean kind of like Williams did in the UNC game.

Oh, I forgot, Williams also gave up 4th and 17. My bad.