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ZuCrew said:
Noooo, you just don’t seem to understand and are undervaluing the importance of a good S&C coaching staff. They develop the players to be able to do those things. I’d thise players are fat slow and weak, it doesn’t matter what scheme or what kind of ability they have(always exceptions) if they can’t hang. Yes, they coaches drill the players sure, but this coaches primary goal isn’t to physically develop players at that point, that’s the S&C’a job. It’s why players typically don’t get faster or stronger in season. That’s done in the preseason. Another way to look at it is take James Toney. Probably one of the most naturally gifted fighters of the modern era. He was born to box. He can outbox lesser opponents and even better ones on sheer ability alone. However, later on in his career his fat *** was never in shape. Had he been, he’d be a household name. So yes, they have a high impact on the outcome of games.
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James Toney was not one of the most naturally gifted fighters of the modern era and him being fat had NOTHING to do with his losses. Do you not follow boxing at all? The guy was pushing 40 by the time he got "fat". When he first moved up to HW to fight Evander he was not fat. That is what happens when you are nearing 40 and are fighting as a HQ at 5'9.5. You think he lost to peter and lebedev because he was out of shape? LMFAO.

You think he would have been a household name had he not gotten fat at close to 40? LMFAO.
 
CashMoneyCane said:
No, I'm not.

First, your comparisons to boxing are ludicrous, as it's an individual sport.

Second, you take S&C Coach A vs. S&C Coach B. They do things differently, but both incorporate proper lifting and cardio regimens. In the absence of the same nutritional regimen, you can't compare the two. And I guarantee a guy from Temple doesn't have the same resources from a nutrition standpoint as a guy from Ohio State.

Then, you look at the big picture. Practice, 1-on-1's, all the stuff that happens on the field and not in the weight room, but impacts S&C to a crazy degree, and has little if nothing to do with the S&C Coach.

Now you're gonna tell me because S&C A prefers pyramid sets and S&C B prefers alternating lifting light, mid and heavy, that one approach is going to make that much difference over the other?

The answer is no.
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No. My boxing comparison isn’t luscious because I’m wasn’t comparing the actual sport vs what it takes to be elite in those sports in addition to ability which is training ie strength and conditioning. Practice, 1 on 1 drills are impacted by the condition of the players. If you’re players can get through the drills, what good are they? Lastly, conditioning styles and approaches to strengthening are extremely important because some are functional and some aren’t. How one person trains you from another can mostly definitely determine wether you win or lose. In addition to playing football, I took up boxing afterwards and had different trainers that had different approaches so I know from first hand experience how different methods affect how your body does thing in the ring and on the field.
 
AK_Cane said:
S&C coach is the most important hire a staff can make. They spend the most amount of time with the kids. This is a very underwhelming hire, what's the point of getting rid of Felder when you're just replacing him with a guy who's experience is just as bad
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S&C is an extremely important hire. I like his personality, intensity, communication and interpersonal skills. If he knows what it takes to be a truly elite athlete (at the college HOF and NFL all pro levels), I think he will do very well at Miami. He should spend a considerable amount of time with elite former Canes in the NFL and pick their brains extensively.
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
James Toney was not one of the most naturally gifted fighters of the modern era and him being fat had NOTHING to do with his losses. Do you not follow boxing at all? The guy was pushing 40 by the time he got "fat". When he first moved up to HW to fight Evander he was not fat. That is what happens when you are nearing 40 and are fighting as a HQ at 5'9.5. You think he lost to peter and lebedev because he was out of shape? LMFAO.

You think he would have been a household name had he not gotten fat at close to 40? LMFAO.
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I was wondering when you were going to stalk me today. Do you Following boxing? It’s one of my favorite sports. Best fight I ever saw was Floyd beat the pants off Diego Corrales (rip) while Diego came into the fight 20 lbs heavier. Any aside form James Toney being one of my favorite fighters, Freddie Roach even said James was the most naturally gifted fighter he ever saw. Like, before you jump in please know what you’re talking about. You do know James at one point in his career was in the same weight class as Floyd Mayweather right? James also fought, Roy Jones, and John Ruiz(which he had look silly). Over his career, James had to keep going up in weight because he couldn’t keep in shape. It wasn’t towards the end of his career, it was a gradual process which culminated into him being a heavyweight. His height? You know Mike Tyson wasn’t much taller right? Like...do you know anything about boxing or you still upset about the previous night and thought this might be your chance?
 
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hoops156 said:
ok kiddo. why dont you do some history on FIU as a program before Mario got there.
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I don’t have to. The program started in 2002 when I graduated high school. I know a lot about the program actually. Followed it because it was a new local program so I know how horrid it was prior to Mario and what he did...Was that it?
 
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ZuCrew said:
I was wondering when you were going to talk me today. Do you? Following boxing? It’s one of my favorite sports. Best fight I ever saw was Floyd beat the pants off Diego Corrales (rip) while Diego came into the fight 20 lbs heavier. Any aside form James Toney being one of my favorite fighters, Freddie Roach even said James was the most naturally gifted fighter he ever saw. Like, before you jump in please know what you’re talking about. You do know James at one point in his career was in the same weight class as Floyd Mayweather right? James also fought, Roy Jones, and John Ruiz(which he had look silly). Over his career, James had to keep going up in weight because he couldn’t keep in shape. It wasn’t towards the end of his career, it was a gradual process which culminated into him being a heavyweight. Like...do you know anything about boxing or you still upset about the previous night and thought this might be your chance?
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We have spoken ONCE in my entire time at CIS. Why where you waiting for me to speak with you?

Ya....That is not what Roach said. roach said he was the most talented fighter he ever WORKED with. Anyone that knows boxing knows Roy Jones jr. is far and away the most talented fighter of recent. Others more gifted than Toney are Naseem Hamed, Tyson, Whitaker, Sugar ray leonard, Zab Judah, etc.

Yes Toney was as big when he was an amateur as Mayweather was at his heaviest. LMAO. Toney started his pro career at Middle weight. Mayweathers heaviest fight was at light middle.

No Toney did not go up in weight because he couldn't keep in shape. Early in his career he said his goal was to be the HW champ. Fighters move up in class ALL the time. Did pacquiao move up all those classes because he couldn't keep in shape?

James NEVER got fan until around the rahman fight and that was when he was pushing 40. You know as much about boxing as you do being a health care administrator. I will make sure I never send my parents to live in your assisted living facility.
 
What makes the whining in this instance all the more hilarious is two weeks ago the HERD members couldn't name one Strength & Conditioning Coach. Yet, today they are world-renowned experts in the S&C area, beacuse that gives them one more target to attack and complain about. Absolutely F'ing hilarious!!

It has just been verified that Jack LaLanne has been named the University of Miami's new Strength & Conditioning Coach.
 
CashMoneyCane said:
It should give confidence that we're saving money to spend where we need it -- a top-notch OC and staff. We're getting the defense on the cheap (including Diaz, who I haven't heard, but doubt is getting paid what Richt was), so there's money for the offense.

I also just have a feeling, there are going to be some key hires in analysis and support roles.
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Alabama pays next to nothing for analysts. It's a remedial program for coaches trying to rehab their careers.
 
Earnest T. Bass said:
What makes the whining in this instance all the more hilarious is two weeks ago the HERD members couldn't name one Strength & Conditioning Coach. Yet, today they are world-renowned experts in the S&C area, beacuse that gives them one more target to attack and complain about. Absolutely F'ing hilarious!!

It has just been verified that Jack LaLanne has been named the University of Miami's new Strength & Conditioning Coach.
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To go along with new OC Saban, Lou Saban.
 
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OriginalGatorHater said:
We have spoken ONCE in my entire time at CIS. Why where you waiting for me to speak with you?

Ya....That is not what Roach said. roach said he was the most talented fighter he ever WORKED with. Anyone that knows boxing knows Roy Jones jr. is far and away the most talented fighter of recent. Others more gifted than Toney are Naseem Hamed, Tyson, Whitaker, Sugar ray leonard, Zab Judah, etc.

Yes Toney was as big when he was an amateur as Mayweather was at his heaviest. LMAO. Toney started his pro career at Middle weight. Mayweathers heaviest fight was at light middle.

No Toney did not go up in weight because he couldn't keep in shape. Early in his career he said his goal was to be the HW champ. Fighters move up in class ALL the time. Did pacquiao move up all those classes because he couldn't keep in shape?

James NEVER got fan until around the rahman fight and that was when he was pushing 40. You know as much about boxing as you do being a health care administrator. I will make sure I never send my parents to live in your assisted living facility.
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Oooh my goodness..James Toney was ONE of the most NATURALLY gifted fighters ever period. Not comparitive to all of the greats but one. He consistently ranks as one of the ripe defensive fighters of all time.

Fighters move up all the time when it’s hard for them to make weight. It’s anybody Andre Ward went to light heavyweight because it was getting harder to make weight at
OriginalGatorHater said:
We have spoken ONCE in my entire time at CIS. Why where you waiting for me to speak with you?

Ya....That is not what Roach said. roach said he was the most talented fighter he ever WORKED with. Anyone that knows boxing knows Roy Jones jr. is far and away the most talented fighter of recent. Others more gifted than Toney are Naseem Hamed, Tyson, Whitaker, Sugar ray leonard, Zab Judah, etc.

Yes Toney was as big when he was an amateur as Mayweather was at his heaviest. LMAO. Toney started his pro career at Middle weight. Mayweathers heaviest fight was at light middle.

No Toney did not go up in weight because he couldn't keep in shape. Early in his career he said his goal was to be the HW champ. Fighters move up in class ALL the time. Did pacquiao move up all those classes because he couldn't keep in shape?

James NEVER got fan until around the rahman fight and that was when he was pushing 40. You know as much about boxing as you do being a health care administrator. I will make sure I never send my parents to live in your assisted living facility.
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Toney was ONE of the best naturally talented fighters. Not comparative to other greats but one. That’s why he consistanly ranked as one of the top defensive fighters by anyone that actually knows boxing. Fighters moved up ALL the time when they can’t make weight. It’s why Andre Ward moved up to light heavy because he was having trouble making super middle after the super six tournament and that long lay off...

Dude just stop.. you’re not fooling anyone. Maybe tomorrow will be a better day for you.
 
ZuCrew said:
Oooh my goodness..James Toney was ONE of the most NATURALLY gifted fighters ever period. Not comparitive to all of the greats but one. He consistently ranks as one of the ripe defensive fighters of all time.

Fighters move up all the time when it’s hard for them to make weight. It’s anybody Andre Ward went to light heavyweight because it was getting harder to make weight at


Toney was ONE of the best naturally talented fighters. Not comparative to other greats but one. That’s why he consistanly ranked as one of the top defensive fighters by anyone that actually knows boxing. Fighters moved up ALL the time when they can’t make weight. It’s why Andre Ward moved up to light heavy because he was having trouble making super middle after the super six tournament and that long lay off...

Dude just stop.. you’re not fooling anyone. Maybe tomorrow will be a better day for you.
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I agree Toney is very very very gifted, but to say he is one of the most makes it sound like you have him in your top 10 most gifted. I would definetly have him in my top 25 though. Either way that is irrelevant to the discussion.

You need to stop talking out of your ***. Ward moved up because he cleaned out the super middle weight division after he DOMINATED the super 6 and then handled the remaining stragglers at super middleweight. After the super 6 he continued to fight at Super middleweight and only had a 9 month layoff before he fought barrerra at LHW. MOST of the big name fighters that move up in weight class do it because their is no one else left to fight in their current weight class or because they want to win more weight class belts.

You really are digging your heels in after getting owned. However, after you got shredded last night and refused to admit defeat I wouldn't expect you to do that here.

Your Toney example was god awful. You used a guy that got fat when he almost 40 and moved up in weight class purely because that was his dream since he was a kid. If you want to use a good example you should have used Odlanier Solis. That man had all the talent in the world but refused to stay in shape and that was his downfall in boxing.
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
I agree Toney is very very very gifted, but to say he is one of the most makes it sound like you have him in your top 10 most gifted. I would definetly have him in my top 25 though. Either way that is irrelevant to the discussion.

You need to stop talking out of your ***. Ward moved up because he cleaned out the super middle weight division after he DOMINATED the super 6 and then handled the remaining stragglers at super middleweight. After the super 6 he continued to fight at Super middleweight and only had a 9 month layoff before he fought barrerra at LHW. MOST of the big name fighters that move up in weight class do it because their is no one else left to fight in their current weight class or because they want to win more weight class belts.

You really are digging your heels in after getting owned. However, after you got shredded last night and refused to admit defeat I wouldn't expect you to do that here.

Your Toney example was god awful. You used a guy that got fat when he almost 40 and moved up in weight class purely because that was his dream since he was a kid. If you want to use a good example you should have used Odlanier Solis. That man had all the talent in the world but refused to stay in shape and that was his downfall in boxing.
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Andre Ward literally said, it was getting harder to make the weight. Out of is own mouth. You probably also think Prince Naseem Hammed was a good fight too.
 
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