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DAILY DEBATE: Predict Cam Ward's NFL stats for 2025

grover said:
I knew these numbers looked familiar

Justin Herbert's 2020 Rookie season stats in 15 games were:
4336 yds
31 TDs
234 rushing yds
5 rushing tds
10 interceptions
(also had 32 sacks and 4 fumbles though none were lost)

It was that crazy Covid season, but was still a stunning ELITE performance. I know this is an insane expectation, but I think this is a good benchmark and I see Cam in the same ballpark across the board. Put me down for 4000+ yards, 30+ TDs and 30+ sacks. Doubt he runs with the ball that often but we'll see.
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Impossible.

Mario is a QB killer.
 
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cway313 said:
His 2-6 WR are well below league average and his number 1 is not a top 25 WR. The OL should be a strength so that will help.
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Calvin Ridley is a top 12 receiver lol he’ll show it again this year and Burks and Lockett bring an interesting duo if healthy to help him I watched my qb play with just Terry mclaurin and others and old tightend and ball I don’t think cam is that far off from jd just gotta have time to dissect I think his receivers will get open
 
mlw352 said:
Calvin Ridley is a top 12 receiver lol he’ll show it again this year and Burks and Lockett bring an interesting duo if healthy to help him I watched my qb play with just Terry mclaurin and others and old tightend and ball I don’t think cam is that far off from jd just gotta have time to dissect I think his receivers will get open
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I'm in the middle of both of you (large pause)....he's not Top 12 IMO but he's better than Top 25. I think he's probably in that ~15-18 range. Had over 1,000 yards last year with completely garbage QB play. Earning targets is a skill, and he got over 120 last year. He can get open.
 
Memnon said:
Why do you think Cam will throw that many INT's???
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Did you watch the cal game ?

But nah I think he knows the nfl won’t stand for that crazy backyard ball. I just hope they don’t neuter him. Reign it in but stay aggressive
 
305407cane said:
Did you watch the cal game ?

But nah I think he knows the nfl won’t stand for that crazy backyard ball. I just hope they don’t neuter him. Reign it in but stay aggressive
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The top 5 QB's in the league:

- Pat Mahomes
- Jalen Hurts
- Joe Burrow
- Lamar Jackson
- Josh Allen

Would anyone describe them as "safe" QB's?

Risk adverse QB play is a result of lack of ability, not "safe" or "smart" play.

The reason why those types of QB's check the ball down so much, is because they can't do anything else when their primary route is covered. They don't have the capability to extend plays with their feet, nor the arm talent to stretch the field with the Deep ball threading the needle into tight windows, so they take the easiest throw available because it's the only one they can complete when the play breaks down.

I know most of you didn't watch Mahomes at TTech, or Jordan Love at Utah ST, but they played the same type of style that Cam has played throughout his college career. In fact, Mahomes played even crazier/reckless than Cam ever has.

It's not a coincidence that certain types of QB's are excelling in the league. This ain't the 5-7 step drop days where QB's needed to spend 75% of the snaps not taking chances. In today's NFL, if you're a Captain Checkdown, your team better be loaded surrounded with talent, especially on Defense, otherwise, you're just going to help your team lose with moderate QB play.

Cam's risk taking combined with his arm talent, is the exact reason why he's going to be a successful QB in the league.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
This. @DTP, the Titans OL is pretty good. They signed Dan Moore in free agency to play LT, and he's not incredible but he's definitely solid. He's not going to be a turnstile there.

That allows them to move JC Latham to RT, who they took 7th overall in the 2024 draft. RT is his natural position, he should be very good there in Year 2 in the league.

Kevin Zietler came over from the Lions in the off-season, he's a 35 year old veteran who has played on some kick-*** OLs in his career in Detroit and Baltimore.

Lloyd Cushenberry is probably a Top 10 center in the league, and they have Peter Skoronski at the other guard position, another Top 15 pick in Year 3 who has been very good.

I expect their OL to be a strength. I understand usually with the #1 pick, the immediate concern is the OL. But the Titans problem, more than anything, is on defense. I think Cam will be protected well, Tony Pollard is a really underrated back, and they have Ridley, Van Jefferson, the corpse of Tyler Lockett, Treylon Burks if he can ever stay healthy, Chig is a decent TE. They're not elite on offense as far as weapons but Cam should be in a spot where he can play well. He's got enough around him to not have no chance like some other #1 picks have had.
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I hope so. I admittedly don’t know a ton about the Titan’s roster. I known Cam is capable of playing behind a leaky line, I just worry about him maybe playing a little too much hero ball while running for his life. I’d prefer his NFL career look closer to his Miami season than his WSU seasons.
 
Memnon said:
The top 5 QB's in the league:

- Pat Mahomes
- Jalen Hurts
- Joe Burrow
- Lamar Jackson
- Josh Allen

Would anyone describe them as "safe" QB's?

Risk adverse QB play is a result of lack of ability, not "safe" or "smart" play.

The reason why those types of QB's check the ball down so much, is because they can't do anything else when their primary route is covered. They don't have the capability to extend plays with their feet, nor the arm talent to stretch the field with the Deep ball threading the needle into tight windows, so they take the easiest throw available because it's the only one they can complete when the play breakdowns.

I know most of you didn't watch Mahomes at TTech, or Jordan Love at Utah ST, but they played the same type of style that Cam has played throughout his college career. In fact, Mahomes played even crazier/reckless than Cam ever has.

It's not a coincidence that certain types of QB's are excelling in the league. This ain't the 5-7 step drop days where QB's needed to spend 75% of the snaps not taking chances. In today's NFL, if you're a Captain Checkdown, your team better be loaded surrounded with talent, especially on Defense, otherwise, you're just going to help your team lose with moderate QB play.

Cam's risk taking combined with his arm talent, is the exact reason why he's going to be a successful QB in the league.
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I think we’re on the same page with different words. Cam is always going to be aggressive. Tight windows etc.
but that cross body across the field stuff is something he’s going to take some heat for early on. But he’s got the physical and mental abilities to excel. Guys a leader and winner. Probably takes coaching well also
 
mlw352 said:
Calvin Ridley is a top 12 receiver lol he’ll show it again this year and Burks and Lockett bring an interesting duo if healthy to help him I watched my qb play with just Terry mclaurin and others and old tightend and ball I don’t think cam is that far off from jd just gotta have time to dissect I think his receivers will get open
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
I'm in the middle of both of you (large pause)....he's not Top 12 IMO but he's better than Top 25. I think he's probably in that ~15-18 range. Had over 1,000 yards last year with completely garbage QB play. Earning targets is a skill, and he got over 120 last year. He can get open.
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Definitively better

Amon St Brown
Dj Moore
Jordan Jefferson
Devonta Smith
Aj Brown
Mike Evans
Chris Godwin
Jerry Jeudy
Puka Nacua
Davonte Adams
Malik Nabers
Terry Mcclaurin
Ceedee Lamb
Drake London
Garrett Wilson
Tyreek Hill
Jaylen Waddle
Jamarr Chase
Tee Higgins
Brian Thomas
Nico Collins
Zay Flowers
Jerry Jeudy
Dj Metcalf

He is at best in discussion around 25th, if you have an argument he is better than someone in this group

Jordan Addison
Ladd Mcconkey
Michael Pittman
Cortland Sutton
Calvin Ridley
 
cway313 said:
Definitively better

Amon St Brown
Dj Moore
Jordan Jefferson
Devonta Smith
Aj Brown
Mike Evans
Chris Godwin
Jerry Jeudy
Puka Nacua
Davonte Adams
Malik Nabers
Terry Mcclaurin
Ceedee Lamb
Drake London
Garrett Wilson
Tyreek Hill
Jaylen Waddle
Jamarr Chase
Tee Higgins
Brian Thomas
Nico Collins
Zay Flowers
Jerry Jeudy
Dj Metcalf

He is at best in discussion around 25th, if you have an argument he is better than someone in this group

Jordan Addison
Ladd Mcconkey
Michael Pittman
Cortland Sutton
Calvin Ridley
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He’s as good as any of those guys you mentioned above only issue was gambling and bad qb play he will show and prove as long as healthy this year he’s still elite
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
I'm in the middle of both of you (large pause)....he's not Top 12 IMO but he's better than Top 25. I think he's probably in that ~15-18 range. Had over 1,000 yards last year with completely garbage QB play. Earning targets is a skill, and he got over 120 last year. He can get open.
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One of the top 5 route runners in football bar none hands have always been elite quick agile and a grinder from everything we’ve ever heard about him gambling and bad qbs the only reason people don’t remember how elite he usually is but his peers acknowledge it
 
305407cane said:
I think we’re on the same page with different words. Cam is always going to be aggressive. Tight windows etc.
but that cross body across the field stuff is something he’s going to take some heat for early on. But he’s got the physical and mental abilities to excel. Guys a leader and winner. Probably takes coaching well also
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I doubt you will see much of that “cross body across the field stuff” in the NFL. Primarily because there wasn’t much of it in his year here and he is highly intelligent and knows he can’t float it in the NFL

He was so **** good that anything less than average jumped out and people go “see! I told you!” for plays that made up much less than 5% of his totals. People love to say “he better not…” stuff and point to that very small number of bad plays as if that was what defined him.
 
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Memnon said:
The top 5 QB's in the league:

- Pat Mahomes
- Jalen Hurts
- Joe Burrow
- Lamar Jackson
- Josh Allen

Would anyone describe them as "safe" QB's?

Risk adverse QB play is a result of lack of ability, not "safe" or "smart" play.

The reason why those types of QB's check the ball down so much, is because they can't do anything else when their primary route is covered. They don't have the capability to extend plays with their feet, nor the arm talent to stretch the field with the Deep ball threading the needle into tight windows, so they take the easiest throw available because it's the only one they can complete when the play breaks down.

I know most of you didn't watch Mahomes at TTech, or Jordan Love at Utah ST, but they played the same type of style that Cam has played throughout his college career. In fact, Mahomes played even crazier/reckless than Cam ever has.

It's not a coincidence that certain types of QB's are excelling in the league. This ain't the 5-7 step drop days where QB's needed to spend 75% of the snaps not taking chances. In today's NFL, if you're a Captain Checkdown, your team better be loaded surrounded with talent, especially on Defense, otherwise, you're just going to help your team lose with moderate QB play.

Cam's risk taking combined with his arm talent, is the exact reason why he's going to be a successful QB in the league.
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I’ll almost entirely agree with what you just wrote. But Jalen Hurts? Nah
 
mlw352 said:
Calvin Ridley is a top 12 receiver lol he’ll show it again this year and Burks and Lockett bring an interesting duo if healthy to help him I watched my qb play with just Terry mclaurin and others and old tightend and ball I don’t think cam is that far off from jd just gotta have time to dissect I think his receivers will get open
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
I'm in the middle of both of you (large pause)....he's not Top 12 IMO but he's better than Top 25. I think he's probably in that ~15-18 range. Had over 1,000 yards last year with completely garbage QB play. Earning targets is a skill, and he got over 120 last year. He can get open.
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Lol.
 
mirvin88 said:
4,200
28/7
2 rushing
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Just looking at that roster, you had to know he was going to look bad. You can’t overhaul it with one guy. No idea if they build around him or let him fail then trade him.
 
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