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DAILY DEBATE: Who is the best tight end in Miami history?

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Dwinstitles said:
There was a video of him getting absolutely destroyed but I ain’t looking for that. Ok if I had to re word it I rather have Shockey blocking then KW with today’s defensive player types. So I would prefer JS
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There was also a video of him taking out two Tennessee players with one crushing block! Never seen that before or since
 
Individuals are too complex to be judged through the mode of all or nothing thinking. No one is ever 100% good or bad. As long as they were held accountable, we have to be able to make the distinction between the reprehensible acts they may have committed, & their positive contributions to society.

 
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NJshoreCane said:
1. Smith - Career 117/1,544/6, Sr. Season 66/852/5.
2. Winslow- Career 119/1,365/9, Sr. Season 57/726/8.
3. Shockey- Career 61/815/10, Sf. Season 40/519/7.

Smith, especially when you consider how the position has changed since the 80's.
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On production Brevin Jordan had over 1,300 career yards and 13 TD's. He made All ACC 2nd team as a freshman, 1st team as a sophmore, and 2nd team as a junior.

As a pure receiving TD he was top 4-5 all time at Miami, but he wasn't as good of a blocker as some of these mentioned.

Too young to remember Smith..

1.)Shockey
2.)Winslow Jr.
3.)Olson
4.) Franks
5.) Jordan
6.) Arroyo
7.) Walford
8.) Mallory
 
gacaneaddict said:
On production Brevin Jordan had over 1,300 career yards and 13 TD's. He made All ACC 2nd team as a freshman, 1st team as a sophmore, and 2nd team as a junior.

As a pure receiving TD he was top 4-5 all time at Miami, but he wasn't as good of a blocker as some of these mentioned.

Too young to remember Smith..

1.)Shockey
2.)Winslow Jr.
3.)Olson
4.) Franks
5.) Jordan
6.) Arroyo
7.) Walford
8.) Mallory
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I would put Graham on that list too.
 
gacaneaddict said:
On production Brevin Jordan had over 1,300 career yards and 13 TD's. He made All ACC 2nd team as a freshman, 1st team as a sophmore, and 2nd team as a junior.

As a pure receiving TD he was top 4-5 all time at Miami, but he wasn't as good of a blocker as some of these mentioned.

Too young to remember Smith..

1.)Shockey
2.)Winslow Jr.
3.)Olson
4.) Franks
5.) Jordan
6.) Arroyo
7.) Walford
8.) Mallory
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Like Winslow and Shockey, Willie Smith was a consensus All-American.
He was 4th in the nation in receptions and 16th in yardage among all receivers, not just tight ends.
That didn't happen in 1984.

Unbelievable when you think about it...that a guy like Jordan may be in anyone's top-5.
TE :neonu:
 
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I think Winslow did more with less. Shockey played on the greatest college football team of all time (Burrow/Chase LSU title team ranks 1B imo).

Olsen and Bubba got it done during the Butch limited scholarships era - ppl overlook how much that impacted the talent around you.

Nod has to go to Shockey though, but just a hair.
 
BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
Oh yeah? I would hold back those laugh tears and read this first....

www.si.com

You Never Knew Kellen Winslow Jr.

Ex-teammates and coaches tell appalling stories of sexual deviance, years before he was convicted of raping a 58-year-old homeless woman. The disturbing crimes and dark past of a former football star and son of football royalty.
www.si.com www.si.com

If you don't have the patience to read it all, scroll about 1/3 of the way down and you'll begin to see the stories.
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I knew about all the stories of the women and him getting caught in the parking lot, I have to be honest I didn’t know about watching *** in teams meeting, and getting off while his teammate is roomed up. So you’re right I shouldn’t have laughed so fast.
 
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Hurricane23 said:
I knew about all the stories of the women and him getting caught in the parking lot, I have to be honest I didn’t know about watching *** in teams meeting, and getting off while his teammate is roomed up. So you’re right I shouldn’t have laughed so fast.
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It's tough to put into words how I felt when I read that the first time. "Gross" doesn't even come close. Imagine being a rookie and you're told you're going to room with this dude, while hearing the other teammates laughing and whispering, only to later discover that your roomie is the King of the Goon Squad.

What makes it even more remarkable is that this dude was a borderline star and could've had plenty of women, plus his wife (now ex) is actually really pretty. He's in the Rashaun Jones wing of the anti-Cane HOF.
 
In College:
Kellen Winslow Jr.

Robbed of the MVP of the National Title Game. (Robbed himself of his life as well).

Completely took over WVU and was unstoppable all of 02-03.

Before Vernon Davis, was the most athletic TE ever drafted.
 
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