Dave Aranda: Great DC Or Cool Ranch Doritos?

[LuCane]

It was the same said about dorito

But he didn't perform like Aranda and he didn't do it at a P5 program. So this was NOT the same.

Not saying they the same just saying the same was said, im not a big fan of aranada his style does remind me of doritos, a little more aggressive but same concepts

But they're results are different. Correct?

Well do you like that style? Werent yall begging for a aggressive scheme?

Aranda's 3-4 front is played differently.

 

[blackvern]

like i siad I dont trust 3-4 on a acollege level not enough time or practices to fully utilize correctly give me 4-3 all day

 

[blackvern]

But he didn't perform like Aranda and he didn't do it at a P5 program. So this was NOT the same.

Not saying they the same just saying the same was said, im not a big fan of aranada his style does remind me of doritos, a little more aggressive but same concepts

But they're results are different. Correct?

Well do you like that style? Werent yall begging for a aggressive scheme?

Aranda's 3-4 front is played differently.

Those numbers dont prove it does

 

[fivecent]

Does anyone know if Aranda's overall scheme rely on a particular position group for success?

 

[IndayArtHauz]

like i siad I dont trust 3-4 on a acollege level not enough time or practices to fully utilize correctly give me 4-3 all day

While I've long thought this is a critical distinction when comparing what works in the League and what works in CFB, I don't think that it automatically rules out 3-4, *1-gap* success.

 

[KCcane]

B/C he's white and lord knows white folks are nerdy and bad at football.......right?

Yeah and that Luke Kuechly fella is terrible too.

Both of you missed the point and I challenge you to further the discussion from a substantive standpoint, as I answered inpost #49 . It has nothing to do with white, black or blue. It has to do with a preference for what kind of attributes.

FullyERicht, disappointed in your ****ty response.

I have already responded many times in this thread about the OP. I am still waiting for someone to tell me a DC other than Kirby Smart at Alabama that has had a Top 15 defense for 4 straight years or Top 10 for the last 3 years, which no one has other than Aranda. He runs an aggressive 3-4 1 gap style defense which has been over 100 times. What type of players do you think you are going to get to play in Madison, WI? Smart and studious or southern savage? He does the best with what he has.

I have no idea why you're coming at me as if I'm insulting your wife (Aranda). I'm not against him. I know what kind of 3-4 he runs and I corrected the OP in my response immediately. I'm here to discuss and dig into anything about the potential coach. I mentioned the *one thing* that gave me pause in something I read last week.

I'm hesitant about a coach who prefers the type of player - regardless of color, which is a ****ty and cheap angle to the discussion - who has the ability to process information very quickly. You can grab a couple of those guys on your defense who also have the requisite athleticism. However, my comment was to wonder aloud if Aranda's style/preference requires 11 guys who can do it. I don't believe that is sustainable.

I didn't believe it for D'Ono. Now, maybe Aranda does things differently. Considering his comment about Borland and knowing the type of player he was, it merited discussion.

I'm not coming at you in any way. I just responded about Chris Borland. Bobby Wagner played for him at Utah State and is a great player for the Seahawks. Ed Reed and Jon Vilma were smart as well as being great athletes.

These are from his players.
"It's just an attack-style defense," Schobert said. "Trying to get after the quarterback, get the offense in situations where they have to drop back and make some pass plays and then be able to dial up pressures from anywhere on the field."

But what separates Aranda, say former coaches and current players, is his ability to not only understand complicated defensive concepts but also to disseminate that information in easily digestible bites so his teams can excel. The Professor wouldn't be a professor, after all, without the capacity to teach.

"He's really good at that," Badgers linebacker Marcus Trotter said. "It's kind of ridiculous. He'll be really good at explaining things. But then, I'm pretty sure he remembers everything he does in life. He'll be like, 'Hey what was play 65 against Nebraska? Remember that play, Marcus?' I'm like, 'Yeah, I think so.' He'll be like, 'Oh no, it's play 64.' He's good at relating other things we've done and relating even how different the defenses are, bringing it all together and making it really simple for us."

He's been like a mastermind when it comes to schemes, knowing all that stuff," said Badgers safety Michael Caputo, who leads Wisconsin this year with 64 tackles. "He puts us in the best positions to make plays, really. He knows our talents and our skill levels, and he puts us in spots to be able to make plays within our limits."


I just think he gets the best out of the players he has and fits his scheme to what he has to work with. That is what is important in a great coach because one size does not fit all.

 

[Consigliere]

It was the same said about dorito

But he didn't perform like Aranda and he didn't do it at a P5 program. So this was NOT the same.

Not saying they the same just saying the same was said, im not a big fan of aranada his style does remind me of doritos, a little more aggressive but same concepts

But they're results are different. Correct?

Well do you like that style? Werent yall begging for a aggressive scheme?

A. His scheme is different (i.e. the lineman).

B. You're porst is still wrong ("It was the same said about dorito"), as the results are different.

 

[LuCane]

Yeah and that Luke Kuechly fella is terrible too.

Both of you missed the point and I challenge you to further the discussion from a substantive standpoint, as I answered inpost #49 . It has nothing to do with white, black or blue. It has to do with a preference for what kind of attributes.

FullyERicht, disappointed in your ****ty response.

I have already responded many times in this thread about the OP. I am still waiting for someone to tell me a DC other than Kirby Smart at Alabama that has had a Top 15 defense for 4 straight years or Top 10 for the last 3 years, which no one has other than Aranda. He runs an aggressive 3-4 1 gap style defense which has been over 100 times. What type of players do you think you are going to get to play in Madison, WI? Smart and studious or southern savage? He does the best with what he has.

I have no idea why you're coming at me as if I'm insulting your wife (Aranda). I'm not against him. I know what kind of 3-4 he runs and I corrected the OP in my response immediately. I'm here to discuss and dig into anything about the potential coach. I mentioned the *one thing* that gave me pause in something I read last week.

I'm hesitant about a coach who prefers the type of player - regardless of color, which is a ****ty and cheap angle to the discussion - who has the ability to process information very quickly. You can grab a couple of those guys on your defense who also have the requisite athleticism. However, my comment was to wonder aloud if Aranda's style/preference requires 11 guys who can do it. I don't believe that is sustainable.

I didn't believe it for D'Ono. Now, maybe Aranda does things differently. Considering his comment about Borland and knowing the type of player he was, it merited discussion.

I'm not coming at you in any way. I just responded about Chris Borland. Bobby Wagner played for him at Utah State and is a great player for the Seahawks. Ed Reed and Jon Vilma were smart as well as being great athletes.

These are from his players.
"It's just an attack-style defense," Schobert said. "Trying to get after the quarterback, get the offense in situations where they have to drop back and make some pass plays and then be able to dial up pressures from anywhere on the field."

But what separates Aranda, say former coaches and current players, is his ability to not only understand complicated defensive concepts but also to disseminate that information in easily digestible bites so his teams can excel. The Professor wouldn't be a professor, after all, without the capacity to teach.

"He's really good at that," Badgers linebacker Marcus Trotter said. "It's kind of ridiculous. He'll be really good at explaining things. But then, I'm pretty sure he remembers everything he does in life. He'll be like, 'Hey what was play 65 against Nebraska? Remember that play, Marcus?' I'm like, 'Yeah, I think so.' He'll be like, 'Oh no, it's play 64.' He's good at relating other things we've done and relating even how different the defenses are, bringing it all together and making it really simple for us."

He's been like a mastermind when it comes to schemes, knowing all that stuff," said Badgers safety Michael Caputo, who leads Wisconsin this year with 64 tackles. "He puts us in the best positions to make plays, really. He knows our talents and our skill levels, and he puts us in spots to be able to make plays within our limits."


I just think he gets the best out of the players he has and fits his scheme to what he has to work with. That is what is important in a great coach because one size does not fit all.

Yes, there are plenty of examples of great athletes who are also great at processing. Almost all of those guys do very well at the next level. I'm also aware of Aranda being considered a smart guy who understands complex concepts. None of that, however, really answers to what a coach prefers in terms of player attributes. If what you're telling me is that he prefers 11 Chris Borlands at Wisconsin because that's the best combination of attributes he can consistently access for his defense, I can accept that.

I heard a lot about how D'Ono was a really smart defensive coordinator and Xs and Os guy and, while he preferred 11 Jaiquawn Jarretts (ended up an NFL player from Temple), he would adjust his scheme once he got access to those types of players. I think it's completely fair to dig into the details. Especially for those of us who have only watched Wisconsin a few times and know general details about Aranda.

I appreciate the example you provided of players saying that Aranda made it really simple. That's a critical distinction from what we've seen here.

 

[LuCane]

Does anyone know if Aranda's overall scheme rely on a particular position group for success?

From early readings, it sounds like the emphasis is on his LBs.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

I encourage you to read this with an open mind. Many of you have pegged him as our next DC and have begun shoveling coal into the hype train. I don't watch Wisconsin football because I don't hate myself, but I did some digging into the stats his unit has been putting up and a few things have me worried.

Yes, on the surface his three seasons at Wisconsin are impressive. He's averaged the 7th total defense and has a top 10 scoring defense in the country during his stint there. But a lot of stats make me wonder if his philosophy is the attacking aggressive style we seek, or if we're looking directly down the bag of a Deluxe Dorito.

Here are some categories I expect a violent, aggressive, play-making defense to rank highly in, along with Wisconsin's average ranking in that category under Aranda.

Interceptions - 90th
Sacks - 52nd
Tackles for loss - 72nd


I'm left to wonder if he's not just a very good version of the late snack chip Mark D'Onofrio. At Wisconsin, Aranda does a good job keeping yards and points to a minimum. He runs a 3-4, his players are all borderline obese, and its mostly white kids from up north. They do a good job of holding opponents to low yardage, and he's also done well when it comes to keeping points off the board.

But in stats of aggression - creating turnovers, getting to the QB, living in the backfield, causing disruption plays, etc -- they're pretty bad. Does he have the mindset needed to recruit, create, and implement the savage attacking style of defense that made Miami famous? Can he handle the transition from overalls to dreads?

I'm not so sure.

He doesn't run a passive 3-4 comparable to what we've seen here. Beyond that, I think this a good thread with a potential to look deeper into what he does. The first thing I'd look at is pace of play. Specifically, how many plays teams average against his defense. His defensive numbers get an artificial boost because of those, probably. At the same time, those categories you highlighted also get an artificial tick down.

His defenses produced a bunch of turnovers in Hawaii. Then struggled at times with turnovers at Utah State.

Here's the one thing I read about him at some point last week that gave me some pause:

"You like to have 11 Chris Borlands." Chris Borland is known as a smart, studious player. Not sure how to interpret that and haven't watched Wisconsin enough to give context.

Just from his brief time as a 49er, it meant he performed on a level that mitigated the loss of Willis and so many others. Was extremely excited about his future. Some people have brought up Stanford in this thread, and in the 49ers scheme under Harbaugh Borland was fantastic.

See post #49 . It wasn't a knock on Chris Borland. It's discussion on what attributes a coach prefers or has a tendency to value. I prefer college coaches to do the majority of the assignment and play processing and allow athletes to go.

Borland was an outstanding college player. He was also absolutely tearing it up after Willis went down in 2014. His retirement shocked everybody. Borland played Mike so you want to have a really smart kid there. As for your comment about D'Onofrio, I've never seen low IQ defense like the one he coached. Much of it was his fault.

 

[Miami82]

Fullyericht, so WTH just expressed my sentiments. What's your reply?

You kinda sold me on aranda but WTH got me thinking again.

Hard not to sign with vern too. We shall see.

Where he fails in his assessment is in the idea that his players are "fat" or "bloated". His front is entirely about speed not size.

His front is, size wise, almost identical to MSU's 4-3 over.

Your post is horrendously inaccurate.


Arthur Goldberg, DE - 300 lbs. Shaped like a penguin

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Conor Sheey, DE - 280 lbs. Shaped like a ******* Aunt.

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Jake Keefer, DE - 275 lbs. Looks like a 40-year-old mailman.
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LMAO look at these dudes. Let's compare.




Shaq Callhoun, DE - 250 lbs. Will kill your family.
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Lawrence Thomas, DT - 300 lbs. Lean muscle. Will eat your food and change your channel.
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Malik McDowell, DT - 275 lbs. Unlike Wisconsin's DL keeps his spare tire in his trunk, not on his waist
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Demetrius Cooper, DE - 250 lbs. Looks like a Miami Hurricane DE should
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Didn't we just have a DC who loves fat, pudgy, smart unathletic players?

Thats some of the funniest lines I've read in a while. Great job WTH.

 

[fivecent]

Does anyone know if Aranda's overall scheme rely on a particular position group for success?

From early readings, it sounds like the emphasis is on his LBs.

Good. As long as he likes them somewhat light, but plenty fast, LBs we got.

 

[LuCane]

I encourage you to read this with an open mind. Many of you have pegged him as our next DC and have begun shoveling coal into the hype train. I don't watch Wisconsin football because I don't hate myself, but I did some digging into the stats his unit has been putting up and a few things have me worried.

Yes, on the surface his three seasons at Wisconsin are impressive. He's averaged the 7th total defense and has a top 10 scoring defense in the country during his stint there. But a lot of stats make me wonder if his philosophy is the attacking aggressive style we seek, or if we're looking directly down the bag of a Deluxe Dorito.

Here are some categories I expect a violent, aggressive, play-making defense to rank highly in, along with Wisconsin's average ranking in that category under Aranda.

Interceptions - 90th
Sacks - 52nd
Tackles for loss - 72nd


I'm left to wonder if he's not just a very good version of the late snack chip Mark D'Onofrio. At Wisconsin, Aranda does a good job keeping yards and points to a minimum. He runs a 3-4, his players are all borderline obese, and its mostly white kids from up north. They do a good job of holding opponents to low yardage, and he's also done well when it comes to keeping points off the board.

But in stats of aggression - creating turnovers, getting to the QB, living in the backfield, causing disruption plays, etc -- they're pretty bad. Does he have the mindset needed to recruit, create, and implement the savage attacking style of defense that made Miami famous? Can he handle the transition from overalls to dreads?

I'm not so sure.

He doesn't run a passive 3-4 comparable to what we've seen here. Beyond that, I think this a good thread with a potential to look deeper into what he does. The first thing I'd look at is pace of play. Specifically, how many plays teams average against his defense. His defensive numbers get an artificial boost because of those, probably. At the same time, those categories you highlighted also get an artificial tick down.

His defenses produced a bunch of turnovers in Hawaii. Then struggled at times with turnovers at Utah State.

Here's the one thing I read about him at some point last week that gave me some pause:

"You like to have 11 Chris Borlands." Chris Borland is known as a smart, studious player. Not sure how to interpret that and haven't watched Wisconsin enough to give context.

Just from his brief time as a 49er, it meant he performed on a level that mitigated the loss of Willis and so many others. Was extremely excited about his future. Some people have brought up Stanford in this thread, and in the 49ers scheme under Harbaugh Borland was fantastic.

See post #49 . It wasn't a knock on Chris Borland. It's discussion on what attributes a coach prefers or has a tendency to value. I prefer college coaches to do the majority of the assignment and play processing and allow athletes to go.

Borland was an outstanding college player. He was also absolutely tearing it up after Willis went down in 2014. His retirement shocked everybody. Borland played Mike so you want to have a really smart kid there. As for your comment about D'Onofrio, I've never seen low IQ defense like the one he coached. Much of it was his fault.

For the 3rd time, my post was not a knock on Borland and not sure why people are throwing his accolades my way. It was a comment about coaching preferences regarding certain attributes. It's a question about what a coach values and priorities.

 

[DiegoCane]

I like Aranda but I thought Richt said he wanted to go back to the attacking 4-3 D Miami was known for?

 

[LuCane]

I like Aranda but I thought Richt said he wanted to go back to the attacking 4-3 D Miami was known for?

From what I'm reading, Aranda's 3-4 is run like a 4-3 Over defense, which is actually a decent fit for our current personnel.

 

[KANE]

Richt said that the front was gonna be for his DC to decide, but he did say that he prefers a 4-3. LuCane speaks the truth.

 

[Canezum5]

Fullyericht, so WTH just expressed my sentiments. What's your reply?

You kinda sold me on aranda but WTH got me thinking again.

Hard not to sign with vern too. We shall see.

Where he fails in his assessment is in the idea that his players are "fat" or "bloated". His front is entirely about speed not size.

His front is, size wise, almost identical to MSU's 4-3 over.

Your post is horrendously inaccurate.


Arthur Goldberg, DE - 300 lbs. Shaped like a penguin

View attachment 34625



Conor Sheey, DE - 280 lbs. Shaped like a ******* Aunt.

View attachment 34626



Jake Keefer, DE - 275 lbs. Looks like a 40-year-old mailman.
View attachment 34627


View attachment 34628


LMAO look at these dudes. Let's compare.




Shaq Callhoun, DE - 250 lbs. Will kill your family.
View attachment 34629



Lawrence Thomas, DT - 300 lbs. Lean muscle. Will eat your food and change your channel.
View attachment 34630



Malik McDowell, DT - 275 lbs. Unlike Wisconsin's DL keeps his spare tire in his trunk, not on his waist
View attachment 34631


Demetrius Cooper, DE - 250 lbs. Looks like a Miami Hurricane DE should
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Didn't we just have a DC who loves fat, pudgy, smart unathletic players?

Def, waiting on a rebuttal....... Great points being made here

 

[Pentagon Cane]

He doesn't run a passive 3

But one can infer that you were implying it was an either/or. Athleticism versus smart, heady. Why can't it be both? I'd take 11 Chris Borlands or 11 Denzel Perrymans who are always in position or at least the overwhelming majority of the time.

 

[Bigtip]

do not want

 

[Pentagon Cane]

But he didn't perform like Aranda and he didn't do it at a P5 program. So this was NOT the same.

Not saying they the same just saying the same was said, im not a big fan of aranada his style does remind me of doritos, a little more aggressive but same concepts

But they're results are different. Correct?

Well do you like that style? Werent yall begging for a aggressive scheme?

But one can infer that you were implying it was an either/or. Athleticism versus smart, heady. Why can't it be both? I'd take 11 Chris Borlands or 11 Denzel Perrymans who are always in position or at least the overwhelming majority of the time.