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Dawson is fed up with the inside run talk

JHallCanes said:
I don’t know why we don’t do this with Lyle honestly. I don’t expect Dawson to be Kyle Shanahan but SF does all their work inside the tackles.

They use the pitch play to keep the defense honest and it often works very well beyond just giving them something to think about

You really don’t think getting Mauigoa and Cooper moving out in space with Lyle behind them couldn’t be a huge play potentially?
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Not going to lie I just think this isn’t a good play at all. So pull the tackle and tight end, are we assuming the frontside DE crashes or we just outrunning him? If the backers or nickel or whoever’s out there doing their job and playing contain like they should it still funnels right to the chasing end. Not saying there aren’t plays to get outside better I just think this was a bad example.
 
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Gee, I wonder why anyone could possibly think a run up the middle yet again might not be the smartest decision.
 

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We all have eyes. I don't care what Dawson says the run play call was supposed to be, my eyes tell me the RBS get the ball with eyes straight ahead. Is he letting us draw the conclusion that THEY are ******** up the play? The OL sure doesn't look like the run is supposed to go anywhere else - that is other than those three consecutive plays in the 3rd Q

I think his demeanor and response took everyone by surprise yesterday. No one had the presence of mind to make the question more direct or mention other ways to get the ball to the outside.

I'll give that maybe this isn't all Dawson's idea . I'll consider this is Mario and Mirabal.... It's too bad a few of the press there yesterday didn't have an agreement to ask consecutive, pointed questions. There's a way to do it in a respectful way...
 
hurricaneman said:
I'm just gonna tell you, Fletcher has been doing that his ENTIRE career at Miami. The first time I ever noticed was his freshman year against FSU. This play was just mind boggling to me. The last image is right before Fletcher cuts BACK towards the safety. Emory's finger and arm is up because right at the moment he knows Fletcher is going to the house the run. Except he doesn't. The play starts at 1:06:10. It's even worse live.

I love Fletcher. I do. But he is very, very limited when it comes to anything past 15 yards. I don't understand what he's trying to do.



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Immediately thought about this after the play on Saturday.
 
Canezhill21 said:
Not going to lie I just think this isn’t a good play at all. So pull the tackle and tight end, are we assuming the frontside DE crashes or we just outrunning him? If the backers or nickel or whoever’s out there doing their job and playing contain like they should it still funnels right to the chasing end. Not saying there aren’t plays to get outside better I just think this was a bad example.
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Totally fair. That was me getting ahead of myself on a general thought. I’m not pounding the desk saying “run the pitch” or anything just pointing out you can run an offense in between the tackle and use small wrinkles to be “innovative”

No one really uses a toss play anymore for a reason. A little bit of eye candy has gone a long way in this offense from what I’ve seen. I think we rely on the screen too much to be that mix up. I don’t dislike screens or running the ball up the middle on principle.
 
P-Tizzle said:
no, but thanks for jumping in. Following the thread of responses all the way to its inception, the argument is Mario is not a good coach and Miami will never be anything except a little bit more than average team in the ACC under his leadership. My argument is people don't use equal weights and measures with Mario vs other head coaches. Let's be real: Kiffin hasn't even sniffed a national championship. Not even close. He's never finished in the top 8 of any poll.

CFP Rankings

2024 #14 (Miami was #13 btw)
2023: #11 (four team playoff)
2022: not in top 25
2021: #8 (Oregon w/ Mario #14)
2020: not in top 25 (Oregon finished #25)
2019: Kiffin not ranked; Oregon with Mario #6
2018: Kiffin not ranked; Oregon w/ Mario unranked

Mario is CLEARLY not a great coach. ****, we all know that. And we all know Kiffin isn't a GREAT coach. But really, how much better of a coach is he than Mario? If whatever the difference is, that's what we want? I'll pass.
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Last season Ole Miss was famously upset by Kentucky.

Up until that game, Lane Kiffin had won 26 consecutive games as a double-digit favorite, including all 21 at Ole Miss.

Cristobal is tied with Kalen DeBoer and High Freeze for the most outright losses (5) as a double-digit favorite in the last four years.
the difference is that when a Kiffin team is a double digit favorite, chances of an upset are nearly zero.

Do you think that is an irrelevant statistic? I don’t.

I think the W/L record when a double digit favorite is a good indicator of whether a HC can get his players to approach every game with the same intensity, regardless of the opponents record.
 
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Handsome Squidbum said:
Last season Ole Miss was famously upset by Kentucky.

Up until that game, Lane Kiffin had won 26 consecutive games as a double-digit favorite, including all 21 at Ole Miss.

Cristobal is tied with Kalen DeBoer and High Freeze for the most outright losses (5) as a double-digit favorite in the last four years.
the difference is that when a Kiffin team is a double digit favorite, chances of an upset are nearly zero.

Do you think that is an irrelevant statistic? I don’t.

I think the W/L record when a double digit favorite is a good indicator of whether a HC can get his players to approach every game with the same intensity, regardless of the opponents record.
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Again, the argument isn't about Mario; it's about Kiffin.
What has Kiffin won? The playoffs were expanded last year. Ole Miss finished behind Miami (i.e., they didn't get in). What is Kiffin's record in the CFP? Good coaches put teams in playoffs, is that fair?
 
Handsome Squidbum said:
Gee, I wonder why anyone could possibly think a run up the middle yet again might not be the smartest decision
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We do outnumber in the box, I see an easy 6 yards on our RT and Bauman takes the edge with the WR and you let your RB take a DB 1v1.
What's wrong?

They're alignment is junk, they're all jammed between 4 and 40 technique, they're basically allowing us to run off tackle and bounce is outside after you break the OS (see Lyle's run)
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
This is where I think we get into trouble though and play the result.

Did we not "take our foot off the pedal" (whatever that really means) ?

We scored on a 3 yard drive to make the score 21-7 with about 3 minutes left in the 4th quarter. I think for all intents and purposes, against that team, the game is over, but it's only a 14 point game with a whole quarter to go, so you can't just kneel the ball (refrain from Mario/GT jokes, please).

We force a turnover, and get the ball on the Stanford 45. We proceed to run the ball 4 times, score, and basically end the game. Basically the same thing as against FSU when everyone killed the staff for shutting things down, except against this team, you can get 12 a carry late in a game, against FSU you cannot.

Not saying you said anything wrong, I just think the mob mentality here plays the result far too much. What if Fletcher fumbles? What if we get stuffed on one of those runs and it's 2nd and 12 instead of getting 4 straight first downs? Then Dawson is a clown, Mario is a caveman, we went into a shell, blah blah blah.

For the record, I'd have done the same **** thing Dawson did. 12 yards, run it again. 10 yards, run it again. 16 yards, run it again. 7 yards, touchdown, go home. But this place focuses on the result and not the process. If we get a hold on one of those plays, and the drive stalls, the coaches are braindead ********. But since we scored in 4 plays, we "didn't take our foot off the gas".
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I would say, for this year’s offense we stayed aggressive. After that pick when it was 21-7 we went no huddle. Yeah we ran it four times but I’m not going to argue if you’re getting 9-10 yards per carry. We also went with tempo late in the game when the backups were in. It was only a few plays but anything is better than the absolute crawl we usually play at. Btw, I think the incredibly slow pace is not helping Beck get into any kind of rhythm
 
hurricaneman said:
I'm just gonna tell you, Fletcher has been doing that his ENTIRE career at Miami. The first time I ever noticed was his freshman year against FSU. This play was just mind boggling to me. The last image is right before Fletcher cuts BACK towards the safety. Emory's finger and arm is up because right at the moment he knows Fletcher is going to the house the run. Except he doesn't. The play starts at 1:06:10. It's even worse live.

I love Fletcher. I do. But he is very, very limited when it comes to anything past 15 yards. I don't understand what he's trying to do.



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I mean I've been saying this a long time lol. Fletcher is literally a short yardage + Goalline back. That's it. He is bad as a receiver too.

He's been out best RB this year. But that's because we are choosing to have an inept run scheme that only a short yardage back can get 3-5 yards in. It's like we are designing our run game based on Mark Fletchers strengths almost.
 
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P-Tizzle said:
That 1997 Hurricanes team with those players that went to the NFL were:

1998 9-4 (ranked 20th)
1999 9-4 (ranked 15th)
2000 11-1 (ranked 2nd). Which is probably the best team to never play for a national championship.

Now do Kiffin and his USC team full of NFL players. Hold on, I got you.

10-2
7-6
fired.

Do you see the difference? Miami got better (although they were under sanctions) whereas USC got worse and their coach (Kiffin) got fired.

Now, what you got?
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Not so fast my friend, Butch Davis got substantially worse before he got better

1995 8-3 (1st in the conference)
1996 9-3 (1st in the conference)
1997 5-6 ( no bowl game)
Then he went on to build the greatest roster in CFB history. So if USC gives Lane more time, he could have righted that ship.
 
Hurricane23 said:
Not so fast my friend, Butch Davis got substantially worse before he got better

1995 8-3 (1st in the conference)
1996 9-3 (1st in the conference)
1997 5-6 ( no bowl game)
Then he went on to build the greatest roster in CFB history. So if USC gives Lane more time, he could have righted that ship.
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Probably not at that point in his life. He is definitely better now than he was then. We all hopefully get better at our profession in the prime of our careers. Hopefully holds true for Mario since you know he is the coach of the Miami Hurricanes.
 
TOcane said:
Probably not at that point in his life. He is definitely better now than he was then. We all hopefully get better at our profession in the prime of our careers. Hopefully holds true for Mario since you know he is the coach of the Miami Hurricanes.
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I'm a Miami fan, so I absolutely hope that Mario succeeds, because it means Miami succeeds, but Mario sure is making this harder than it has to be.
 
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