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Hstokes1447 said:
What was your grade on Michael Jackson going into the 2017 season?

As a sophomore in the 2016 season, he played in 12 games had 7 tackles 1 pass breakup and 1 fumble recovery.

Did you think he would have a breakout year in 2017 putting up 43 tackles, 4 interceptions, and 5 pass breakups? Did you see a 4th round draft pick in him after that 2016 season?
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Damari Brown doesn't have the same skillset & physical capabilities as Mike Jack did.

All the hype & expectations people have for Damari is based on absolutely nothing but HS ranking & simply because he played at AH. The reality is, he has a lot of limitations that will be difficult for him to overcome overall. That's why Guidry is playing him at Nickel & not Boundary, he doesn't have the footwork or the speed to play Outside & cover consistently downfield to play on an Island.

They're putting him in the same spot as Te'Cory Couch, what does that tell you?
 
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Memnon said:
Damari Brown doesn't have the same skillset & physical capabilities as Mike Jack did.

All the hype & expectations people have for Damari is based on absolutely nothing but HS ranking & simply because he played at AH. The reality is, he has a lot of limitations that will be difficult for him to overcome overall. That's why Guidry is playing him at Nickel & not Boundary, he doesn't have the footwork or the speed to play Outside & cover consistently downfield to play on an Island.

They're putting him in the same spot as Te'Cory Couch, what does that tell you?
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I am not comparing Brown to Mike Jack at all. I understand that he has limitations that will not allow him to excel on the outside.

My question is could being developed by Coach Jackson turn guys like D'Yoni Hill, Robert Stafford, OJ Frederique and Ryan Mack (who all appear that have the preferred athletic profile to play outside) into top 4 round draft picks. Because this is the "depth at CB" not Damari Brown, he is a Nickel and as I stated in the OP "Looks like the numbers are there, with the exception of the nickel position"
 
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Hstokes1447 said:
I vividly remember people talking about Redwine's slow high school 40, I think he ran a 4.7 and how he would never be any good here.
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Didn’t Redwine start out as a CB and moved to safety after his sophomore year? As a CB most thought he was a jag.

His skills seemed to be more suited to safety . He really benefited from the move.
Hstokes1447 said:
Funny how development works and most importantly coaching continuity. That group of Redwine, Mike Jackson, and Jaquan Johnson, got to play for the same defensive coordinator in Danny Miaz from their sophomore season until they graduated.
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Hstokes1447 said:
I am not comparing Brown to Mike Jack at all. I understand that he has limitations that will not allow him to exceed on the outside.

My question is could being developed by Coach Jackson turn guys like D'Yoni Hill, Robert Stafford, OJ Frederique and Ryan Mack (who all appear that have the preferred athletic profile to play outside) into top 4 round draft picks. Because this is the "depth at CB" not Damari Brown, he is a Nickel and as I stated in the OP "Looks like the numbers are there, with the exception of the nickel position"
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You didn't ask me but I think the answer to your question is Yes. I think coach Jackson will be instrumental in developing with CB room.
 
That’s a scary looking group and not in a good way. DB recruiting has been an absolute joke. Hopefully Jackson is worth a **** and can get something out the young guys because they’ll need to play early and often. Should’ve hit the portal even harder for DBs especially CBs. DL and LBs are going to need to carry this defense.
 
Memnon said:
Daryl Porter Jr
D'Yoni Hill
Are the NFL caliber Corners.

D Brown has to have an astronomical rise over the next 2 seasons to have anything higher than a Day 3 grade.
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Interesting because I haven’t heard anything about hill and being a starter. I also haven’t read any on the camp reports outside of the board here and there.
 
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Memnon said:
Damari Brown doesn't have the same skillset & physical capabilities as Mike Jack did.

All the hype & expectations people have for Damari is based on absolutely nothing but HS ranking & simply because he played at AH. The reality is, he has a lot of limitations that will be difficult for him to overcome overall. That's why Guidry is playing him at Nickel & not Boundary, he doesn't have the footwork or the speed to play Outside & cover consistently downfield to play on an Island.

They're putting him in the same spot as Te'Cory Couch, what does that tell you?
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I bought into the Damari hype (I think part of it was copium with what was going on with Cormani as well)

I saw a couple of clips of him in drills last year where I thought it was one of our young linebackers and it turned out to be Damari. He didn’t move like you expect to see a top ranked CB.

Not sure how he ends up, we certainly need him this year, but I was surprised given all I had heard about him.
 
Ideal roster at 85 scholarships when running a 4-2-5 you want to have at least 16 DBs.

That could be 8 CBs and 8 Safeties and cross training guys to play Nickel/Star or it could be 7 CBs and 7 Safeties and then 2 designated Stars. However you want to do it. 8-10 should be "ready to play" meaning 3rd year and above, 2nd year guys that contributed the prior year, or high-end true freshman. The other 6 are likely freshman or 2nd year or maybe changing a position and need development (like Stafford).

Think we're just a little short and I think there's a lot of dead weight in the DB room. Will Isaiah Taylor factor in? Thomas is out this year. Hard to see Day, Frederique, and Mack contributing early as true freshman. Maybe in our cupcakes and then at the backend of the year. Not against UF, VT, Cal, UL, and FSU. Now look at the depth. Concerning.
 
Is Dyoni Hill hurt? On the Through The Smoke podcast, they said the top 4 is DPJ, Damari, Jadais and OJ
 
Memnon said:
Damari Brown doesn't have the same skillset & physical capabilities as Mike Jack did.

All the hype & expectations people have for Damari is based on absolutely nothing but HS ranking & simply because he played at AH. The reality is, he has a lot of limitations that will be difficult for him to overcome overall. That's why Guidry is playing him at Nickel & not Boundary, he doesn't have the footwork or the speed to play Outside & cover consistently downfield to play on an Island.

They're putting him in the same spot as Te'Cory Couch, what does that tell you?
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All the hype & expectations are based on nothing? Name 3 true freshman CB’s to start multiple games for Miami in the last 10 years as outside corners. Blades started a few games in the slot as a freshman really only guy who comes to mind.

Also what are the limitations? Maybe he doesn’t have world class speed but he’s 6’2 200+ already he’s more of a physically guy anyway who will win with power over speed in press
 
I will be watching Damari closely this season. The staff thinks he is a for sure NFL talent. I know last week Porter said, Damari is a 1st RD talent, all world, and All American type player. I would say that's pushing it a little. We need these guys to step up.
 
Canesbro31 said:
All the hype & expectations are based on nothing? Name 3 true freshman CB’s to start multiple games for Miami in the last 10 years as outside corners. Blades started a few games in the slot as a freshman really only guy who comes to mind.

Also what are the limitations? Maybe he doesn’t have world class speed but he’s 6’2 200+ already he’s more of a physically guy anyway who will win with power over speed in press
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He started those games last year because both DPJ & JDavis got hurt. He also didn't play well in those games either, so I'm not sure how much it matters that he started.

I've already explained the limitations numerous times.
 
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Memnon said:
Damari Brown doesn't have the same skillset & physical capabilities as Mike Jack did.

All the hype & expectations people have for Damari is based on absolutely nothing but HS ranking & simply because he played at AH. The reality is, he has a lot of limitations that will be difficult for him to overcome overall. That's why Guidry is playing him at Nickel & not Boundary, he doesn't have the footwork or the speed to play Outside & cover consistently downfield to play on an Island.

They're putting him in the same spot as Te'Cory Couch, what does that tell you?
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I still think the biggest mistake they made was passing on a few dbs in the portal to placate him
 
Canesbro31 said:
An astronomical rise? He started 3 or 4 games as a true freshman at corner. I’d say with his talent and already having been thrown into the fire so young he’s already on pace to be a day 2 pick.
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Maybe "astronomical" is a bit too strong, but I largely agree with @Memnon here.

Damari Brown is a nearly finished athletic product, and that's a large part of the reason he played so much as a True.

He has good (but not great) speed and has good length. His technique isn't weak in any area, but he doesn't excel at anything either.

Unless there is a major jump, round 5 is his likely ceiling, and playing 4 years instead of 3 won't help. If he stays healthy, he leaves after three years and goes in round 5 is my prediction.
 
Memnon said:
Damari Brown doesn't have the same skillset & physical capabilities as Mike Jack did.

All the hype & expectations people have for Damari is based on absolutely nothing but HS ranking & simply because he played at AH. The reality is, he has a lot of limitations that will be difficult for him to overcome overall. That's why Guidry is playing him at Nickel & not Boundary, he doesn't have the footwork or the speed to play Outside & cover consistently downfield to play on an Island.

They're putting him in the same spot as Te'Cory Couch, what does that tell you?
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I hadn't read this before my.last post but looks like we're on the same page.
 
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