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Dana White repping

AtlAtty said:
From a purely legal standpoint, a person can defend themselves in a “like-kind manner” which basically means they can respond in kind to the violence used against them. So slap=slap, punch=punch. And any threat of death can be responded to equally. so if someone comes at you with a knife, you can shoot them as both weapons could cause death.

But you know there are often factors beyond this in a domestic situation because there is almost always history. It’s not the exact same thing as someone hits you at the bar and you hit them back.
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this. also if you claim self defense, the burden of proof is flipped.
 
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BS85 said:
Is his wife also not a good person?
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Are you seriously asking if a woman who is a victim of domestic violence in her marriage is a good person?

I will give you the benefit of the doubt here and choose to believe that you mean well so that I can provide you some education. The phenomenon that you witnessed when Dana's wife hit him is a very common occurrence called reactive abuse.

"Reactive abuse occurs when someone who is experiencing ongoing abuse responds to their abuser with behaviors that may appear aggressive, confrontational, or harmful. These reactions are often preceded by prolonged verbal, emotional, psychological, or physical torment that leave the victim feeling cornered or powerless.

These reactions can then be used by the abuser to shift blame, distort the narrative, and paint the victim as the aggressor in an incredibly complicated form of gaslighting." (https://greenecountyfamilyjusticecenter.org/what-is-reactive-abuse/)

Reactive abuse makes it even more difficult for the victim to get the help that they need, and that is why an abuser such as Dana White loves to utilize this tactic in public so often.

However, when you see this happening, it is very important to remember that the victim is acting is self-defense - even if you witness them physically acting first.

"The victim’s response is an involuntary reaction caused by the cumulative trauma they have been experiencing over time and comes from a place of extreme frustration or self-defense.

Whether the abuse is physical, emotional, or sexual, it causes deep fear and stress and puts the victim on high alert.

When the victim senses danger, the brain releases stress hormones that help the body defend against the threat.

This is known as a “stress response” or “trauma response,” which is more commonly called a “fight, freeze, flight or fawn response.”

In other words, the victim’s natural response is for their body to prepare to freeze, flee, fight back, or appease their abuser, especially when they perceive a threat to their safety or freedom.

Recurring trauma has harmful effects on one’s mind and body." (https://themendproject.com/reactive-abuse/)

This phenomenon is also very common with children in domestic violence situations. They will become violent towards the parent(s) or caregiver(s) that are abusing them, and unfortunately the child gets labeled as a "bad" kid, which only makes the situation worse because the child internalizes that label.

One last thing...in case you are not aware, domestic abuse is not just physical. Types of abuse include physical, emotional, sexual, financial, stalking (both online and physical), reproductive coercion, and more. Most victims experience most or all from their abuser. The abuse is designed to break down the victim completely and make them 100% reliant on their abuser. So when people don't understand why the victim won't just leave, that is why. The abuser has made it pretty much impossible for the victim to leave, or to leave without severe consequences to them or to their loved ones.

Now, perhaps the wife is not a good person for other reasons. I do not know anything about the wife, her life, or what she has done to advance the good of society. But I know enough about domestic violence to know that this is not her fault, and she was a long-term victim of her husband and was trapped for a long time. Him being a rich, powerful man in the public eye certainly made it even more difficult. Thank God she finally got out, because it is not easy, and she has scars for sure. I do hope she is getting help to heal.

Edit: I guess they are still married. Oops. Well, I still hope she is healing and that she gets out some day.
 
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AtlAtty said:
This is not how domestic violence works. What you saw was a public display of people who have previously engaged in violent conduct towards each other in private. They both should have been charged with assault. But the actions of one do not justify the other. Your mom’s advice is appropriate for women because they are much more likely to be seriously injured in a violent confrontation with a man. But that same advice should not be given to a man whereby he now thinks that hitting a woman can be justified if she puts her hands on you.

I prosecuted the cases for years. People who act like White, and his wife, have a much bigger problem. And being drunk is no excuse.

I know you are trying to take a reasoned approach but what you are missing is that this is not an isolated event. This is the only event you witnessed between them.
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correct 100%.
 
caneingville said:
Are you seriously asking if a woman who is a victim of domestic violence in her marriage is a good person?

I will give you the benefit of the doubt here and choose to believe that you mean well so that I can provide you some education. The phenomenon that you witnessed when Dana's wife hit him is a very common occurrence called reactive abuse.

"Reactive abuse occurs when someone who is experiencing ongoing abuse responds to their abuser with behaviors that may appear aggressive, confrontational, or harmful. These reactions are often preceded by prolonged verbal, emotional, psychological, or physical torment that leave the victim feeling cornered or powerless.

These reactions can then be used by the abuser to shift blame, distort the narrative, and paint the victim as the aggressor in an incredibly complicated form of gaslighting." (https://greenecountyfamilyjusticecenter.org/what-is-reactive-abuse/)

Reactive abuse makes it even more difficult for the victim to get the help that they need, and that is why an abuser such as Dana White loves to utilize this tactic in public so often.

However, when you see this happening, it is very important to remember that the victim is acting is self-defense - even if you witness them physically acting first.

"The victim’s response is an involuntary reaction caused by the cumulative trauma they have been experiencing over time and comes from a place of extreme frustration or self-defense.

Whether the abuse is physical, emotional, or sexual, it causes deep fear and stress and puts the victim on high alert.

When the victim senses danger, the brain releases stress hormones that help the body defend against the threat.

This is known as a “stress response” or “trauma response,” which is more commonly called a “fight, freeze, flight or fawn response.”

In other words, the victim’s natural response is for their body to prepare to freeze, flee, fight back, or appease their abuser, especially when they perceive a threat to their safety or freedom.

Recurring trauma has harmful effects on one’s mind and body." (https://themendproject.com/reactive-abuse/)

This phenomenon is also very common with children in domestic violence situations. They will become violent towards the parent(s) or caregiver(s) that are abusing them, and unfortunately the child gets labeled as a "bad" kid, which only makes the situation worse because the child internalizes that label.

One last thing...in case you are not aware, domestic abuse is not just physical. Types of abuse include physical, emotional, sexual, financial, stalking (both online and physical), reproductive coercion, and more. Most victims experience most or all from their abuser. The abuse is designed to break down the victim completely and make them 100% reliant on their abuser. So when people don't understand why the victim won't just leave, that is why. The abuser has made it pretty much impossible for the victim to leave, or to leave without severe consequences to them or to their loved ones.

Now, perhaps the wife is not a good person for other reasons. I do not know anything about the wife, her life, or what she has done to advance the good of society. But I know enough about domestic violence to know that this is not her fault, and she was a long-term victim of her husband and was trapped for a long time. Him being a rich, powerful man in the public eye certainly made it even more difficult. Thank God she finally got out, because it is not easy, and she has scars for sure. I do hope she is getting help to heal.
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Textbook explanation.

But in defense of CIS posters, people who have never experienced domestic violence, or worked in the field, typically don’t know what you so beautifully explained. But the way to combat ignorance is education, and it could not be better written or explained than this.

I sincerely thank you,
 
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AtlAtty said:
Textbook explanation.

But in defense of CIS posters, people who have never experienced domestic violence, or worked in the field, typically don’t know what you so beautifully explained. But the way to combat ignorance is education, and it could not be better written or explained than this.

I sincerely thank you,
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Thank you for appreciating it. :)
 
What are yall talking about in here? Lol! I thought this was a conversation about DW hopefully cutting us a nice check for the NIL fund and you guys are talking about the intricacies of domestic violence! And didn’t that happen like 5 years ago? **** him and his wife probably had 1000 rounds of makeup *** since then.
 
Jassid82 said:
What are yall talking about in here? Lol! I thought this was a conversation about DW hopefully cutting us a nice check for the NIL fund and you guys are talking about the intricacies of domestic violence! And didn’t that happen like 5 years ago? **** him and his wife probably had 1000 rounds of makeup *** since then.
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that greedy and cheap ******* isnt giving us a dime.
 
rsa coral gables said:
i'm wondering if most of the people on here, who are men, have mothers, wives and sisters?

what the **** is wrong with you guys:?
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I'm so grateful the women in my family was raised to know if you put your hands on ANY humen, expect to get worse treatment. No one is entitled to give you the same or "fair" treatment.
 
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Am I missing something or did she not literally hit him first in the video?
 
5XNC said:
He’s not a good person because of this incident? Are there other incidents or examples of behavior that don’t make him a good person?
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White is a flawed person like everyone else. I’m a huge fan of the ufc. I wish that organization took better care of their fighters (athletes). In the nfl, mlb, and nba, the athletes get close to 50% of the revenue their tv deals bring in. The ufc roster gets paid absolute peanuts and usually the people fighting have to take on multiple jobs to support their trainers and coaches and families.

I’d respect Dana a lot more as a person if he paid the fighters better
 
caneingville said:
Are you seriously asking if a woman who is a victim of domestic violence in her marriage is a good person?

I will give you the benefit of the doubt here and choose to believe that you mean well so that I can provide you some education. The phenomenon that you witnessed when Dana's wife hit him is a very common occurrence called reactive abuse.

"Reactive abuse occurs when someone who is experiencing ongoing abuse responds to their abuser with behaviors that may appear aggressive, confrontational, or harmful. These reactions are often preceded by prolonged verbal, emotional, psychological, or physical torment that leave the victim feeling cornered or powerless.

These reactions can then be used by the abuser to shift blame, distort the narrative, and paint the victim as the aggressor in an incredibly complicated form of gaslighting." (https://greenecountyfamilyjusticecenter.org/what-is-reactive-abuse/)

Reactive abuse makes it even more difficult for the victim to get the help that they need, and that is why an abuser such as Dana White loves to utilize this tactic in public so often.

However, when you see this happening, it is very important to remember that the victim is acting is self-defense - even if you witness them physically acting first.

"The victim’s response is an involuntary reaction caused by the cumulative trauma they have been experiencing over time and comes from a place of extreme frustration or self-defense.

Whether the abuse is physical, emotional, or sexual, it causes deep fear and stress and puts the victim on high alert.

When the victim senses danger, the brain releases stress hormones that help the body defend against the threat.

This is known as a “stress response” or “trauma response,” which is more commonly called a “fight, freeze, flight or fawn response.”

In other words, the victim’s natural response is for their body to prepare to freeze, flee, fight back, or appease their abuser, especially when they perceive a threat to their safety or freedom.

Recurring trauma has harmful effects on one’s mind and body." (https://themendproject.com/reactive-abuse/)

This phenomenon is also very common with children in domestic violence situations. They will become violent towards the parent(s) or caregiver(s) that are abusing them, and unfortunately the child gets labeled as a "bad" kid, which only makes the situation worse because the child internalizes that label.

One last thing...in case you are not aware, domestic abuse is not just physical. Types of abuse include physical, emotional, sexual, financial, stalking (both online and physical), reproductive coercion, and more. Most victims experience most or all from their abuser. The abuse is designed to break down the victim completely and make them 100% reliant on their abuser. So when people don't understand why the victim won't just leave, that is why. The abuser has made it pretty much impossible for the victim to leave, or to leave without severe consequences to them or to their loved ones.

Now, perhaps the wife is not a good person for other reasons. I do not know anything about the wife, her life, or what she has done to advance the good of society. But I know enough about domestic violence to know that this is not her fault, and she was a long-term victim of her husband and was trapped for a long time. Him being a rich, powerful man in the public eye certainly made it even more difficult. Thank God she finally got out, because it is not easy, and she has scars for sure. I do hope she is getting help to heal.

Edit: I guess they are still married. Oops. Well, I still hope she is healing and that she gets out some day.
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This could be it, but could it not also be possible that they're both POS's, have always been abusive towards each other, and are toxically enmeshed?

And she could likely take a yuge payday to leave his ***... she does have choices - unlike many nameless faces who are victims of domestic abuse who have noone and nothing to turn to.
 
Suhrthing said:
This could be it, but could it not also be possible that they're both POS's, have always been abusive towards each other, and are toxically enmeshed?

And she could likely take a yuge payday to leave his ***... she does have choices - unlike many nameless faces who are victims of domestic abuse who have noone and nothing to turn to.
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Did you read the entire post?

I addressed this.
 
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