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Dave Aranda: Great DC Or Cool Ranch Doritos?

Pentagon Cane said:
LuCane said:
cane since birth said:
Consigliere said:
cane since birth said:
Not saying they the same just saying the same was said, im not a big fan of aranada his style does remind me of doritos, a little more aggressive but same concepts
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But they're results are different. Correct?
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Well do you like that style? Werent yall begging for a aggressive scheme?
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But one can infer that you were implying it was an either/or. Athleticism versus smart, heady. Why can't it be both? I'd take 11 Chris Borlands or 11 Denzel Perrymans who are always in position or at least the overwhelming majority of the time.
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Not sure what you did with my quote, but I mentioned in actual post that there are examples of both.
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"Conor Sheey, DE - 280 lbs. Shaped like a ******* Aunt."

Didn't we just get rid of one of those a few months back?
 
CaneFan79 said:
"Conor Sheey, DE - 280 lbs. Shaped like a ******* Aunt."

Didn't we just get rid of one of those a few months back?
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Actually he is the NT not DE. And he left off one of the starters on the line just to make his point I guess. This is Chikwe Obasih starting DE 6'3 268lbs.
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0% chance that Richt hired Kuligowski to play a passive style defense.

If Aranda is the real deal, then he'll adjust to the talent. I think Richt has heard (and already knew) that Miami, under Golden/Dorito, had been failing miserably to fit square pegs into round holes.

We will attack QBs regardless of who the DC is - book it.
 
WhatTheHell said:
FullyERicht said:
Canezum5 said:
Fullyericht, so WTH just expressed my sentiments. What's your reply?

You kinda sold me on aranda but WTH got me thinking again.

Hard not to sign with vern too. We shall see.
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Where he fails in his assessment is in the idea that his players are "fat" or "bloated". His front is entirely about speed not size.

His front is, size wise, almost identical to MSU's 4-3 over.
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Your post is horrendously inaccurate.


Arthur Goldberg, DE - 300 lbs. Shaped like a penguin

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Conor Sheey, DE - 280 lbs. Shaped like a ******* Aunt.

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Jake Keefer, DE - 275 lbs. Looks like a 40-year-old mailman.
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LMAO look at these dudes. Let's compare.




Shaq Callhoun, DE - 250 lbs. Will kill your family.
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Lawrence Thomas, DT - 300 lbs. Lean muscle. Will eat your food and change your channel.
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Malik McDowell, DT - 275 lbs. Unlike Wisconsin's DL keeps his spare tire in his trunk, not on his waist
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Demetrius Cooper, DE - 250 lbs. Looks like a Miami Hurricane DE should
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Didn't we just have a DC who loves fat, pudgy, smart unathletic players?
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Funniest post in a long time. Good ****.
 
He's a well regarded coordinator, but I don't think he fits, especially when it comes to who we just hired as a defensive line coach and his scheme doesn't really fit with the types of kids South Florida develops throughout Optimist and High School. He's constantly running 2-3 down linemen that require them to occupy blockers.

Kuligowski has had units with four down linemen that constantly attack and shoot gaps. South Florida produces defensive linemen that just fire away. Aranda's defense is predicated off his second level players firing away. Well regarded and it works with what he's got in Wisconsin, but I question what he'd do here in Miami.
 
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LuCane said:
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LuCane said:
WhatTheHell said:
I encourage you to read this with an open mind. Many of you have pegged him as our next DC and have begun shoveling coal into the hype train. I don't watch Wisconsin football because I don't hate myself, but I did some digging into the stats his unit has been putting up and a few things have me worried.

Yes, on the surface his three seasons at Wisconsin are impressive. He's averaged the 7th total defense and has a top 10 scoring defense in the country during his stint there. But a lot of stats make me wonder if his philosophy is the attacking aggressive style we seek, or if we're looking directly down the bag of a Deluxe Dorito.

Here are some categories I expect a violent, aggressive, play-making defense to rank highly in, along with Wisconsin's average ranking in that category under Aranda.

Interceptions - 90th
Sacks - 52nd
Tackles for loss - 72nd


I'm left to wonder if he's not just a very good version of the late snack chip Mark D'Onofrio. At Wisconsin, Aranda does a good job keeping yards and points to a minimum. He runs a 3-4, his players are all borderline obese, and its mostly white kids from up north. They do a good job of holding opponents to low yardage, and he's also done well when it comes to keeping points off the board.

But in stats of aggression - creating turnovers, getting to the QB, living in the backfield, causing disruption plays, etc -- they're pretty bad. Does he have the mindset needed to recruit, create, and implement the savage attacking style of defense that made Miami famous? Can he handle the transition from overalls to dreads?

I'm not so sure.
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He doesn't run a passive 3-4 comparable to what we've seen here. Beyond that, I think this a good thread with a potential to look deeper into what he does. The first thing I'd look at is pace of play. Specifically, how many plays teams average against his defense. His defensive numbers get an artificial boost because of those, probably. At the same time, those categories you highlighted also get an artificial tick down.

His defenses produced a bunch of turnovers in Hawaii. Then struggled at times with turnovers at Utah State.

Here's the one thing I read about him at some point last week that gave me some pause:

"You like to have 11 Chris Borlands." Chris Borland is known as a smart, studious player. Not sure how to interpret that and haven't watched Wisconsin enough to give context.
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He was a third round pick and one of the top rookies in the nfl before he retired unexpectedly. All that retirement **** aside why the **** wouldn't you want 11 players like that?
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It wasn't a knock on Chris Borland. I think you missed the point. Borland did very well partly because of his ability to process and from the mental aspect of the game. It's one of the key attributes sought by D'Ono. The pause is caused because we don't want guys to have to process too much. Like I said earlier in the same post you quoted, though, Aranda doesn't run the same 3-4 we saw.

I just would prefer to move away from the preference for "smart, studious, info processing players." A select few great ones can combine the mental with the physical. In college, my preference is to go with athletes who have a lot of the processing done for them by the coaching staff and through scheme. It's easier and more sustainable as a defense over time. Especially one with our access to athletes.
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Did he say, "I want 11 Borlands because he was so smart and could decipher my complicated defense" or did you just assume that that was the reason he wanted 11 Borlands? Perhaps, he wanted 11 Borlands because Borland was a great football player who played like a bat out of ****.
 
Everything I've read about his D is its very multiple with fronts and very aggressive . That sounds nothing like a Doritos D.

I'd advise some of you guys to google his scheme, it's far from a bend but don't break that we've seen.
 
WhatTheHell said:
They do a good job of holding opponents to low yardage, and he's also done well when it comes to keeping points off the board.

But in stats of aggression - creating turnovers, getting to the QB, living in the backfield, causing disruption plays, etc -- they're pretty bad. Does he have the mindset needed to recruit, create, and implement the savage attacking style of defense that made Miami famous? Can he handle the transition from overalls to dreads?
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Are games decided by who gets the most TFL? Aranda's defenses are basically elite-level in terms of keeping opponents off the scoreboard, and also keeping them from marching up and down the field.
 
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When Aranda came to Wisconsin, he wanted a defense that was not only stout but one that could utilize quickness and pressure. He implemented a 3-4 defense instead of the 4-3 scheme the team had used for years. It has taken time, but he now has players that fit his system, and perhaps there is no better example than outside linebackers Biegel and Joe Schobert. Together, they lead the team in tackles for loss with 15, the most by any linebacker duo in the country.

"It's just an attack-style defense," Schobert said. "Trying to get after the quarterback, get the offense in situations where they have to drop back and make some pass plays and then be able to dial up pressures from anywhere on the field."

(On Aranda) "A guy that's truly detailed in his preparation and yet doesn't stop there. It's in his communication with the players. It's not what we know as coaches, it's what your players know. I think our players have confidence in him."
 
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